hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle as a presidential candidate donald trump lambasted america's endless and wasteful wars but as president he has surrounded himself with individuals who have made defending and advancing american empire a full time career why did trump cave and what could be the consequences for him and his president's. foreign policy i'm joined by my guest george samuel in new york he is a fellow at the global policy institute of london and author of the book bombs for peace and dallas we have lee speaker men he is a us political consultant and policy advisor and in auburn we cross to jeff dyson

he is president of the muses institute all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate george let me go to you. it's one of the hallmarks of donald trump's foreign policy maybe not intentional but is to really big to be anti obama to attack obama's legacy and we saw that with bolton going to the middle east we saw recently and the same thing with tom pale but in fact when you look at the people that have surrounded him pompei o bolton the new addition to the team elliott abrams it seems like more of a combination of the bush and obama administration foreign policy there's nothing really an authentic call there and it seems like when we look at trump claim that he does not like foreign interventions well he's full geared up in public steaming ahead for regime change in venezuela which the game is a contradiction to what he ran on so how do you account for this is he held hostage

by the deeds the deep state he's indifferent to it how do you account for it go ahead george. well what trump did when in twenty sixteen and he made his slogan america first what he meant by that was that america would rectify the problems that it had been suffering from from many years so he would address the deindustrialization of america the financialization of the economy. he would address the immigration problem which is basically driven down wages for many decades and he would address the. the growth of china that china is now becoming the major economic power. potentially much stronger than the united states and so he had a whole agenda of those america first which were in these stupid interventionist

wars and improve relations with russia in the hope of breaking apart the russia china alliance but instead of that america first strategy was interpreted by the neo on the fox news people as meaning that america does whatever it wants to do any time he wants to do it without hindrance and without any. attempt to consult allies or anything else and so the john bolton the neoconservatives was a rather a good fit for that they because that's what they assured him maybe this is america first we're just going to go ahead and recognize jerusalem as capital of israel to hell with their own else a america first doctrine you heard of the munroe doctrine you know venezuela is in our backyard we can have russia in cuba messing around in our backyard and our

syria you know you were you just going to let syria go to the russians or this is america first and i think trump. has to have reinterpreted america first year as a kind of neo conservative. full spectrum dominance of the universe it's very interesting analysis lee i saw you were disagreeing there go right ahead jump in. well i i believe first of all very strong the united states is that is much better for the world for the entire world were force for stability were a force for good and bad about is very important article on but our foreign intervention is going to remember a lot of our foreign interventions good for america i mean look at how much money is spent the lives that are lost is that good go ahead lee hang on hang on let me let me finish excuse me excuse me let me finish here we are currently undergoing

a massive change in policy of what president trump has put forward what he campaigned on and what he's affecting as president is the antithesis of the so-called neo con philosophy where reducing our military combat presence in the middle east we are not in favor of regime change what's going on in venezuela is not impose a regime change it's the venezuelan people through their national assembly making regime change and we are simply supporting him out and protecting our diplomats a country that is not that is not foreign intervention of the united states is doing what it takes to be strong to protect the american people to reinvigorate the american economy it is working but i'm trying to deliver in the state of the union tuesday night the state of the union globally has never been better for the united states and what we're doing is not the neo-con interventionist approach cables actually the op so it's so very little you're saying you're saying they being. john

bolton have had a massive change of heart after careers of force regime change ok i find that very hard to believe jeff you've been listening in the conversation jump in i think john bolton and elliott abrams would have fit in quite well in an obama administration or a hillary clinton administration i don't see any huge change here and these are people who believe in an international global order run by america and that sounds like a. erica first but when we get into you know almost twenty years now afghanistan when we get mired in syria when we when it looks like we're getting pulled into venezuela perhaps the people start to say that's not in our interests and to understand how non nonpartisan how you know poll or foreign policy has become just look at the left's reaction to tulsa gabbert running for president i mean this is the war party in d.c. but if you get outside of d.c. there's no constituency in america for continuing these intractable middle east wars or getting into new ones in latin america i would love to see

