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i'm after newtown here we're going on the ground the day after donald trump state of the union and there's even british governments follow the u.s. playbook on regime change in oil rich venezuela coming up on the show as a u.k. cross party report claims saudi arabia is torturing women activists we speak to you have any men detained for fifteen years in guantanamo bay without charge about allegations of government sponsored violations of the geneva conventions and we don't need this fascist groove thing on the day one all reagan would have been one hundred eight we look back at the song banned by the b.b.c. the name checking him with it's all seven seventeen months and where the news find out who's bashing who about the brac sit back stop under the british army really have a shoot to kill policy against civilians in afghanistan all this and more coming up in today's going underground fast a reminder that you can catch up with the story of british intentions to deport

former u.k. army veteran train morgan today on a flight to jamaica on a you tube channel but now to even more sinister deportations in a country which like france has witnessed mass weekly protests against neoliberalism serbia it's women to old they feed despite not knowing the language or anybody there has been put to serving fifteen years of the u.s. torture camp in occupied cuba guantanamo without any charges following his release he has been contacted by former inmates in saudi arabia's prisons with claims of torture claims echoed in this week's cross party report that included a friend of prince harry's wife meghan markle when he was a book out from guantanamo is out soon and he joins me now via skype from belgrade months are welcome do going underground all trump predictably didn't mention go. tanya miller the say the v union exists in around seventeen years how do you remember us torture after being there fifteen years with no charge imagine

a boy at nineteen years old was shipped to guantanamo to an where it was like a cemetery was like we were we were not alive or not dead but we weren't like in between life and death so when we get there i like from two thousand down especially when he gets back come back straight and comes out he went on to. be one of them targets and started applying some. shit the nice to interrogate detainees and it was like hell really i. watched some deniz lose their mind break down i mean i was nineteen years old i didn't know why i was there and you know from the gun state we had i thought that he disconnected to the to the world outside i was afraid confused. then was going to happen to me we felt like they're going to kill us because we. the situation we were before the cia

or a petition with that is going ok they got to get up and get us and they were going to got that they said that we are going to clear guys and put you in the embassy they told us yes he said the world not brought you here we burkey for the purpose of interrogation to get information the what do you want to see i mean that's what it is what's what i saw in the cia black site i thought yes why not because it will get killed if it and i was nothing and force feeding is a u.s. policy in texas right now for those seeking asylum from promoted g. the hospitals around the cia so manage to have run black sites from guantanamo and thailand you know about black sites i was in the cia black sites what works the worst for it like even when i talk about it it breaks me. i mean there they were there was no limitations to what they what what they can do to us not imitation whatever they want tons of detainees died under torture you just become

a ghost it's been two three four five months one year and just blindfolded. loud music naked hand to the ceiling or tied to the wall sometimes they would defeat something we couldn't walk we collapse they would drag us to the ground i guess preferred if done and remember those the critics but it was not that help the detainees at guantanamo your bringing out a book will not from guantanamo you not at all like the art started the chinese the one you need to bride if your life we start losing your identity your tried to survive you try to scare the life in jail you try to find something which actually you need to forget that you can get that you feel the pain but everything around you examine to break you everything around you designed to to make you suffer the turkmen the rule the food the cleaning the cloth everything so they say it's the

biggest started to draw on the toilet paper and the title for my farm carbs and so on so they started doing that but it would punish us if they found out think it wasn't until two thousand and ten where we had plus after the hunger strike after one the obama camp to an office they changed they missed something in guantanamo so we asked for art and it helped us to survive it help us to construct a new life to help us do some things who would like us she has like some but pressure they have suffered some psychological problems or sun there was spent time and think that will try to strike this paintings that she told here spin secrets lived in silhouette she had no windows not just the. tenney the started making their own one of those designed by they would cut the cardboard and would design it would do small doors fighting when you when you open it you would see

beautiful sunset or youthful sunrise you would see the trees animals birds if you feel like that you because you get some feeling for some moment that jonathan do that would be enough for you like if you look at it every day or two days and it's enough it isn't remanding of your life because when you stare for a long time especially under harsh circumstances you tend to forget the life and you construct a new leary's and memories and you live and you can imagine everything is new it's like only painful so it is try to escape that it was a meaningless art one of the mean of escape minister survival as for you the u.s. released you have to fifteen years to a place where you knew no one you couldn't speak the language i was cleared by the . p.r. be. privy braddock board so i was released to serbia has no

