to come out to. a close betrayal. when so many. choose to look for common ground. the u.s. intel community and the political establishment challenge transform policy is this a good or bad thing also forced regime change in venezuela continues apace. time after time say we're going underground on the anniversary of the one thousand nine hundred two venezuelan could attempt that would lead to the imprisoning of revolutionary leader as coming up on the show the antidote to mainstream

noisemakers award winning comedian jimmy door tells us why we shouldn't trust the liberal politicians that call for coups intervention and privatization and good direct public participation rates discredited local politics in britain plus name shame in jail weeks after his colleague was shot and killed we speak to west africa's most notorious investigative journalist and us about the life or death risks of speaking truth to power told us of all coming up in today's going on the ground before us what exactly is going on at the british foreign office first jeremy hunt's department was exposed in a conspiracy involving mainstream media journalists and think tanks to subvert the public's understanding of the world through something called the integrity initiative then the man he said to do is arguable dirty work at the u.n. security council against venezuela came back from new york and tweeted this fabulous breakfast with the legendary dr henry kissinger possibly the greatest us secretary of state he is wisdom personified hoop i can be

a sprightly age ninety five he really is quite something really quite something this is what one of the greatest investigative journalists of all time seymour hersh says about kissinger is the man who basically of latin america is viewed as the guy who brought down a end. on a.n.d.'s crime in their eyes is basically it was not as political marxism or socialism but the fact that they viewed us as being upset about the fact that. he was elected by the people a socialist was elected hersh is referring to kissinger's role in the bringing to power factor back to data august of pinochet in chile after the death of salvatore endevor because kissinger did so much more if you think of the things he's been found out something done. lying about. lying about achieving bangladesh east timor the deaths of so many people needlessly for the value of himself and his criminal president interestingly foreign minister alan duncan didn't reply to us when we tweeted that him to ask whether is account has been hacked surely no twenty

first century politician could promote the so-called wisdom of a man who stands accused of helping to slaughter millions of people then again the liberal media routinely whitewash his nature nation's laws are unlike our next guest who champions freedom of speech and has no time for lies jimmy door host of the jimmy doors show who entertains and informs millions around the world joins me now via skype from pasadena in california jim thanks so much for coming on the show you got to tell me what the significance of today's metaphors hearing in washington is the guardian here in london continues to stand by what appears to stand by a story that trumps a former campaign boss came to london to talk to julia songe currently under arbitron attention here yeah well the guardian has been doing some fantastic work on this story fantastic being i mean fantastic fantasy's because the most surveilled building in the world has got to be that ecuadorian embassy and somehow that guardian has a story that you can afford visited julius times three times even knew what he was wearing but there is a picture of it nobody has

a picture of the boat surveilled building in the world when metaphor at this huge thing that is going to blow the roof off this case he goes and visits it three times there's no pictures of it and i don't know if you know so that was written by luke harding who also wrote a book called. luzhin except there's no evidence of collusion and when he was interviewed by aaron let's say of the real duis and he was asked to provide evidence of collusion and his book was a title he couldn't do it in fact he left the interview so that's the kind of level of reporting that the guardian is doing right now they're just they're repeating cia lies they're repeating intelligence community lies they're pushing propaganda they're not doing journalism and that's why i have a show because i can tell people the truth about that bogus meeting up man afford and julian a science because i don't have i don't i'm not beholden to anybody i don't have corporate sponsors and i certainly don't parrot what the government tells me to when there are corporate sponsors you've commented on your show about

a certain network and pro hillary clinton official and d.n.c. network all n.b.c. apparently boeing sponsors a show on that network what do you think that does to its journalism what do you think it does there journalism they pushed every war in my life time that they've said they've been on the air in fact with the iraq war or one of their journalists on air host phil donahue was pushing back against the government's narrative of the iraq war back in two thousand and two and guess what they fired him m.s.n. b.c. fired phil donahue for telling the truth about the iraq war and pushing back against them so the government's narrative they fired him because he got the wrong war right and a memo was then released years later that revealed why they fired him and it was because they feared someone being against the war would tarnish their brand and so they are pushing the war so they push every war m.s.n. b.c. and they in fact they're there and b c's flagship news show meet the press has ike

a fact checking segment and it's sponsored by boeing that's literally so they don't see a problem with that m.s.n. b.c. we also want even they wouldn't even let their hosts cover bernie sanders because he was progressive and in fact ed schultz. get fired for covering bernie sanders now they so that what does that tell you that tells you that all the people on the air at m.s.n. b.c. go along with war propaganda when told to and don't cover progressive politicians when ordered to every one of those host goes along with the edicts from the top of the corporation comcast telling them what they can talk about and how they can talk about what they can talk about they're all puppets and they're bought and you know how much someone like chris hayes or rachel maddow bakes they make thirty thousand dollars a day day and that's a lot of money and that buys your integrity and they've been there you know it i'll just watch the shows it's unbelievable it's two hours of conspiracy theory and then

