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a low and why. welcome to crossfire all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the u.s. intel community in the political establishment challenge trumps foreign policy is this a good or bad thing also forced regime change in venezuela continues apace. crosstalk in some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor all of which he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri babied she's a political analyst we spoke meek international our german cross-talk rules in

effect that means you can jump in anytime you let me just kind of introduce this program here looking at the front page some of the headlines from antiwar dot com trump insists on afghanistan withdrawal senate votes to stay in syria afghanistan pentagon continues to resist syria pull out kurdish lobby struggles to slow u.s. pullout from syria victor we've had the imperial presidency for decades now and it's a product of the cold. but you know through time the president has been given prerogatives privileges and without much oversight now we see the complete reverse we're sensually denying donald trump as president of the united states to have a foreign policy on this program we've just discussed the pros and cons of his foreign policy but now he doesn't even look like he's going he's being denied it in very forcefully including his own party moreover this is very symptomatic of what

the loyalties and disloyalty is both in the u.s. congress and the u.s. intelligence community and the pentagon and this is a taste of things to come when that attempt to move to actually happen it is likely to happen after the final report after miller's. and the report comes out and people see the same forces the same political forces that they're now trying to impede to use foreign policy agenda come out against him in force. to try to remove him from his so i really have to make it very clear they're not impeding him having a coup d'etat openly in venezuela is way way off course ok in a market i think you all saw the american conservative an article trump is right the intelligence community needs to go back to school and let me read a quick paragraph of it because i think it's brilliant here the current crop of national intelligence chiefs are cut from the same cloth as their predecessors they are careerists who have risen to the top not through their analytical or

operational talents but through their willingness to conform to a system that is designed not to challenge conventional thinking. yeah i mean with that that's obviously true it's been true for several administrations now going at least back to the george w. bush administration probably i think we can take it even further back all the way to reagan and so on but i mean jeanne a house full of a hands on torture is now director of the cia so much for accountability. clapper and brennan during the obama era of both lied under oath to congress and the to the house and the senate to run the risk terminus well there were no more cash and no repercussions for them so and you know the same people have been elevated in the trump administration to these positions house bill is just one example at the cia and pompei o becoming secretary of state dan coats they're all ripped from from the

same page a lot of them have prior military experience and experience within what i think we ben rhodes called the blob and he identified the blob during the obama administration as the the both the commentary it and the appointed bureaucracy the city is today if you will that is unelected and that formulates us foreign policy and has repeatedly formulated a policy of a gemini and regime change that has failed again and again and again so mr ideology do so in three only a. week as it has nothing to do with political parties well i mean coming back to that conventional wisdom what does it mean conventional wisdom and it's been blunt conventional means we've had it means war then they want to make sure war happens always very possible i mean mr trump believes that i and there treaty initiated there were some protests inside the united states in the european union then they

realized that it was actually brilliant that will close or so suddenly all of the foreign ministers over the e.u. come out with a state. as a very rapid change for doing all the blame on russia saying that it was the russia who breached that treaty or so they are i'm quoting in complete agreement with the united states basically all in medium range missile star get europe from both sides. talking about ideology you know a lot of people said always so just about money if russia had the same stakeholders from the united states china things would be so much about well china indeed bought one point two trillion dollars walked off american securities he didn't prevent the trade war and they didn't prove that it didn't just community that we're talking about now this is intelligence community is all been the target in china they're talking of bob in china they're talking about limiting china's military ability has

its roots in july you know what we don't we're talking about here was this the briefing that was given to congress worldwide threat assessment report here and the media made a big trump made a big deal out of it after he saw my support i suppose he saw the hearings and that he went on some kind of a twitter read you know that's what we got you know go back to school phrase then he meets them and then he says we're on the same page another nine hundred all ok he lost face and that look there are several very serious problems that this rift between the intelligence the open rift between tampa and the intelligence community exposes first of all we saw an example in the lead up to the iraq war of how the intelligence community essentially makes up analysis that the leadership question. seriously simply says what's necessary even though the evidence isn't really there today we see another very serious example of a fact a democracy

a direct threat to democracy where the intelligence community is not loyal to the commander in chief not loyal to the president and decides to promote its own agenda against the will and. the viewpoint of the president now we have seen i wouldn't want. any member. but a month into a presidency and chuck schumer came out and said that the president you watch if somebody picks a fight you say to pick a fight with the intelligence community you they have a way of getting back at that person and there was an example with the democrats senator in the ninety's there. was a congressman actually he exposed u.s. army intelligence at all in killing some guatemalan citizens during the civil war there what happened after that the cia did everything possible to malign him to malign him never again that torie cheli come out with any serious criticism of the u.s. intelligence community and this is a this is a whole the ones that the cook the books as it were for the illegal invasion of two

thousand and three they're still around exactly it is exactly you know you begin in the state exactly and so this chap schumer is warning it's coming to bear right now and it's coming to bear against him is this is this political. is this a way to undermine him because look it is what he said with the mayor here i mean these are people that have made it up through the ranks to different administrations different political parties here i mean is this sending a signal that the you really have to get our permission to go down these paths when it comes to iran when it comes to venezuela when it comes to russia they comes to china sure i think a lot of it is knee jerk partisan issue but if you take a liberal interventionist and a neo con they're simply flip sides of the same coin and i have a hard time telling whether it's the blob the intelligence community in congress that are lying more about foreign policy or the trumping ministration at this point let's toss up a score card or so we know that trump is in favor of pulling troops out at least