choice i'm still in the guantanamo and there are mentally because i haven't said i live in the society which i have no family no friends no program a chill before integration and he will patiently question training with those think what basic thing can be to move on with a life there is no community around me that support me so i can move on when i talk to my friends like another man they move on with their life they get married they get kids and they managed to escape but to me it took me on a second once and i want to mentally can skate they feel the same thing behave the same the same way. i react the same way because it's. for me it's still still very hard and difficult they haven't met yet but since your release after fifteen years in incarceration you say you're trusted by those allegedly tortured by u.k. and u.s. allies saudi arabia and they apparently write to you this week of course by the

panel in britain of u.k. m.p.'s claimed saudi women activists could well be being tortured right now yes actually it was cooked up to two weeks ago by ex prisoners from the was the stance of the aria. you know i was shocked when one big softy when they sent me a letter they sent me an e-mail they are c.p.s. . they know they came across my work at once and i'm all and i talk about orthopod the the new york times then i get an a message. someone to mike i want to chat with you i said ok then it just popped up now about what had been in saudi arabia the way she treated the way she accused she had does brother i have a message i can't talk because i'm afraid i would be arrested again my family would be arrested i need your help i need you to convey our message message to the war to the free world we are dying here is still like she said how many how many more of us has to die until people pay attention to our case and the law here and just i

couldn't help myself i said you know what i will talk no matter what even if i get arrested or get killed it doesn't matter because someone has to turn something someone has to do something or other what don't even worse it is gone ten i'm with what saudi flavor will contact the saudi ambassador we've gone into better be verify the claims you're making what you're alleging would crimes had they been accused of committing they could never stand for it i think i mean most of them most entire coming out of the state like anyone i want to call them and they said they found a bitch or. her wanted guy and handed her a laptop and she was arrested and entire families was arrested if they find like a song which is religious songs which they don't like or if the family has a wanted person or someone who they think radical or has connections to. the slightest group what you had this group entire family would be brought in sight

they're so afraid and so shocked literally told them can you give me some of the said well i hope so if you write something the situation will be worse in jail and you said that if you they will make the situation worse i said we have to fight because they have learned one thing i will if you keep silence it too can get. worse so you have to fight back you have to this free people in the world this people who cares in the war they believe that a strong a good is evil can do something that was done and now the u.k. is training and selling weapons and warplanes to saudi arabia to bomb your birthplace yemen they could buy them a country they both seized on my country our own people children women get killed a lot everything people suffer of malnutrition poverty starving and it is really hard so much when you look at us the government. are providing saudi arabia with what they because they're killing us actually i mean my family get that that some of them have an economic number get killed in saudi attacks on the market and not

just my family in story i miss my family i feel i was a free for my family i think for every single yemeni there the areas which actually controlled by emeritus and saudis they build new bloody prisons torture killing and even like my friend from yemen told me they said well i didn't take it there from the americans who want to get us. they have since and then i ben and look at the emirates they interview they are advised there and they are the supervisor if i think the market saudis they exist actually advise us not on the ground and they have a supervised ventre get in there well the u.a.e. and saudi arabian government say they support international law and britain says it must support saudi arabia you know what if you really want to support saudi arabia they should this out of saudi arabia they should manage their parks and they should send a shuttle delegation and commit to what saudi jails what is the situation in yemen

you know when you tell me i don't to support saudi arabia and you saw them that what bin that killed our children our own people. how can we support them for that matter all day every thank you after the break from penthouse to pavement should the houses of parliament be moved out of london we'll ask the human league's monitoring where and for the headlines whose mast with mobs is modeled as comrade corbin gets cozy with congress on this war coming up about the going underground. you know if i said suddenly that oh and we recognize nancy pelosi has the president and i say said we're not going to talk with donald trump the world of outrage but of course the u.s. has a stereo exceptionalism and that no wise to them so they can do whatever they want

but by the central banks buying gold as they are they are now coming to the conclusion that america has lost its mind and then when they run out of gold to buy i guarantee you they're going to start fishing around but what market. welcome back joins me now as we go through some of the week's top stories a book us from former liberal democrat member of parliament limit oh big lebed welcome back official nasa climate change report today perhaps showing that we're going down the completely wrong route to save the earth secret flights a u.k. veteran of afghanistan was on board one. i mean you got any good news what is the thing with this. ok well this is pretty important to middle east i reports exclusive british army permitted shooting of civilians in iraq and afghanistan we can talk about climate change and so forth this is potentially

a scandal it turns out that spotters not mean civilian afghan residents who won tom door even implied as being on talked of in the military against the british army were legitimate targets oh a true for we have. just as he witnessed the fatal shootings of significant numbers of civilians and bouncer and he described as a killing spree there does seem to be quite a lot of evidence of that you form an interim dream and allege they and their fellow soldiers in southern iraq permission to shoot anyone seen holding a mobile phone carrying a shotgun talk about one british soldier said i'm coaching him we were shooting old man young man this is what i witnessed. never seen such lawlessness when you think about the fact that this whole initiative this whole military incursion was justified to put law and order and western values into place if this is what western values look like then morally the war is lost in fairness or they were

