how do you personally see yourself now. and here in europe but i cannot disclose for because we're under a persecution from the government of venezuela i used to be the oil minister for pressing charges with twelve years. hundley the most important post in the. hour. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in two thousand and seventeen you accused him of incompetence and your supreme power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to decide what do you make all file what's happening in and around venezuela right now i believe everybody i sure that everybody sec read that our country faces a very deep. crisis in the political side economic concise

and also in the saucer size in the political side that we have now to. president. mr way though what of. our constitution we have a problem in the political side for legitimacy of these two guys in the economical size that we are confronting. inflation more than one point seven million percent. of the supply of medicines the food they were lewisham all saw the gorman half of the straw. poll which is the most important in the country in the source inside. the our people are suffering because of where our games. after the prison charges we are now facing the poverty of our people didn't miss any of our people. well so from the axles of people.

more than four million people have been left the country if the first time in our history well they put the position often is our is indeed very troubling and i know that you put most of the blame on president maduro and his lack of competence but for most foreign there is there isn't much difference between let's say the child his administration and the mature administration they're really seen as two sides of the same coin why is it different from you why why do you put so much blame on my door a seemingly exonerates president chavez entirely. not only incompetent. i believe that this government will be the worst. were his story but many. of the. first. team games. all saw

a team. destroy . it is one of the the most powerful company in the world corn treat her sponsor of two for. the main issue for our economy. being the all of our social program that we call. missions in my country and then. a thing. is not. completely different but mr ramirez i think what you are not mentioning is a very sharp change in economic environment between the two administrations president chavez had the benefit of high or oil prices while present majoris term coined sided with a very sharp decline. in the hydro carbon market as critical and skeptical as you

are of media as competence is it fair to blame this crisis a very very deep crisis on him in charley rather than on the whole ball is very an economic system i don't believe the pretty. different situation in the. during the old the period remember that when we arrived at the government with the press in charice the oil price be. ten dollars per barrel then we recorded the unity inside the pick and they were quoted the press of oil but the most important is the charges that we're able to recover the control of the oil industry the oil also the money. for the oil industry a good management of the oil industry then would be able to get all the revenues

from they all say two in favor of our economy we as we spend and we enjoy more done ten years of. their growing in the economic also in the sources now you said in one recent interview that if charis were still alive and if he saw the state of the country today he would have probably mounted a coup d'etat against madieu or what makes you believe that sure sure because you know the canonical and source are situation it's even worse. when the press in china has made. in ninety ninety two now it's worth the situation. really believe the charges will be very concerned about the situation because a muddle has to be conducting a work or two for the suster in an economical. point of view but also he says

been affecting the poor people who has been hitting the. the poor people especially our people now is trying to find a box with some fort worth people who strain to escape the country. open the. door to the private companies international companies. into the same reasons why i chose conduct. in nine hundred ninety two now you clearly have a strong connections within did in israel and military would you be willing to be part of such a could you tie against president durand do you think in general any sort of core orchestrated by military or somebody else would be in the interest of your country what will it mean let me tell you that i am very clear in my position against any

foreign intervention in my country against of the sanctions because. we have to reject that but it sure would mother with them have any chance to recover the country both and neither with what though because. behind why though is this a win. in the country also with some support from the us then we believe we need to farms find some some way so into mean away sunburns way to avoid the violence. intervention that the right sector to be in the position to the constitution is what i understood your your position perfectly but let me rephrase my question again have you been in any contact with the venezuelan military recently to discuss . possible ways of solving venezuelan crisis yes permanently permanently and have

how do you discuss your own the role in that in the resolution of that crisis a great to hear my country has been a worsening from the four years ago how the situation is. a warning. about economical situation like. more than. eighteen documents warning about the situation but nobody wants to hear me warning that how to protect our own oil company which is the main factor in the economy then are you still in contact with my people still writing are you still making interviews because they believe that we have the opportunity to her solve this problem with the violence you said in the recent interview that you would be even open to run for presidency in your country it seems that you're positioning yourself as