it's followed up by some we should overthrow got another sovereign government it's just cia talking points in fact they hire people right from the cia to be there are news analysts that's the opposite of journalism that propaganda yeah had shill to cause the native shills then went on to join this network i'm sure those anchors would deny that there were money has anything to do with the way they're not covering yemen for instance let's go back to rachel maddow then of m s n b c i know you having a cold snap in some states in the us she said just reporting the weather that what would happen in fargo if putin the russian basically switched off the power because of the cold in the kota i mean we've just described to me the kind of and the russians stuff is it like to have a days of arthur miller in the crucible. it's worse what's happening in the united states it's worse what's happening right now because it's being pushed ubiquitously right so it's not it was before the first red scare that happened in the united

states you know that came from the right well the left is now pushing a red scare because they don't want to own up to the fact that neal liberalism failed at the ballot box in twenty sixteen people ninety million people didn't come out to vote in that election in two thousand and sixteen and hillary clinton of the biggest most well funded most powerful political machine in the history of the united states lost the election to a political novice game show host who everyone referred to as a joke and a clown donald trump he beat the most powerful well moneyed political machine in the history of the united states so that's what's happening here. they don't want to look at that and so bill this is what rachel maddow has developed it is she's devolved to is to now she's like you have to speculating her whole show is speculation by the way i actually watched her show last week for an hour it's not it's it's well if this happened then maybe that will happen well if russia wanted to control the power grid you know there's

a story still up in the washington post that says that russia hacked the vermont's power grid even though they didn't and even though there's an editor's note at the bottom of the article saying this story didn't really happen but they leave the story up so this is the kind of crazy red scare that's happening in the united states a rhodes scholar who hosts or own t.v. show gets paid thirty thousand dollars a day to speculate on wild conspiracy theories about whether russia controls our power grid in the united states and that's called news that's not on you tube in some corner some crazy alex jones type that's m.s.n. b c owned by comcast sponsored by the bill terry industrial complex and wall street and a thirty thousand dollar a day host rachel maddow spewing unbelievable psychotic. this gets parasitic theories about russia controlling our power grid that's what the news media does in the united states and they call alex jones crazy in fairness i mean not that many

people watch him as n.b.c. we will try and get ready to him out of comment on the even more alarming perhaps of what you have been commenting about the fact that the d.n.c. appears to be some kind of military junta in waiting you've been covering the out of one hundred two competitive democrat primaries in twenty eighteen forty four involved primaries with d.n.c. candidates were either involved the military intelligence or had state department backgrounds yet it's it's not a good look right so and but by the way that's not really news in the united states i covered it on my show. there are maybe a handful of other people that i don't have covered really but maybe one or two other places that it's an unbelievable amount of intelligence community people who are running and i'm democratic primary just like you said it's our governments and our intelligence community and our corporate news which are the biggest purveyors of fake news death and destruction because they've never pushed back against one of our foreign wars and they're pushing right now for

a coup wouldn't bet us way less democratically elected i don't know about you but when i saw that unelected guy give a speech in front of a group of a whole group of people and then he swore him self in as president of venezuela i shed a tear for the debt watching democracy take place oh yeah but the and as you say the d.n.c. is supporting that coup so is the european union so is the british minority government here a lot of criticism over here of arguably of the same and they did b.b.c. coverage how is the coverage on network news away from the cable channels of what looks like a regime change by your president in venezuela. it's a it's horrible it's the opposite of the reality of what's happening they don't tell you any of the background information of how many. got into an economic crisis they just tell you that socialism the way venezuela got in that economic crisis is that saudi arabia decided to overproduce of oil so they would drive down the price

because venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world more than saudi arabia so we got to get after their economy so they overproduce oil drive down the price of oil in twenty dollars a barrel the united states put sanctions on venezuela economic sanctions which really crippled their country that's what's really crippling their country for instance now this way they can even take out a loan to finance their oil production because it's illegal to do that because the united states has made it that way so that we're doing everything we can the same sins are to help people or bring democracy to venezuela the sentients are there to bring a country to its knees so the united states can then have a coup and then the united states corporations can then go ahead and reap the natural resources of then a swale of witches or oil that's already been admitted to by john bull so how is it being covered in the united states horribly the opposite of what's actually happening to your thank you. thank you my pleasure after the break ever feel like all you do is fill out forms we investigate whether it's all part of a cunning plan to rubber stamp austerity and the journalist world famous for red.

football we speak join us coming up in part two of going underground. this is from a water bottle found in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers they're the bad ones they're the litter bugs are trying to sway industry should be blamed for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic. on. the mountains of waste only grow higher.

