for. the u.s. intel community and the political establishment challenge trumps foreign policy is this a good or bad thing also forced regime change in venezuela continues apace. rome vetoes plans for joining the e.u. statement to recognize one kwaito is the new president of venezuela they were to action was confirmed by a source inside italy's ruling coalition meanwhile. certainly it's something that's on the store stop trying to hold it right that you're making mistakes that will

leave your hands covered in blood and you will leave the president's stained with blood. donald trump again stresses this sending troops to venezuela to support the opposition leader is still alive option venezuela's president nicolas maduro warns of deadly consequences. the pentagon claims that i saw will resurface in the middle east if the u.s. leaves marking a contrast with president trying to assure and says that the terror group has been absolutely obliterated. sweden off the security officers remove the heavily pregnant black woman without a valid ticket almost subway train. for the latest on these stories you can head to our website. stay with us for cross talk discussing the crisis in venezuela and if you're watching in the u.k. political talks a renegade is next. hello

and welcome to crossfire after all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the u.s. intel community in the political establishment challenge trumps foreign policy is this a good or bad thing also forced regime change in venezuela continues apace. ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor all of which he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri babied she's a political analyst we spoke meek international our german cross-talk rules in

effect that means you can jump in anytime you let me just kind of introduce this program here looking at the front page some of the headlines from antiwar dot com trump insists on afghanistan withdrawal senate votes to stay in syria afghanistan pentagon continues to resist syria pull out kurdish lobby struggles to slow u.s. pullout from syria victor we've had the imperial presidency for decades now and it's a product of the cold. but you know through time the president has been given parag privileges and without much oversight now we see the complete reverse we're sensually denying donald trump as president of the united states to have a foreign policy on this program we've just discussed the pros and cons of his foreign policy but now he doesn't even look like he's going he's being denied it in very forcefully including his own party who are going to this is very symptomatic

of what the loyalties and disloyalty is both in the u.s. congress and the u.s. intelligence community in the pentagon and this is a taste of things to come when that attempt to be moved is going to actually happen if there's likely to happen after the final report after miller's final report comes out and people see the same forces the same political forces that they're now trying to impede the amp's foreign policy agenda come out against him in force. to try to remove him from his so i really have to make it very clear they're not impeding. having a coup d'etat openly in venezuela is whaling of course ok in a market i think you all saw the american conservative an article trump is right the intelligence community needs to go back to school and let me read a quick paragraph because i think it's brilliant here the current crop of national intelligence chiefs are cut from the same cloth as their predecessors they are

careerists who have risen to the top not through their analytical or operational talents but through their willingness to conform to a system that is designed not to challenge conventional thinking. yeah i mean with that that's obviously true it's been true for several administrations now going at least back to the george w. bush administration probably i think we can take it even further back all the way to reagan and so on but i mean jeanne a house full of a hands on torture is now director of the cia so much for accountability. clapper and bred in there in the obama era of both lie under oath to congress in the house and the senate didn't run the risk terminus well there were no more cash and no repercussions for them so and you know the same people have been elevated in the trump administration to these positions house bill is just one example at the cia and pompei oh becoming secretary of state dan coats they're all ripped from from

the same page a lot of them have prior military experience and experience within what i think we ben rhodes called the blob and he identified the blob during the obama administration as the the both the commentary it and the appointed bureaucracy the city is today if you will that is unelected and that formulates us foreign policy and has repeatedly formulated a policy of a gemini and regime change that has failed again and again and again. so mr ideology you saw it through. the year we could it had nothing to do with political parties well i mean coming back to that conventional wisdom what does it mean conventional wisdom let's be blunt conventional means we did it means war they more they want to make sure war happens or is very possible i mean mr trump believes that in their treaty initially there were some protests inside the united states in

the european union then they realized that it was actually brilliant that will call her so suddenly all the foreign ministers of the e.u. come out with a statement a very rapid change so doing all the blame on russia saying that it was that russia who breached that treaty or so they are i'm quoting in complete agreement with the united states basically all in medium range missile star get europe from both sides. talking about ideology you know a lot of people said always so just about money if russia had the same stakeholders the united states china things would be so much about well china indeed bought one point two trillion dollars walked off american securities he didn't prevent the trade war and they didn't prevent that it didn't just community that we're talking about now this is intelligence community is all been the target in china they're talking of vog blockade in china they're talking about limiting china's needed.

