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advancing american empire a full time career why did trump cave and what could be the consequences for him and his president's. foreign policy i'm joined by my guest george samuel in new york he is a fellow at the global policy institute of london and author of the book bombs for peace in dallas we have lee speaker men he is a us political consultant and policy adviser and in auburn we cross to jeff dyson he is president of the muses institute all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate george let me go to you. it's one of the hallmarks of donald trump's foreign policy maybe not intentional but is to really big to be the anti obama to attack obama's legacy and we saw that with bolton going to the middle east we saw recently and the

same thing with tom pale but in fact when you look at the people that have surrounded him pale bolton the new addition to the team elliott abrams it seems like more of a combination of the bush and obama administration foreign policy there's nothing really an authentic call there and it seems like when we look at trump claim that he does not like foreign interventions well he's full geared up in public steaming ahead for regime change in venezuela which the game is a contradiction to what he ran on so how do you account for this is he held hostage by the deeds the deep state he's indifferent to it how do you account for it go ahead george. well what trump did when in twenty sixteen and he made his slogan america first what he meant by that was that america would rectify the problems that it had been suffering from from many years so

he would address the deindustrialization of america the financialization of the economy. he would address the immigration problem which is basically driven down wages for many decades and he would address the. the growth of china that china is now becoming the major economic power. potentially much stronger than the united states and so he had a whole agenda of those america first which were in these stupid interventionist wars and improve relations with russia in the hope of breaking apart the russia china alliance but instead of that america first strategy was interpreted by the neo on the fox news people as meaning that america does whatever it wants to do any time he wants to do

it without hindrance and without any. attempt to consult allies or anything else and so the john bolton the neoconservatives was a rather a good fit for that they because that's what they assured him maybe this is america first we're just going to go ahead and recognize jerusalem as capital of israel to hell with their own else a america first doctrine you heard of the munroe doctrine you know venezuela is in our backyard we can have russia in cuba messing around in our backyard and. syria you know you were you just going to let syria go to the russians or this is america first and i think trump. has to have a reinterpret at the very first year as a kind of neo conservative. full spectrum dominance of the universe it's very interesting analysis lee i saw you were disagreeing there go right ahead

jump in. well i i believe first of all very strong the united states is that is much better for the world for the entire world were force for stability were a force for good and bad about is very important article on but our foreign intervention is going to remember a lot of our foreign interventions good for america i mean look at how much money is spent the lives that are lost is that good go ahead lee hang on hang on let me let me finish excuse me excuse me let me finish here we are currently undergoing a massive change in policy of what president trump has put forward of what he campaigned on and what he's affecting as president is the antithesis of the so-called neo con philosophy where reducing our military combat presence in the middle east we are not in favor of regime change what's going on in venezuela is not impose a regime change it's the venezuelan people through their national assembly making

regime change and we are simply supporting him out and protecting our diplomats in that country that is not that is not foreign intervention of the united states is doing what it takes to be strong to protect the american people to reinvigorate the american economy it is working trump is that delivering the state of the union tuesday night the state of the union globally has never been better for the united states and what we're doing is not the neo-con interventionist approach cables actually the opposite so you're a little you're saying you're saying they've been in. john bolton it had a massive change of heart after careers of forced regime change ok i find that very hard to believe jeff you've been listening in the conversation jump in i think john bolton and elliott abrams would have fit in quite well in an obama administration or a hillary clinton administration i don't see any huge change here and these are people who believe in an international global order run by america and that sounds like

a. erica first but when we get into you know almost twenty years now afghanistan when we get mired in syria when we when it looks like we're getting pulled into venezuela perhaps than people start to say that's not in our interests and to understand how non nonpartisan how you know poll or foreign policy has become just look at the left's reaction to tulsa gabbert running for president i mean this is the war party in d.c. but if you get outside of d.c. there's no constituency in america for continuing these intractable middle east wars or getting into new ones in latin america i would love to see a policy shift i think donald trump came in without a real coate foreign policy i think it's great that he campaigned on america first platform a noninterventionist platform he's not governing by that but he's not the first president to not live up to his campaign promise i have to strongly disagree with les that that there is a massive issue here is going up to this is a sort of superficial every other word game series of the same ok george i mean