welcome back in part one we had for jimmy door about the illusion of democracy but batu aided by the ruling class how do we make democracy more responsive to those not born into privilege not through an endless filling out of forms but through actual citizen participation well joining me now is a professor of citizen participation to berrisford from the university of essex peter welcome going underground your chair is in citizen participation well what is it was it such a critical subject to understand the current malays arguably in the u.k. civic society it sounds a bit like a fancy word but what it's really about is that all of us should have a real say in our lives in what happens to us. and if we need help particular if we need help in the services in the policies that we might need to do now one thing governments since tony blair maybe arguably have been saying is that the vulnerable

are being heard because more and more questionnaires a going out more and more dates here is being received from the most vulnerable and says that the authorities know more and more about what is going on them. most marginal communities it's really interesting the way that of course language is always a problem for us in this kind of field but we are used to ideas of involvement where i are used to those sort of ideas most in the commercial setting market research surveys to find out our opinions because when we buy something at a shop and they ask us our opinions we don't actually expect that's going to result in that shop changing its hope policy the thing about involvement in participation if we're talking more political policy terms is it's a chance for us to put our already as citizens even as non-citizens to shape the world the political the social world that we live in to have a real impact on government what's happened with government and it's been

a great achievement over the years that there was still got a while to go is the progress that's been made on representative involvement but what i think the challenge and the exciting aspiration of citizen participation is that it's more than just being represented it's having a direct voice a real direct voice yourself in issues that directly affect you ok but we have those forms we have local government we vote for local representatives alone national representatives in westminster so what do you reinventing parliamentary democracy is only valid if only that were true probably twenty to thirty percent of people actually vote best in local elections there are concerns that local government is getting further and further away from people it's difficult. truthfully to say that it does speak for all people in communities because it's very much shaped by party line now local service is a contract it out to privatized contract as and they would presumably say that they

drag get input into how well their handling what used to be about a civic life under democratic control using data from. from the people that they serve is that the kind of thing that you're looking at it's the kind of thing i've been looking at but it's not the kind of thing that's offering very many answers and if we look at one of the key areas of local authority responsibility social care which of course is largely provided by the kinds of private organizations you're talking about actually it's the policy in most disarray domestically in the u.k. where from government ministers right through to local people people on the receiving end there are absolute concerns about the crisis of social care so if that system as you just briefly described it is sadly an example of real failure we know that peer fi the private finance initiative has cost well we know it's cost

billions and billions and billions some suggest hundreds of billions others have lower estimates but it's cost an unbelievable amount of money this is a private public partnership that's right really super charged under tony blair that that's right and gordon brown and never it never gets mentioned when we hear about the financial difficulties of the n.h.s. . all sorts of issues are raised should there be more tax paid should we cut back some of the services should people pay more for it directly but hanging over is this legacy which you've just identified of debt which was created by moving to privatization and its capitalization i wouldn't want this to be an attack on the private sector let me say that i've spoken with service users who've received services from the chargeable sector the state sector and the private sector all of them sometimes fall short and all of them sometimes of good quality so it is more complicated than just saying which sector that's the point of the argument for

citizen participation we need to strengthen people say in services and policies who ever is providing them so it's about democratization and obviously outside of local government which is a is kind of broken not necessarily outside of local government i think local government needs to have a very fundamental review for two reasons that more and more of the financial burden of local communities has been placed by central government on local authorities which is really difficult to sustain in poor neighborhoods that's the first thing they've also been considered a the austerity in the past summer a serious amount of the budget came from the center the tradition from mrs that sharon is to reduce the contribution from the center so it becomes more unfair for people who haven't got much money it's not just about local authorities are restricted in what they are and aren't allowed to do the amount of debt they're

allowed to get into and so on and so forth one of the things that i find most frightening and worrying about for ordinary people as citizens with their health needs is the death of the high street because the high street somewhere where we get together where we do things together where we are able to be social animals but if you look at it the death of the high street has a lot to do with the way that our taxation system hasn't kept pace with our. different ways of doing living and making profits and we know therefore that little corner shops will be paying some considerable amount of council tax whereas very large international companies operating on the internet will not we need to up update our thinking and i think we do that very well if we spoke not just about social policy issues but economic ones toward many people we didn't say to them oh give me your economic theory for this we said to them how's it working out where you live and if you leave the confines of the south where we are today london and

you go to some of the northern cities whatever you see happening here in terms of disadvantage and homelessness you see magnified many times professor peter berrisford thank you well away from conservative all separately policy last week when already government leader tourism a reaffirmed our support for a free press that's why in twenty ninety replacing our resources behind the calls of media freedom we're helping to train journalists around the world such as in venezuela where we see the whole forest area and government suppress its critics the statement raised some eyebrows not only from those who have witnessed terror attacks on the free press but also from those who have been following the arbitrary detention of julian assange so as being a journalist more dangerous now than ever before joining me now is celebrated gunny an undercover reporter whose colleague was killed just weeks ago after the conclusion of a high profile investigation his face is covered to protect his identity and us welcome to going underground just before we get into anything else tell me about your colleague ahmed hussein's whether. it was