it's really it's a just you know what we don't we're talking about here was this briefing that was given to congress worldwide threat assessment report here and the media made a big trump made a big deal out of it after he saw it my support i suppose he saw the hearings and then he went on some kind of twitter rage you know that's what we got you know go back to school phrase then he meets them and then he says we're on the same page another nine hundred all ok he lost face and i think that look there are several very serious problems that this rift between trump. the intelligence of this open a rift between top of the intelligence community exposes first of all we saw an example in the lead up to the iraq war of how the intelligence community essentially makes up analysis that the leadership question. seriously simply says what's necessary even though the evidence isn't healy there today we see another very serious example of a fair to democracy

a. threat to democracy where the intelligence community is not loyal to the commander in chief not loyal to the president and decides to promote its own agenda against the will and the viewpoint of the president now we have seen i wouldn't mind. but a month into a presidency and chuck schumer came out and said that the president the e.u. which if somebody picks a fight to say to pick a fight with the intelligence community you think of a way of getting back at that person and there was an example where the democrat senator in the ninety's there. was a congressman actually he exposed u.s. army intelligence or in killing some guatemalan citizens during the civil war there what happened after that the cia did everything possible to malign him to malign him never again that torie cheli come out with any serious criticism of the u.s. intelligence community and this is a this is a hole that we're the ones that the cooked the books for the illegal invasion of

two thousand and three they're still around exactly it is exactly you know you do it in the state exactly and so this chuck schumer's warning it's coming to bear right now in scotland where against him. is this political more is it is this a way to undermine him because they get as we said with the mayor here i mean these are people of the media up through the ranks to different administrations different political parties you know i mean is this sending a signal that the you really have to get our permission to go down these powers when it comes to iran when it comes to venezuela when it comes to bring. when it comes to china sure i think a lot of it is knee jerk partisanship but if you take a liberal interventionist and a neo con they're simply flip sides of the same coin and i have a hard time telling whether it's the blob the intelligence community and congress that are lying more about foreign policy or the trump administration at this point it's a toss up a scorecard all right so we know that trump is in favor of pulling troops out at

least rhetorically from syria and afghanistan and the blob in the congress are in favor of permanent war they're keeping there in iran right now at least rhetorically the intelligence community and congress are bucking the trump administration by insisting that iran is holding to the terms of the joint comprehensive plan of action because of the obama era legacy but is that the political day to buy if the trumpet ministration continues on its path to saying should and drive for regime change in iran i don't think that that opposition will hold up because we've already seen the democrats in congress support sanctions venezuela though venezuela is is is where we've all the neo cons of liberals who have it and ventured as democrats republicans community me john betjeman the media have all found common cause there is regime change we can all agree where i see but

this is what i've been saying to me i mean empire is the glue that keeps it all together because it doesn't matter where you are in the political spectrum as long as you buy in to the ideology of empire and permanent war that's what keeps the parameters there i mean you can disagree about the wall but you don't disagree on empire it's absolutely true and again you cannot explain it by mining interests it's ready it's ideal would you know the whole wall chilled leeson to the united states and the european union on which kind of lead us it should have and least among crawl and easy. demanding you know a resignation of my dual role because of people sprawled tests when he is doing that when he is facing his own for all i mean maybe i mean we should we must or we should start a movement to recognize the this is the most interesting thing as you see there mark rohr now is saying that he is also a yellow best just let me quote him even be in a jail where we have some of the same means pushing for a higher pay and for

a more efficient parliament then i am a yellow for himself. the problem is that these people you know when dictators ultra right like bolton are all in brazil is useful suddenly you have democrat support involved in our if someone who appears to be from the left you know way why go exposing a someone who is not for the region or then they support a seemingly leftist candidate that will talk about venezuela if your but what do you bet gentlemen before we go to the break that the coup be. constructed in directed because we would if it goes south from poor people and right of course trumpet people would be a major us foreign policy failure that will be illegal here's the doorstep but unfortunately the us intelligence community seems to have prepared pretty well for

this cool and it seems so far again unfortunately it seems to be going their way ok hold that thought because that's exactly what we're going to talk about when we return after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real new state party. it's seemed wrong. to me to get to shape out just to come get educated and engaged with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground.