a policy shift i think donald trump came in without a real coate foreign policy i think it's great that he campaigned on america first platform a noninterventionist platform he's not governing by that but he's not the first president to not live up to his campaign promise i have to strongly disagree with les that that there is a massive issue here you're going to this is a sort of superficial serial every other word game series of the same ok george i mean when trump made the decision when the trump made the decision to pull out of syria you know both parties the media the deep state everyone did everything in their. power to slow that down or even have it revoked ok that's what he campaigned on and if you look it up the public opinion right after he made it after the media barrage all of the politicians the deep state his even his own cabinet still the public agreed with the president of the united states because that's what he promised to do at running as

a candidate and the same thing with. a way to that i haven't finished my career i wanted to. address to george well they're terribly illegally under international law remember that go ahead george and to my question that's yes well that's the saying but the problem with trump is that he makes these statements such as we're pulling out of syria we've waste. seventeen trillion dollars in the middle east that seventeen trillion dollars could have been made use of the bill rebuilding america's infrastructure but he doesn't follow through on this and he doesn't follow through on this because he is basically lazy of course the deep state was going to oppose these policies from started and i mean it was a wary eye where it is you are is about these election victory the can you let me finish and then you can just go on the course that we're going to oppose these policies but what this is now happened is that he hasn't delivered on it he's going

to be facing reelection in. over a year's time and the democrats are going to say we will have you here or he says i'm a liberal for you no matter who has not accomplished you know through their hearings and that he would accomplish ok go ahead please don't tell cowbird you're going about your totally wrong. it's your turn please note i'm going to talk over when i hear something crazy well they do but no one will be able to corey you want to be able to understand what we're saying prayers result for you however limited or courtesy rebuilt going to kaname that is what he campaigned on he's been extremely exceedingly surpassingly effective that that is what he campaigned on he's an effective president he is not always the president he's talking to foreign leaders all the time he has made his intentions quite clear he's got a very clear vision rebuild the american economy reem dust realize the united states reinvigorate the military reassert america around the world in the proper way which he has done here is reducing our combat presence over the long term but

an important way in the middle east is what he campaigned on and which is what the american people want so we are what what what i've heard unfortunately is that a lot of that is our leaders not he is not the route out listen listen leave leave leave leave leave leave he has walked out on the i.n.f. treaty this is a huge tree. the russians are wired all of the want from the us i only find a swim to turn it on a hang on guys and can understand only gentlemen please let the court i have a rule that we have to have equal time jeff jarvis the b.m. no highs or you b m's are the cornerstones have some china and iran are not heard somebody i have to go ahead please if the american electorate was so have your arms around here corrigan i want our little reward one learned from going to drilling is not a corner some weight around of trade is not the cornerstone ok jeff go ahead let me

say this the i interview conservatives to get away with presenting themselves as the adults in the room is the people who represent real politic when in fact they present this kindergarden black and white version of the world where america and the west are noble liberal democracies and the rest of the world is to tell a tarion isn't waiting to happen. which part or whoever the team of the day is that that is actually a very fast go is not him our own dog just how do you know it's not true that men rode out for united states perturb spec shot in iraq and we're going to protect them a chronic regime so what you're what you're saying about trumps glories are directly opposite of what he campaigned out of that i don't think you can ignore this i think he campaigned on worrying about it we're exactly what he campaigned on it's the world he's allowing he's really. not tearing rebuilt for you are a long time that i want to hear we're going to go to one short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trump's foreign policy state with our