when trump made the decision when the trump made the decision to pull out of syria you know both parties the media the deep state everyone did everything in their. power to slow that down or even have it revoked ok that's what he campaigned on and if you look it up the public opinion right after he made it after the media barrage all of the politicians the deep state his even his own cabinet still the public agreed with the president of the united states because that's what he promised to do at running as a candidate and the same thing with. a way to that i haven't finished my god i wanted to. address to george well they're terribly illegally under international law remember that go ahead george and to my question that yes well that's the saying but the problem with trump is that he makes these statements such as we're pulling out of syria we've waste. seventeen trillion dollars in the middle

east that seventeen trillion dollars could have been made use of the bill rebuilding america's infrastructure but he doesn't follow through on this and he doesn't follow through on this because he is basically lazy of course the deep state was going to oppose these policies from started and i mean a wary eye where it is you are is about these election victory the can you let me finish and then you can just go on the course that we're going to oppose these policies but what this is now happened is that he hasn't delivered on it he's going to be facing reelection in. over a year's time and the democrats are going to say we will have you here or he says i'm a liberal for you no matter who has not accomplished what you know through their hearings and that he would accomplish ok go ahead please don't tell cowbird you're going to let your total iraq to totally wrong lead it's your turn please note i'm going to talk over when i hear something crazy well they do but no one will be able to do

want to be able to understand what we're saying prayers reasonable for your how limited torie courtesy rebuilt going to qana me that is what he campaigned on he's been extremely exceedingly surpassingly effective that that is what he campaigned on he's an effective president he has not only is he president he's talking to foreign leaders all the time he has made his intentions quite clear he's got a very clear vision rebuild the american economy reem dust realize the united states reinvigorate the military reassert america around the world in the proper way which he has done here is reducing our combat presence over the long term but an important way to the middle east is what he campaigned on and which is what the american people want so we are what what what i've heard unfortunately is that a lot of that is our leaders now he is now listen listen leave leave leave leave leave leave he has walked out on the i.n.f. treaty this is a huge tree. the russians are you know all of the russians or so i only

find a swim to turn it on hang on guys i think and understand only gentlemen please at the core i have a rule that we have to have equal time jeff john to be am i will you be as are the cornerstones have some china and iran or not or to somebody i have to go ahead please if the american electorate was so have your arms around here corrigan i don't want our little reward of one learned from going to drilling is not one point to some point you're going to radio not the cornerstone ok jeff go ahead let me say this the i interview conservatives to get away with presenting themselves as the adults in the room is the people who represent real politic when in fact they present this kindergarden black and white version of the world where america and the west are noble liberal democracies and the rest of the world is to tell a tarion isn't waiting to happen. which part or whoever that team of the day is that that is actually

a very fast go it's not him our own dog just how do you know it's not true that men rode out for united states perturb specs a lot and i don't. think we're going to protect them a crowd of. what you're what you're saying about tribes glories are directly opposite of what he campaigned out of that i don't think you can ignore this i think he campaigned on worrying about it to hear exactly what he campaigned on as the world he's allowing he's real but i merit not caring read bill for you are a long time getting ready and here we are going to go to short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trump's foreign policy stage with our . join me every thursday on the alex salmond show. and i was speaking to us of the

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welcome back to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle to mind you were discussing trumps foreign policy. ok let me go back to jeff and albert and i mean you said in the in the in the first section of our program here the adults in the room and i and i think that's really interesting because it's i see an enormous amount of continuity from george george w. bush obama and trump i see you know it well get with it maybe the exception of iran which would be a separate topic i think it was a huge mistake for the u.s. to walk away from that treaty it was the only foreign policy event under the obama