the only indians later. this middle. aged man or a. fellow governors unknown don't you know not. can as you quote all of them ok if the. last man in the master plan a little bit late about a day i wait for the last three of a garage. that i've been to. the one that having. given the people. who give the night. what the how do on our side our dear supernal us are sure no no no no jane meanwhile corn dog before. why do men not

let out on a year or so and i think just me just an honest one. join me every thursday on the ol excitement sure and i'll be speaking to yes the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see of em. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok mark if we go back to that. page from anti-war telecom there's another headline

here and this will go here bolton dot dot intervention against venezuela not imminent ok how is the coup going is it on schedule well bolton has has laid out the u.s. rationale in a pretty i think commendable on s.t. was a good p.r. and will now it will make a big difference to the us economically if we could have american oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities and we're going to say we're very direct very out and he went on to say this was in an interview with fox news he's in a conversation with major oil companies and they're all basically getting ready to run venezuela's energy resources the u.s. puppet calls and guido the u.s. puppet president in venezuela has already said his plan to revive the venezuelan country and the economy is to private eyes off the state oil company which of course would mean handing all of it over primarily to the u.s.

is going to be that easy victory but it's not going to be that fast it's a creeping cooling it will keep for quite a long time and it's still a long way to go but the problem is that the united states and its allies its partners in dejan and outside in europe for example in the u.k. they have been trying to cut off all the instruments economic instruments stepmother all of that the legitimate government of venezuela would be able to use to improve or change the economic situation the country so they're made of economic sanction it's against israel that are getting them. and pressure with essentially. every week and sometimes even several times a week their gold as it was of have now been created expropriated confiscated by the british central bank the bank of britain there are a number of other steps that have been taken and so the danger for for my daughter that they enter for the government in caracas is that the economic situation will

get worse and worse and worse and there is nothing they can there is nothing they can say to the people of venezuela to to make them to give them hope that the situation will improve eventually because if it only gets worse then where is the hope that it will get but they will go down from that and that will really. negatively impact the future of the game plan is the worse the better example for human well i think that the united states and that you want one mistake that this is what a lot of us have seen they went too fast i mean the decision to recognize why go yes they're legitimate president of israel. who i know i know about the i believe because i lost the big monster. so just and do recognize why those that didn't president came from fifty countries now and the e.u. all gave my door just to hold an election it's physically technically impossible so all the hardship that people would you are now in

a swell it can be blamed on the on for intervention right he simply because they went too far. it's heed these to call an election within six to eight to twelve months but that still is an eagle and absolutely legal to meet i agree about what is important now i think what is important will the duro try to compromise that it's. right because it's look he's been saying there should be talks it should be diluted by one side the talks about dialogue which doesn't get reported in western . iraq is also suggested a dialogue. well i don't already know a lot of those because the americans and the europeans they don't want they need them because they simply want they didn't move and i think it's obvious and there isn't that there are two sides of what's happening right now the economic and the covert and i think the economist or the. new who is weekly news magazine of the british establishment i think again commendable on as the tweeted out with an

article john doe. and donald trump are betting that sanctions will talk the regime before they starve the venezuelan people already that that lays out you know that he is right there but right now the covert side of it while the sanctions are going on the cia is doing exactly what they did so well in iraq and libya they are trying to suborn but i often blackmail threaten every venezuelan military officer national guard officer police chief politician bureaucrat and so so far what we know is they've had only small successes we have an air force general the us the venezuelan military envoy to the us and i believe the venezuelan ambassador to iraq have defected to the us puppet guido but we don't know how many more are coming behind the scenes because the bulk of that will announce it once when they may go