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section of our program here the adults in the room and i and i think that's really interesting because it's i see an enormous amount of continuity from george george w. bush obama and trump i see you know it well get with it maybe the exception of iran which would be a separate topic i think it was a huge mistake for the u.s. to walk away from that treaty it was the only foreign policy event under the obama administration that actually agreed with your so you know jeff it seems to me that this because there is such a. bipartisan consensus and with the media always modulating it here it's very dim and i'm being sympathetic to donald trump i am not attacking him he what he wanted to get accomplished is not being accomplished because he's picked a very bad foreign policy team that's not acting what he says there and acting what they want it to mean as george said in the beginning of the program go ahead jeff.

these people hate donald trump's guts they think he's unfit to be president temperamentally intellectually morally jennifer rubin max boot david frum these are the people with whom john bolton and elliott abrams agree donald trump is literally shooting himself in the foot almost with but by appointing these people the reason he's doing it is because as can take he also craves acceptance and approval when he dropped the famous moab in afghanistan just a few months into his administration i think was april twenty seventh he was praised by all sides in the media including the vicious washington post new york times this is how you get to be viewed as a great president you listen you know cons and start wars that last forever ok he part of donald trump wants to be a war president the only explanation i can think of that allows him to bring these people in who violently opposed him who would have been fit in following in the

hillary clinton administration and now they're running him around by the nose because he was to appear presidential i just don't get it because in every other sense piece of matter our fight hours to be bad speak up on the hadley jump in peter i've told you totally disagree with my palm peo and john bolton are two of the smartest most able diplomats that we've ever had at the top level of the united states we're very lucky to have them they both have a terrific personal report with president trump they're meeting with him privately all the time there's a great relationship and the only thing that is analogous to previous presidents is that john bolton has modeled the structure after george h.w. bush president george h.w. bush or we recently lost and i don't think anybody will find fault with his well or in politics and thieving lawyer. from the ok let me let me let me let me jump in here smart so lately there's a bigger pot of golf oh. going to try it is

a very trite saying adults in the room we have to wherever tremendously effective secretary of state a tremendously effective national security adviser and a president with a very clear vision who is. the campaign i went to the american way really ok you're throwing out all right i'll leave you know made their move and suddenly the major point you know ma'am are let me ask you another question but john bolton doesn't he doesn't have any responsibility for the probably the biggest foreign policy mistake in american history was the illegal invasion and occupation of iraq he just skates away from it all these other people do the same elliot abrams was convicted of lying perjuring himself and he got a pardon again the same group of people never take responsibility george jump in that was a political prosecution. and the fact is that. i don't know that we're going to come out really like your league lead george speak

at least george. donald trump could have appointed a pretty decent team of realist foreign policy intellectuals he could have appointed stephen cohen andrew bus a village stephen walt john. there is a a series of foreign policy intellectuals who all know his wavelength who did indeed thing that america should not be in the business of regime change interventionism antagonizing russia is said he has gone with. john bolton is the man who persuaded george w. bush to walk out of the a.b.m. treaty and what does he do now what does he do now he persuades donald trump to walk out of the i and i have treated this few things of the earth too hard for the . lash of the world to fuel

a new cold war as that withdrawal from the a.b.m. treaty and that we got the i.m.f. treaty with role i mean if you want good relations with russia it's a very strange way to go about it ok jeff let me go to auburn here jeff kind of rushing to do its part of nature and we're talking to jeff right now please leave ok jeff i mean what i got going on and you're trying. to fill out a lot more it is on the world's great if we turn to crime on time no about just talking to people who respond those are the usual talking points and doesn't really get to know to reality about how much in point jeff does how does is this really kind of a very strange marriage of bolton's unilateralism and what donald trump thinks is american first is this kind of a fusion of the two. because that's the only way i think it could work go ahead joe that's a good christian leaders are entrenched they're drenched across media they're entrenched across both political parties and they're convinced that day alone no. what's right