administration that actually agreed with your so you know jeff it seems to me that this because there is such a. bipartisan consensus and with the media always modulating it here it's very dim and i'm being sympathetic to donald trump i am not attacking him he what he wanted to get accomplished is not being accomplished because he's picked a very bad foreign policy team that's not in acting what he says there and acting what they want it to mean as george said in the beginning of the program go ahead jeff. these people hate donald trump's guts they think he's unfit to be president temperamentally intellectually morally jennifer rubin max boot david frum these are the people with whom john bolton and elliott abrams agree donald trump is literally shooting himself in the foot almost with but by appointing these people the reason he's doing it is because as can take he also craves acceptance and approval when he

dropped the famous moab in afghanistan just a few months into his administration i think was april twenty seventh he was praised by all sides in the media including the vicious washington post new york times this is how you get to be viewed as a great president you listening neo-cons and star wars that last forever ok he's part of donald trump wants to be a war president the only explanation i can think of that allows him to bring these people in who violently opposed him who would have been fit in following in the hillary clinton administration and now they're running him around by the nose because he was to appear presidential i just don't get it because in every other sense piece of matter i fight ours to be bad speak up on the air go ahead lee jump in peter i've told you. totally disagree with my palm peo and john bolton are two of the smartest most able diplomats that we've ever had at the top level of the united states we're very lucky to have them they both have a terrific personal report with president trump they're meeting with him privately

all the time there's a great relationship and the only thing that is an analogous to previous presidents is that john bolton has modeled the structure after george h.w. bush president george h.w. bush or we recently lost and i don't think anybody will find fault with his well or in politics and thieving lawyer. from the ok let me let me let me let me i mean are smart so lately leaders they come out of dollar. oh. when to try it it is a very trite saying i drove from the room we have to wherever tremendously effective secretary of state a tremendously effective national security adviser and a president with a very clear vision who is. the campaign i went to the american way really ok you're throwing out all right i'll leave you know made your job and suddenly you made your point you know and they are let me ask you another question but john bolton doesn't he doesn't have any responsibility for the probably the biggest

foreign policy mistake in american history was the illegal invasion and occupation of iraq he just skates away from it all these other people do the same elliot abrams was convicted of lying perjuring himself and he got a pardon again the same group of people never take responsibility george jump in that was a political prosecution. and the fact is that. true i don't know that we're going to come out really like your league career let george speak uglies george. donald trump could have appointed a pretty decent team of realist foreign policy intellectuals he could have appointed stephen cohen andrew bus a village stephen walt john. there is a a series of foreign policy intellectuals who all know his wavelength who did indeed thing that america should not be in the business of regime change interventionism

untag and izing russia is said he has gone way to bush to walk out of the a.b.m. treaty and what does he do now what does he do now he persuaded donald trump to walk out of the i have treated this few things of the earth to entrepreneurs. in the world to fuel a new cold war as that withdrawal from the a.b.m. treaty and that we got the i.m.f. treaty with role i mean if you want good relations with russia it's a very strange way to go about it ok jeff let me go to auburn here. kind of russia needs to do its part. to jeff right now please leave ok jeff i mean what i got going on and you're trying. to fill out a lot more it is on the world's great if we turn to arrive on time note that just talking to people who respond those are the usual talking points and doesn't really

get to know got to reality about how much am points jeff does how does this really kind of a very strange marriage of bolton's unilateralism and what donald trump thinks is american first is this kind of a fusion of the two. because that's the only way i think it could work go ahead joe that's a good christian leaders are entrenched they're trying to cross media they're entrenched across. both political parties and they're convinced that day alone know what's right and what's best for american foreign policy they're not saying that they're all ill intentioned i think they're well. intension they honestly believe that people at auburn alabama should be fretting about iran sending an intercontinental ballistic missile our way i mean frankly i worry a little bit more about my kids and my mortgage and things like that so they're not the adults in the room they're not part of trump's vision certainly not the one he ran on someone like rand paul frankly who i'm sure drives a lead ballistic is someone who is much closer to trump's original vision we have