a third that alternative between the current president and the leader of the opposition. because i believe we need to study the constitution to open the political game i mean we have to us can people over people what do you want to do in the future for their i believe that i'm ready to to show for the people. on the. principles but also openly for. the new situation i'm sure you would agree that this kind of choice should be left up to the venezuelan people but you know that the international politics is always more complicated than that i know that you have good ties among when israel and international partners first of all russia and china but do you think that americans do you think the europeans are likely to see your candidate sure as a consensus what. the consensus of my people of and solar. we have to

a splaying for everybody all the contras the have so the interests of my country in my country that we have to preserve the peace we have to preserve the functioning of the contrary we have to her star is the economy under the rule of law oh this is on the interests of everybody for that reason is very. the current situation for there is so i believe that we need to be making backing by the army now our socialism is extremely difficult system to pull off we the russians know that better than anyone else. regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr goh i don't know mr madeira do you think been is all i can continue or relying on a planned economy going forward will i believe that the plan for the. end to the quarter in two thousand and twelve was a good one we call the plan for their homeland it is the main

issues daughter kori for work or tree i believe we need to base in go than to show for our people the. gate again the normality in the court i believe that i believe we need to restart all or we're programmes in god into recovery of the situation mr maritz we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. with your make manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling class or some project over the. so. when the financial merry go

round lifts and be the one percent of. the time we can all middle of the room signals. from the real news group. as read the stand and hear from us and. our own. homework. about it i know there are a lot of trouble for our brothers you know that are before fourth down to care of their. own lawyers and that competitor that cuts and then you cut them and keep an. eye and flew to china for truffle that it living. below the

line punish a little. and lot of the. members of the hatefulness and. get this whole food place choice where you've gone the i knew you didn't pay i think to a mysterious said. british. model for that in africa will fuck around with mr hates it for jim and then oil for hope that our freddie macor. the. country's gone into a nihilistic fever. thank you. and get out the traveling across america to find what makes america the showed the genius this is the quintessential american hero this is it we've come a point on which element is done so we always are on the minds of some. all the gun

culture. we're starting last with is going to headed east into the swamp we're going into the belly of the beast i think i'm going to leave town doesn't get any more ground on the earth you may be pleased to mr. are. welcome back to worlds apart but rafael premier is a close ally of president chavez and now a presidential hopeful in venezuela. mr ramirez just before the break we started talking about possible ways of free covering they've been his ailing economy and

you know just a few days ago president windorah gave an exclusive interview charting which he was asked the same question and he's answer was rather prefer axing because he talked about the markets majerus and fix prices in one breath something that would be an absolute oxymoron to most economists in purely economic terms what emergency steps should really sell it take right now to move out of this predicament yes. we. i mean we know how to do because there we have. the bubble tool. to go saying. you know we're then a dud. our company and then the produce.

your stool twenty tritos some better per day in two months after the control of the industry were recovered he gained the production to trim miller who better also we recorded all the fires then the first step will be to record it all industry because they ninety percent of our income came from the oil revenue when i when they leave the company into the us who for being at the beginning of the fourteen the pollution was three million. then now it's a one million barrels per day everybody knows the mission management of the oil industry including our partner from true share from china from. everybody know that. they don't have any knowledge about it while you're around that company for more than a day kate you certainly have the experience but how exactly you would recover the

oil industry given the pressure that is put on the news alibied the united states and assuming we are i seem that the western part is the european partners would also fall over the sanctions yeah but that sanctions. snows is known this is. to affect him in that the strong way a work or tree is somebody with the knowledge man that will be able to manage the industry will be able to defeat the sanctions it's not the first time in two thousand day in the us in both sunshine and spill research they will look at any technological assistant any funds of financial assistance but at the tail we are ready to respond we have been ready to respond the problem is that current direction they don't. they don't be ready to do nothing nothing then there is one problem but it's not the only one of only a step to do

a secular step in when we need to take some action to restore is some kind of monetary policy we need to liberate the rate of change and we need to to open the to receive more investment in more. dollars and differing currency the same the first step is that we need to. restore is the internet produce producing now nobody producing nothing inside the courtroom not in this industrial sector no for producing food nobody had them that happen because also in the economical sic to do you need some good and more for a song confidence in the leadership of the country i know that you've also been very vocal about the need to overcome the so-called oil rant ism or the dutch disease and arguably the best time to do that was during the boom years when you