there was when tony blair was in power but will try and get comment from the ministry of defense obviously talks now underway with the taliban in moscow this week that talks in london which you have a special knowledge of that's go to this story as belfast telegraph reports breck's a lot tremble to take government to court of irish back stop saying it breaches good friday agreement is a significance of this very significant because there's something called the backstop it's all to do with the border between the north of ireland and the south of violence and no one's really got a solution to this and on the one hand it's been dismissed as a small issue on the other hand people like david trimble say if you don't do this right you're underlying undermining the single most important peace initiative in recent british history which was the good friday agreement i'm sure david cameron thought about all of this when called the bricks are over i'm so he resigned when he lost to have to say the d.a.p.

and the unionists generally have been the single most successful party in all of the bracks at mass because they've got concessions they've got pretty much bribes actually to to stay loyal to the government and what it is it's a billion pounds of infrastructure and they do and they get it and in that sense the real winners are the folk and live in the north of ireland but the losers could ultimately be treason may go to this love in between the darling of the alternative d.n.c. and jeremy corbyn responsible for the disaster in venezuela according to british media yes we'll talk about that says a court hasn't corben praise each other on twitter after a phone call this is comrade corbin reaching out. to the americas if you like having a forty five minute conversation with this lady here presumably he's trying to build his relations with those who might be more sympathetic to corban than others than others for example in many areas and certainly more to the left than his

parliamentary labor party arguably and. see wavering a little when she was accused of somehow being anti-semitic for talking to german gold because it was the allegations the lies some would say against jeremy corbin ability semitism there far away from the details of what's been a very mucky effort to drag corben into an ongoing and the semitism debate it's complicated here it's virtually impenetrable over in america so i can understand where the cautious but i think that the core story here is that corbin is trying to position himself as an international statesman of course he's going to speak to her because they do have common cause the fear and some might say encouraged and against the sort of left apotheosis here from this tweet from my gates which are yes and. reports call marx's memorial has been vandalized it looks like someone has how to go at it with a hammer it's a grade one listed monument this is no way to treat i wrote age marks library at

heritage crime we will repair as far as possible now this is a serious piece of vandalism there's been a bomb near this in the past near the memorial in the past and it seems to done less damage than the effort here where some implement was used to actually physically attempt to face the memorial now you don't have to be political about this to see that it's wrong whether you like karl marx or not it's a piece of national history last time i visited it it was just full of chinese tourists and of course so many of you around the world going to visit it because a third of the world recently said it was marxist but coal marks did have some impact. on the world whether you think it's good or not you could also argue that his legacy goes right back to an even earlier face. and who set up the co-operative movement wrote a lot of the ethos a lot of the philosophy was called walks and others then took on so if you go on

that's typical liberal democrat view of this that what they're going to believe you are just happy with is. to say i declare that they are often ok well people are already saying there should be appeal for try to get it repaired i wonder whether to resume we'll be talking about vandalism she should do because if we're going to reach out to the rest of the world if the chinese are coming here just to look at that we're going to need everything we can get after bracks et levodopa well then paul one we had for a month or a day feel about the power of office protest something my next guest is known around the world for one of the founders of the human league and having seventeen is politically judge music that satirize the reagan era is now most famously remembered in a song we don't need this fascist groove banned by the b.b.c. due to concerns it libeled raygun a new collection of heaven seventeen's work played there when the virgin years is out on the twenty nine the much more often where joins me now and welcome to going underground you don't even have had here have been seventeen you just need to look

at the. penthouse and pavement to realise that your resume. perhaps into blairism you had no time for it yeah we grew up in i mean i grew up in a very working class environment and dad was a shop steward everybody used to be called the socialist republic of south yorkshire sheffield. we grew up in a socialist environment we thought was completely normal for us it was based on an ad the marsh found in bread and we just like the binocular of this you know super optimistic kind of bread and a corporate thing the irony of three young poor lads from sheffield pretending they were super rich and of course the. i suppose we call them the europeans back back then went to bought the album and thought it was actually you know because it's quite know it's mystic album a candidate who is. a lot of them and so to embody their thrusting in