serious domestic debt problems this country serious entitlement shortfalls it's going to be an absolute catastrophe for a population above sixty five that's growing rapidly and it to to still be free to talk to be talking on my shoulders agreeing at every border it's population is shrinking to be talking about iraq all of these things are diversions they get us away from domestic agenda and frankly i think that the people who are spouting this a lot about iran being a nuclear threat is not a diversion they don't pester very there's a lot of that on the world stage that's not a diversion well you know they don't know where we are and what we have to. say after after aren't important well they have the different means to find their god we're going to meet god has repeatedly said that there is no evidence of its own brand is building a bomb that's a mid air asia x. number i want him state sponsor of terror ok well i lot of people in the world be more thank i think their countries like the united states are being

a sponsor of terror in the world can hear you know ok ok you're wasting your time or they're going to we're going to have a ridiculous talking point me to jimmy to george have a general reference a comedy show ok europe making a comedy out of people that are trying to discuss real issues that are not described this gust in the mainstream media as george has pointed out in this all you're working number one sponsor of terror car you've been able to say you've already said a few times and i hope you're satisfied can we move on because we're not talking about that we're talking about donald trump remember hollandse george de. you think that u.s. troops are withdrawing from syria for years why even after the president has demanded it up and with this diplomatically fever him for because the trust in the united states in the middle east to take if the president can't get his own troops out of it what is that message sent to her i should think the u.s. troops will withdraw from syria because i don't really think that he has the will

of the energy or the decisiveness to do it and that's just shown by the fact that you know he made his announcement and then you know our everyone else at the proportion away from his policy same with afghanistan he promised to withdraw from afghanistan but he quickly allowed himself to be. pushed into staying on and as i said earlier he will face reelection and he's using with a democrat here a point you know what are they going all or do. you have failed to withdraw any of your forces and you have failed to improve relations with russia you've got your into an arms race. and i think that's going to sink presidency ok jeff we're aware of where you are already aware of iran are rapidly running out of time to develop general very or violating the i have to read ok well there are countries who have walked away from it so if they were dead where lenora not and why are we

discussing it it's over ok now we have to face the consequences an arms race let me go to you what let's talk about ben is weyler it seems to me that this is trump is walking into a trap because if it does go sideways well it's his fault ok the they've set it up in such a way that no matter what decision he makes he's a foreign policy failure he i believe in his gut he doesn't want to be saddled with a foreign intervention could go wrong and it very likely will go wrong bolton and elliot abrams go ahead jeff. well they just took it upon themselves unilaterally to to start treating the national assembly leader as a legitimate president guy who never ran for anything look it's hard to gauge the support from a dearth it's hard through western media to understand what the feeling in the street is obviously there's a humanitarian crisis there that's far more important do we want to be involved in a latin american civil war is that what it would take to oust material i don't know

but i can tell you i'm going to ask you this question that i hear that you're going up and the people on the left or i don't i don't want you know we're going to be not an autocrat not a dictator military intervention generally follows ok so look only it's all about them it's all about hang on here lately it's all about democracy because bolton said it was all about oil. he said it on fox news he said it's about oil well. all i know where it's president trump with his foreign policy team with secretary of state pompei oh where bolton led almost the entire world to back the back acquired zero as the interim president of venezuela twenty countries did on the job he kind of crazy. there were a lot of parties when he came to the stories about that was a tryout and a go with fact it goes back to the man role doctrine the united states is not going to countenance the suppression of

a people's will authoritarian governments we leave the next program a good job and i've been to all of the military interventions the united states have committed against a western hemisphere that will be a bury long program that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests our york dallas and albert and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember.

the. you know if i said sadly that we recognize nancy pelosi has the president and i stay said we're not going to talk with donald trump the world of the you know outrage but of course the u.s. says the stereo of exceptional is. no law applies to them and so they can do whatever they want but by essential banks find gold as they are they are now coming to the conclusion that america has lost its mind and then when they run out of gold to buy i guarantee you they're going to start fishing around the clock markets.

are. welcome to worlds apart while president trumps decision to pull the u.s. troops out of syria got all they have lines they simultaneous i'm married can push for and they don't like air of the military alliance went largely unnoticed can they do you of collective security at work in such air consistently in secure region as the middle east to discuss that i'm now joined by house on the political science professor at cairo university professor enough it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you for having me it's a.