rhetorically from syria and afghanistan and the blob in the congress or in favor of a permanent war the. keeping there in iran right now at least rhetorically the intelligence community and congress are bucking the trump administration by insisting that iran is holding to the terms of the joint comprehensive plan of action because of the obama era legacy but is that the political day to buy if the trumpet ministration continues on its path to saying should and drive for regime change in iran i don't think that that opposition will hold up because we've already seen the democrats in congress support sanctions venezuela though venezuela is is is where we've all the neo cons of liberal interventionists democrats republicans community in the media have all found common cause there is regime change we can all agree but this is

what i've been saying to him and the empire is the glue that keeps it all together because it doesn't matter where you are in the political spectrum as long as you buy in to the ideology of empire and permanent war that's what keeps the parameter is that i mean you can disagree about the wall but you don't disagree on empire it's absolutely true and again you cannot explain it by mining interests it's really it's i do or would you know the whole wall chilled listen to the united states and the european union on which kind of lead us it should have and mr monk wrong is demanding you know every signal nation over my dual role because people sprawled tests when he is doing that when he is facing his own problems and maybe you know we should we must or we should start a movement to recognize the this is the most interesting thing is he is dead wrong now is saying that he is also a yellow best just get me quote him even being a jail will last not do it i mean it just means pushing for a higher pay and for

a more efficient bottom and then i only a little bit i am sorry for himself so i pray for him so that the problem is that these people you know. when dictators when ultra right. in brazil is useful suddenly you have democrat support and bolton are all if someone who appears to be from the left you know why go exposing there someone who is not for the regional then they support a seemingly leftist candidate that will talk about it is when the second what do you bet gentlemen before we go to the break. the coup being. constructed in directed at venezuela if it goes south. frump will be blamed right of course trumpet people aim to be a major u.s. foreign policy fear that they'll be here legal here's the doorstep but unfortunately the u.s. intelligence community seems to have prepared pretty well for their circle and it

seems so far again unfortunately it seems to be going their way hold that thought because that's exactly what we're going to talk about when we return after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay largely. alone. just almost. no. actually i know right. now. there's a number you know not. the way of all of them ok if the ball was not going to

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we're discussing some real news. ok mark if i go back to that. page from anti-war telecom there's another headline here and this will go here bolton dot dot intervention against venezuela not imminent ok how is the coup going is it on schedule well bolton has has laid out the u.s. russia now in a pretty i think commendable on s.t. was a good beer around although now that you know it will make a big difference to the u.s. economically if we could have american oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities and we're going to stay with very direct very out and he went on to say this was in an interview with fox news he's in a conversation with major oil companies and they're all basically getting ready to run venezuela's energy resources the us puppet calls and guido

the us puppet president in venezuela has already said his plan to revive the venezuelan country and the economy is to privatized off the state oil company which of course would mean handing all of it over primarily to us is going to be that easy victory it's not going to be that fast it's a creeping cooling it will keep for quite a long time and it's still a long way to go but the problem is the united states and its allies its partners in the region and outside in europe for example in the u.k. they have been trying to cut off all the instruments economic instruments stepmother one of the legitimate government of venezuela. who would be able to use to improve or change the economic situation the country's so there and we had massive economic sanction it's against israel that are getting harsher and harsher with essentially every week and sometimes even several times a week there are gold as it was of have now been explicated expropriated

confiscated by the british central bank the bank of britain there are a number of other steps that have been taken and so the danger for for my daughter that they enter for the government in caracas is that the economic situation will get worse and worse and worse and there is nothing they can there is nothing they can say to the people of venezuela to to make them to give them hope that the situation will improve eventually because if it only gets worse then where is the hope that it will get but they will go down from so in the end that will really. negatively impact the future of the game plan is the worse the better example for human well i think that the united states and that you want one mistake that this is what a lot of us have seen they went too fast i mean the decision to recognize why go s. they're legitimate president of israel. who i know i know about the i

believe that we've lost that big monster course so there just isn't do recognize why those that didn't president came from fifty countries now and the e.u. all gave my door just to hold an election it's physically technically impossible so all the hardship that people will and you are now even as well it can be blamed on the on for intervention right simply because they went too far it's not it's heed these to call an election within six to eight to twelve months but that still is an illegal and absolutely legal to meet i agree about what is important now i think what is important will the duro try to compromise that it's. right because it's look he's been saying the. b. talks you should be diluted by its only one sign the talks about dialogue which doesn't get reported in western. russia is also suggested a dialogue i don't want at all i don't want to go either of those because the americans and the europeans they don't want they need them because they simply want

they didn't move and i don't think it's always and that's not that there are two sides of what's happening right now the economic and the covert and i think the economist the. new weekly news magazine of the british establishment i think again commendable honesty tweeted out with an article john doe why go and donald trump are betting that sanctions will talk the regime before they starve the venezuelan people already that that lays out you know that he is right there but right now the covert side of it while the sanctions are going on the cia is doing exactly what they did so well in iraq in libya they are trying to suborn but i often blackmail threaten every venezuelan military officer national guard officer police chief politician bureaucrat and so so far what we know is they've had only a small success as we have an air force general the u.s.