a show they thought you were a pro yeah well yeah there was a track called let's all make a bomb and they are members somebody coming up to me a few years later good always cry i was working to say you know oh you know my braces never thing we were all making a lot of the lots of money and. and it was i to say to him it wasn't let's all make a bomb doesn't mean making lots of money it was all about the mutually assured destruction and maybe. we would sorry we're big and the nuclear protest is a time and he went out when he writes great album thanks a lot of the artist for that because george michael of course did mind his benefits and music the the ideas behind the music not necessarily getting through to audiences. well i think he did in a way i mean read wage was around at that time i was part of that the british labor the british labor party a kind of a cage movie with the entertainment medium. i've made mine as. a

modest benefit record during the month struck with paul weller and various other artists paul weller of the jam after this show in the show is named and so you know and of course there was the whole alternative comedian thing which was very very anti thatcher time it was much more in the in the zeit geist to protest against a right wing government than it seems to be now and on the confused when it be honest i just think there needs to be a bit more protest generally since those days students who played a big now they have to ration fees and yes one tree to think that's been prevented them from being well political first yes i think because my daughter's twenty three sons twenty them and all of their friends are big big labor supporters because they really hate the idea that they're in this amount of debt that age group supports

the current labor policy more because they they don't really have much to lose if you're if you know me they're hoping that at some point they'll be some mitigation against their their debt that they've wrapped up in this period of time and so therefore used we went through an entire period maybe fifteen years with hardly any student demonstrations and now hopefully it seems to be getting more and we interdict legen david cameron. acting as a catalyst for ironically oh yes what do you have to have something to rail against because right at the beginning of your career you your it's become kind of the fabric we don't need a fascist grooved. suddenly stop being played on mainstream media here in this country would do the story well that was mike reid who's a. major radio one d.j. at the time decided him and his pretty set decided to. protest against it and therefore he got banned on the whole of radio not not because of my grades a fascist obviously no way i think it's probably because we called reagan

a fascist god in the lyrics. is what we felt at his arm the irony is that the read the lyrics and the record was made as a kind of warning really. didn't really in our heart of hearts think it was going to happen and i'm afraid he's heading in that direction more now on and it's ironic that you know kind of thirty five years later did lyrics apart from the specifics of reagan you know if you change a couple of words here and there it's actually been picked up as a month in various american anti fascist protests you see various pluck odds and we don't mean a fascist we don't mean this fascist group thing and in fact i would be considering doing a new version of it so in a sense nothing nothing changes our history will repeat itself in the lyrics it will be you don't have many compliments to pay to our current has that i think we

should move parliament into a giant aircraft hangar somewhere near i don't know birmingham or milton keynes or somewhere take all the glamour out of it because i don't know who said it but somebody once said that politics is rock'n'roll for elderly people and. really they get starstruck a lot of m.p.'s i believe it is incredibly glamorous they have support as the parliament and they think they've made it and all of a sudden they gain cheap drinks treat cheap food they get in massive expenses you know charging thirteen pay for the trip to the point of milk etc etc all the cliches. put them to work put them somewhere under armor us. and let's let them get on with running the country proper as well i believe anything maybe we'd have a different over politics yeah i do and also it would save renovating the whole house of parliament might as well make it into housing listen i'm opposed to london centrist say somethin i lobby strongly for in the professional organizations that

are on the ball with. kind of an internationalist to be honest i prefer i mean i suppose i'm a humanitarian i'm an activist internationally i work with an organization called in place of war that goes to. places of conflict around the world and creates. cultural centers for creativity young people we ship we take old music quitman from the u.k. and ship it out to places like zimbabwe in palestine and brazil in uganda so why do you think that the establishment wants to destroy germany corbet arguably profit the clues in the title is a conservative means that you want to preserve the status quo if it's working for you then you would probably vote conservative if you take the moral aspects out of it if it's just pragmatic. the genius i suppose of the saturated era and margaret

thatcher and her cohorts was to convince more and more people it was in their interest to vote conservative more and more working people and now i think the pendulum has swung in the other direction what do you think you can grow i actually did consider it last year. and then if they move violent as if they moved it in some way totally unglamorous now. i did consider it and then i thought i do actually have an entire wardrobe full of skeletons. i think i got ripped apart you know um. you know it is just inevitable and so i can't really put my family through that. which is which is a whole nother discussion and their bottom entry participation tell me about plato when the urgency is all right yes we got a brand new box set coming out. which covers everything we could find during the

main period which was from ninety eighty to eighty six everything it was on virgin i think it's got like ten bonus c.d.'s or something plus all the albums plus a special book and as usual you're stuffed and we're touring all the time i mean we did big satellites here last year we're doing a big tour later this year which we squeeze that's going to be a lot of fun. to be on this one more popular now than we've ever. whether with thank you thank you and play to win the virgin is released on march twenty ninth that's it for the show he would have tried social media will see what's out there today and yesterday senator joseph mccarthy accused the u.s. state department of containing hundreds of calls.

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