for the final big regime change push and this is why the u.s. didn't really have to fight in iraq or in libya at the end in tripoli because the military the police just stood down and this is what they're going to try to do here as well we'll see if it works i would like to know that you did you a political entity here because there's a lot of there's a lot of commentary in the and by the commentary that this is. a master move to push the rule of the russians and the chinese out not only of venezuela but of the whole atmosphere because we do know that nicaragua is being targeted in cuba again. basically making no. outreach to cuba the wall street journal had lined us push to oust venezuela's dural marks just the first step in a plan to reshape let no man is not a first step toward a good index lot of it will be good will be the spirit of history will tell us which they're going to sort of look at that you actually read because look at

argentina marcie who is much more pro-american than his predecessors than. in brazil completely pro-american president now has them and their venezuela so what do what are we actually seeing we're seeing that in each little american country the u.s. is using those instruments and those mechanisms they're most effective to do to get it's to get the government of the want installed used so in argentina in brazil they were able to use of loose political making nations or various political schemes to get their kid to that state you and that worked so that worked in venezuela they were not they were unable to use different kinds of the tried for years they've tried to get it to use different political machinations it didn't work so now they're going for full fledged cool which is what you're seeing to the well going about geopolitics gallup conducted the poor and americans just right

around the waldorf for all who want to treat it and several countries in several countries china first before do naked states in the conscious like. ecuador business well of course so it's not so easy to change the tide that has been going that way for for quite a few years now on the united states let me be a little bit optimistic i think that every time they make more and more mystique these regime changes the problem now is that they didn't find someone from inside the rule in the lead they didn't find another step who would. change model the following samana nobody until two months ago was a nobody for the huge majority of them in israel and where this is actually the last of them a gimme just to the people we keep he owes every reason to them but by they walk more and more crudely because why did they manage to talk with the water of it in the fall and someone who was acceptable doing it so was acceptable for the

nationalists and for the liberals later on they forgot about bush doing so they threw him out but he was useful at the moment no the regime change is a walk in in the cruder in kuwait and they may fail this time just like they failed with us or with us so their problem was that the un reached such force against him which were unacceptable for the syrian people and for the syrian elite you know these people they syrian it will not physicalist that wife are these witnesses. were the only change the balance of forces in syria was the intervention by russia and iran which gave the way i think he definitely doesn't have wanted to go because that's not going to happen in the us savages we see it that's the big difference russia and china both of made significant investments in the venezuelan economy and iraq has also started to make investments in the region that's why in this wall street journal piece i mentioned they're targeting now venezuela nicaragua and cuba and that the express intent is a monro doctor in

a rehash of driving russian and chinese and iranian influence out of the region meaning they're not allowed to do business here at least not on except under our terms so but it's simply too far and russia and china do not have the military power projection capabilities to put military force in any way i mean syria is the very geopolitical limitation interests and and china as much as of they have invested are not ready to engage in a firefight not for venezuela despite. the world's largest proven oil reserves three hundred billion barrels being on the line. let me say if you want some in defense of mockery because when low rates on market want the election everyone expected him to throw old r t continues to broadcast he did not cancel all the contracts so there are still differences there are still differences but hopes to

achieve a compromise with the united states or with the u. he's wrong he's decision to hold only parliamentary elections if this is just to remove their big parliament that they have now completely approach us there and it's the right decision if he in this way if he hopes to get these the united states and the e.u. he won't it be that you know little or no became that's humane i mean that's what makes it really critical here because no matter what the current government does it will not be acceptable at all exactly the ability to do that the sitting in washington in london in the other western capitals that the government is has to go just because it has to go and unless something extraordinary happens to break their plan like it's happened in syria the view is not going to change a venezuelan version of signing a january twenty first agreement as in a covert you did would be the i mean it would be you know the stupidest move

possible obviously what the u.s. has planned for venezuela is just like what it had planned for ukraine in two thousand and fourteen or if you go back to chile. in one thousand nine hundred ninety three with the cia push to push pinochet in the power which is by the way if you look at the news headlines nearly identical to what is happening right now but it's not just removing one person like in ukraine like in chile nine hundred seventy three they need to level off the entire political field from any leftist socialist or. when you have opposite are not going to go to retirement homes mark with a that's why it's could be the potential for violence it was actually very high but we saw it in ukraine where the opposition was simply banned love straighted or suicide and that's one of the comments all the time we have here gentlemen many thanks to my guests in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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