were presiding over the industry what prevented the even as alan leadership at the time from perceiving that it is not too easy we spend the whole three years with some more. olympos for the national companies during all. three twenty then is not easy the prison term is suspended a lot of time first of all to sterilise a new political secondly to create a new legal framework then to to solve the problem in the hewish sorceror parole and we facing a time and then just then the oil industry when prison terms proposed the plan for the home. homeland in my corn tree that's including hope to develop the. economical sectors. not all sectors

in the core to our work we need to move but no you have to work or. you have to recovery the company because you will need to do whatever you want to do you need to record the oil sector now the americans are very open about dire intention to put their hands on the video sale and oil they never actually did before but i think now they are more open about that than ever but what's interesting is that the trumpet ministration in addition to oil has introduced another factor and they are now framing venezuela as a threat to the american national security i'm sure you you saw our secretary of state mike compare. alleging that even his elam government has ties with iran and hizbollah what do you make of that you know that they will declare that they will take the control of oil up in the lead it's not a secret plan for devery some i believe we have to defend our constitution because

in our constitution the current constitution. has claimed the property of the also the property for our national oil company in fact. the opposition. with the brain with decision of. i believe we need to fight we need to. also. program in going to maintain the control of the oil industry now i ask you a lot of questions about the present material let me also fall off with a few questions about the self appointed and interim president who i'm go i don't know the speed with which the americans they trumpet ministration through their support behind him do you think. and up how ping are hurting his standing in the eyes of the even his own people. is just a face. this threat i mean.

when party. people too used to be very of laws against the press and then there you seen tool. to try to capitalize the suster of mud ingo than to pose for the first time in our history saw mr namely wing government in the courtroom. for the country because nobody will be able to impose a new mall. over the board the of the us the chinese more existing us a story a block with a huge quantity of the courtroom then we need to find something. to run the country in the future but that the reason i'm asking is this question is because one russian observer called what's happening in india in venezuela a fight between economic logic and national pride as much as the people may be

frustrated with them a door is economic policies don't you think the american endorsement of quite all makes it far more difficult for the people to reject my dewar because that would be seen as surrendering to the americans of course yes i believe the your duty of the people especially military people they don't will any intermission. there any invasion the inherent in our issues. we have on our various trauma history. so when and if he remembered where the sun from the. then that is in the beam of the conscience of our people we are not going to a low and mean if mother or a surplus suster it is a disaster we're going to resolve by our with our people know with any intervention . now from what i understand for you personally the choice between my door and go i

don't know is really a choice or for worse evil who do you think is more damaging for the country in the long run no everything is war. so we need to do we need to to find another way for that reason i believe that the my your duty of the people. to have some opinion. dissipate we need to restart the democracy in the country and go than do. they way under proposal of christian charities who are trying to do is call for does for my role or from the army sect or asking for the society in god and we are not going we need to stop to go in for any confrontation in the future it's not good for the going to look at this sorry meaning the security concerns with.

the power a lot of how the international police is conducting i don't know. the situation for. my country like syria to my country like iraq to my country and in that case if they try to intervene of our country and to produce. their will spread to colombia spread to work with though because we are together in the same territory the same core to the same people will be a disaster for people now you mentioned the international meddling and i also covered a lot of regime change operations and i think one thing that is different this time around is the lack of unity among the europeans you know that italy just if you days ago disrupted the year european consensus on calling for early elections and i know that. i personally are in favor of file of an early elections and yet you also

strongly oppose foreign interference into the affairs of your country are you more disappointed or excited about the talent position right now no i support the issue of entirely mexico or. they're conducting a meeting just for the moment they we they'll. really good in danger gordon through her star is there something of the elegant. way to go then to find some agreement when we need to do that but us in the meat work before us so free for the scheme in the poor mother and go them to create some tangle by a tree out. in gold and to really solve the source or problem of my people in this . election we are now ready to go for election now we have four meaning of when this will outside the country we have one

that he'll show you money tyrion prices the huge price who would need to stop going to release when you know when the half year to start some condition to go for the election mr ramirez we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your joining us today thank you very much thank you thank you thank you so much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope the series get on the same place same time here on worlds apart.

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