a proper journalist he. is someone i would always say. he was very measured in thoughts whenever he came to way you need a certain level of discipline that comes with that kind of job we do a maid had their composure he thinks deep and he. as a team player and them i say we really missing. who killed him. two men on a motorbike. followed him shot him twice in the hat and one in his neck we still can't tell from. and i'm hoping that the state security agencies who are currently investigating this matter would come out with some good results. your production company we work with him do a lot of anticorruption journalism is it as it were so it could be all those to

different people not just the most famous investigation you did which is on corruption and going into a pool. yeah we've done a lot but there isn't a story that comes to mind will be dead judge a story a film where we exposed thirty four judges and over one hundred judicial staff and then there one that really gave us a lot of rights would be the football story where we exposed again or via hundred referees and football people and. of course the people where we didn't feel. and there dan a football association that also came with a lot of threats on the football story why do you think there was so much interest in that we're more interested in the world then there was in the judicial appointment story and corruption with we go into this you have noise because a lot of football players on leslie before the. revelations on their football

i was like ok why don't we just throw it and then we do a much bigger story later i didn't know about. football and i didn't know that it was going to get even. for ever freed they had to be removed to come home i didn't know that the confrontation of african football was going to suck all of them i didn't know that the football association of ghana as the ghana was going to be dissolved and it was going to be reforms i didn't know that over fifty two referees from day again i refer to well going to be sacked you think there was more excitement over the football story because one of the referees is a world cup referee going to russia for the world cup certainly in this country there was a fair amount of anti russian feeling the british government here told english friends not to go and so on that while you were exposing corruption in your

gender's it could be used by one state or another in geopolitical activity i think it's very no lawful politicians to attain their own journalism depending on which side effects well the forces against the leadership go on as it pivots arguably to china or another brics countries a pretty strong journalists presumably going to have to use techniques that you've been arguably pioneering in going to tell me about say. i suppose the most infamous undercover technique you use as a journalist to get the truth entrapment. well. undercover journalism ortiz also known as some stuff you janet has would always remain the last resort of every propaganda cover identity also to keep it in we look at it before we go undercover is to look at the public interest so before i picked my hidden camera to come in filming i would have satisfied myself that i've gained

a pram a fuzzy evidence and this is all contained in the b.b.c. of court rules it's also clear that some people want to attack. and that covered journalism and the issues that they come up with is on top of it and is very different from journalism they are not the same and if you look at my way over the years those who have pretty good and have yelled and troponin whenever they've been to cardiff last there's a vast difference between being trapped by a journalist and being being filmed and of have lost corresponding call it out could have been syria channels like this one press t.v. the iranian channel has been under attack in the united states the detention of one of the presenters what threats do you currently face and which is the reason why of course you have to wear what you're wearing to be fair ghana has been a fairly stable country when it comes to have press freedom saw for me it's

a wake up call that it doesn't matter how famine is strong but that you're democracies like you have given examples from many had the countries and i talk on behalf of my head of policing that african countries that sometimes you look at the system when you think that everybody smiling but why is that comes out and it affects the bad guys they're going to come get you because we're not far here from where julian sun she is stranded in the embassy in knightsbridge in west london is a case of what happens to people who try to expose the expose the truth nowadays and really in the future if you're going to do some more of this undercover journalism they're going to be moved frightened i don't think so we don't quit we don't surrender. we get there right signal that we had to endure i think that's why people want to come after us and here i say that on behalf of all my colleagues on

the african continent. we will persevere we know day is not going to come easy we also know that it doesn't matter what you are reporting on if they're bad gays deciding to come after you here well we have a choice to make that we leave society to get into chaos or we fight if we refuse to fight was there it or not forgive us because look i'm it is not a fast person who has laid down his life. to. shining lights on site before that. happens i've done local film will know better ok now fassel. and all these great janet have blazed the trail. to continue to struggle and like i said and yeah we will. keep pushing on that front as a five democrats and us thank you for the show keep in touch via social media we'll

be back on wednesday with seven seventeen's mountain where you. stand and hear from us and. move along what has. a good armor on mars rover and our brother across iraq before for america isn't that. the only. question then you can keep and. i didn't lose a child for all that it. was.

good for its whole food place choice the i knew you didn't pay i think time in theory has said larry pretty sure. there were some model for that in africa will fuck around with mr hate for jim and then i hope that our fairly mature course. wrong fritos plans for a joint statement to recognize one is the new president of venezuela the rejection was confirmed by a source inside italy's ruling coalition in the meantime. actually it's something that's on the.