and what's best for american foreign policy i'm not saying that they're all ill intentioned i think they're well intentioned they honestly believe that people at auburn alabama should be fretting about iran sending an intercontinental ballistic missile our way i mean frankly i worry a little bit more about my kids and my mortgage and things like that so they're not the adults in the room they're not part of trump's vision certainly not the one he ran on someone like rand paul frankly who i'm sure drives a lead ballistic is someone who is much closer to trump's original vision we have serious domestic debt problems this country serious entitlement shortfalls it's going to be an absolute catastrophe for a population above sixty five that's growing rapidly and it to to still be free to talk to be talking on my shoulders agreeing at every border its population is shrinking to be talking about iraq all of these things are diversions they get us away from trump's domestic agenda and frankly i think that the people who are

spouting this iran are iran being a nuclear threat is not a diversion they don't pester very there's a lot of that on the world stage that's not a diversion well you know they don't really want to have to. say after halftime of important well think of the different ways to find a god we're going to meet god has repeatedly said that there is no we have a danger of its own brand is building a bomb that's a military or a serious number i want him state sponsor of terror ok well lot of people in the world the more think i think other countries like the united states are being a sponsor of terror in the world can hear you know ok ok you're wasting your time or. we're going to have a ridiculous talking point me to jimmy to george tenet general reference a comedy show ok europe making a comedy out of people that are trying to discuss real issues that are not described this gust in the mainstream media as george has pointed out in this all in your article number one sponsor of terror you've been able to say you've already

said a few times and i hope you're satisfied can we move on because we're not talking. about that he said we're talking about donald trump really am your policy george do you think that u.s. troops whatever withdraw from syria as well even after the president has demanded enough do you think are and what this diplomatic defeat for hampshire because they trust in the united states in the middle east to take if the president can't get his own troops out of it what does that message send. there i should think the u.s. troops will withdraw from syria because i don't really think that he has the will of the energy or the decisiveness to do it and that and that's just shown by the fact that you know he made his announcement and then you know our everyone else in the proportion away from his policy same with afghanistan he promised to withdraw from afghanistan but he quickly allowed himself to be. pushed into staying on and as i said earlier he will face reelection and he's using with a democrat here

a point if you are going are going all or do. you have failed to withdraw any of your forces and you have failed to improve relations with russia you've got your into an arms race. and i think that's going to sink presidency ok jeff we're aware of where you are already aware of iran are rapidly running out of time to develop general very or violating the i have to read ok we're going for the countries who've walked away from it so if they were dead we're lenora hearted why are we discussing it it's over ok now we have to face the consequences an arms race let me go to you what let's talk about ben is whalen it seems to me that this is trump is walking into a trap because if it does go sideways well it's his fault ok the they've set it up in such a way that no matter what decision he makes he's a foreign policy failure he i believe in his gut he doesn't want to be saddled with

a foreign intervention that could go wrong and it very likely will go wrong bolton and elliot abrams go ahead jeff. well they just took it upon themselves unilaterally to to start treating the national assembly leader as a legitimate president guy who never ran for anything look it's hard to gauge the support from a dearth it's hard through western media to understand what the feeling in the street is obviously there's a humanitarian crisis there that's far more important do we want to be involved in a latin american civil war is that what it would take to oust material i don't know but i can tell you i'm going to ask you this question that i hear that you're going up and the people on the left or i don't i don't want you know we're going to be not an autocrat not a dictator military intervention generally follows ok so look only it's all about them it's all about hang on here lately it's all about democracy because bolton said it was all about oil. you said it on fox news you said it's about oil well.

all i know where it's president trump with his foreign policy team with secretary of state pompei oh where bolton led almost the entire world to back the back of quiet oh as the interim president of venezuela oh that's when he countries do it on the job he country's ranking i think it's not going to tell the world apart when you have to do the stories about that was a cry out and a go is backed it goes back to the road doctrine the united states is not going to countenance their suppression of a people who are well off or tarion governments where we are ok leave the next programmatic job and i do want to do all of the military interventions the united states have committed against the western hemisphere that will be a bury long program that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests our york dallas and albert and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember.

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