the venezuelan military envoy to the u.s. and i believe the venezuelan ambassador to iraq have defected to the us puppet guido but we don't know how many more are coming behind the scenes because the bulk of that will announce it once when they may go for the final big regime change push and this is why the u.s. didn't really have to fight in iraq or in libya at the end in tripoli because the military the police just stood down and this is what they're going to try to do here as well we'll see if it works i would like to know that you did you a political entity here because there's a lot of there's a lot of commentary in there and by the commentary that this is. a mouse. moved to push the route of the russians and the chinese out not only of venezuela but of the whole atmosphere because we do know that nicaragua is being targeted in cuba again. basically making no. outreach to cuba the wall street journal had

line us poor fish to alst venezuela's dural marks just the first step in a plan to reshape let no man is not a first step toward good insects a lot of it will be good and we'll get it and history will tell us which they're going to sort of look at that you actually read because look at argentina who is much more pro-american than his predecessors than. in brazil completely pro american president. and that is also what they do whether we actually seeing we've seen that in each late in american country the u.s. is using those instruments and those mechanisms they're most effective to do to get it's to get the government that they want installed used so in argentina in brazil they were able to use of loose political making nations or various political schemes to get their kid to that stage you and that worked so

that worked in venezuela they were not they were unable to use different kinds at the time for years they started to get it to use different political making these it didn't work so now they're going for full fledged cool which is what you're seeing to the well talking about geopolitics gallup conducted the poor and americans just like that all of the wall dolls all who want to trade it and several countries in several countries china first before doing that states in the country us like. ecuador business well of course so it's not so easy to change that that has been going that way for for quite a few years now on the united states that may be a little bit optimistic i think. every time they make more and more mistake these changes the problem now is that they didn't find someone from inside that rule in the lead they didn't find another step who would change moderate they found someone and nobody until two months ago was

a nobody for the huge majority of them in israel and you know this is actually the last of them we're going to just to go to seattle weekly he knows every reason to do this but why they walk more and more crudely because why did they manage to get to top of the water bitch in it looks like they found someone who was acceptable because doing so was acceptable for the nationalists and for the liberals way to wrong they forgot about bush doing so they threw him out but he was useful at the moment not all the regime changes are walking in their cruder in kuwait and then we fail this time just like they failed with us or with us so their problem was that the un such force against him which were unacceptable for the syrian people and for the syrian elite you know these people they syrian it will not physicalists and wife are these witnesses. were the only change the balance of forces in syria was the intervention by russia and iran which gave the way i think he definitely that is and i want to go to that because that's not going to happen in the us savages

with you that's the big difference russia and china both of made significant investments in the venezuelan economy and iran has also started to make investments in the region that's why in this wall street journal piece i mentioned they're targeting now venezuela nicaragua and cuba and the express intent is a monro doctor in a rehash of driving russian and chinese and iranian influence out of the region meaning they're not allowed to do business here at least not on except under our terms so but it's simply too far and russia and china do not have the military power projection capabilities to put military force in any way i mean syria. is the very geopolitical sublimation interests and and tried as much as of they have invested are not ready to engage in a firefight not for venezuela despite the world's largest proven oil reserves three hundred billion barrels being on the line. let me say if you want some in defense

of mockery because when low rates of market want the election everyone expected him to throw old continues to broadcast he did not cancel all the contracts so there are still differences there are still differences but if hopes to achieve a compromise with the united states or with the u. he's wrong he's decision to hold only part of entry elections if this is just to remove their google parliament that they have now completely a pro us there and it's the right decision if he in this way if he hopes to get these the united states and the e.u. he won't it be that you know little or no because that's humane and that's what makes it really critical here because no matter what the current government does it will not be acceptable and all exactly the it will want to do that the city of washington in london in the other western capitals that the government is has to go to the test to go and unless something extraordinary happens to break their plan

like it's happened in syria the view is not going to change a venezuelan version of signing a january twenty first agreement as the end of the did would be the i mean it would be you know the stupidest move possible obviously what the u.s. has planned for venezuela is just like what it had planned for ukraine in two thousand and fourteen or if you go back to chile. in one thousand nine hundred ninety three with the cia push to push pinochet in the power which is by the way if you look at the news headlines nearly identical to what is happening right now but it's not just removing one person. like in ukraine like in chile nine hundred seventy three they need to level off the entire political field from a leftist socialist or you have opposite are not going to go to retirement homes mark with and that's why it's could be the potential for violence it doesn't mean

ice is very high but we saw it in ukraine where the opposition was simply band love straighted or suicide and that's what all of the comments all the time we have here gentlemen many thanks to my guests in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember. these balls to go to the one following germany if you are there gun crews decide to move ahead. with. bacon to gather you betty for example and they. would be for a level that kind of integration that's the ball symbol so it does appear in ball

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