is where should the country move from here to discuss that i'm now joined by rafael ramirez close ally of president chavez and a harsh critic of president nicolas maduro and the opposition leader. mr ramirez it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you. in many western media you're referred to as either former oil czar or hugo chavez's right hand man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. here in europe but. the most important post. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in two thousand and seventeen you accused

him of incompetence and there supreme power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to decide what do you make all file what's happening in and around venezuela right now. our country faces a very deep. crisis in the. economy. in the. no two. presidents. what. we have a problem in the political. economic. team. more than one point seven million.

luxe of the supply of medicines the food they were lewisham all saw the gorman have the straw. which is the most important in the country in the source inside. the our people are suffering because of where our games. after the prison is where no faith in the poverty of our people to miss any of our people. work will suffer in the excellence of our young people. more than four million of people have been left the country if the first time in our history well they put the position often is our is indeed very troubling and i know that you put most of the blame on president maduro and he's lack of competence but for most foreign there is there isn't much difference between let's say the child his administration and the mature administration they're really seen as two sides of the same coin why is it

different from you why why do you put so much blame on my door and seemingly exonerate president chavez entirely i believe that motherhood is not only incompetent. i believe that this government will be the worse for gore and of been a swelling where his story but mainly he's a traitor of the charges. and first of all because. being a teen in gains our constitution or saw a team. especially the. mother who has been destroyed. it is one of the the most powerful company in a work or treat her sponsor of to. produce the oil the main issue for our economy has been deploy all of our social programs that we call. missions. in my country and then.

it's not it's not. it's completely different but mr ramirez i think what you are not imagining is a very sharp change in economic environment between the two administrations president chavez had the benefit of high oil prices while present my dearest friend client side it's been a very sharp decline in their hydrocarbon markets as critical and skeptical as you are of madonna's competence is it fair to blame this crisis a very very deep crisis on him in charley rather than on the whole bali very an economic system believe the pretty. different. during the. remember that when we are the government with the press in charice the oil. the. ten dollar per but then. you need to.

but the most important is that we able to recover the control of the oil industry. also the money. for the industry a good management of the oil industry would be good to get all the revenues from the top in favor of the old economy we. we spend. more years of. growing in economic also in the. now you said in one recent interview that if charis were still alive and if he saw the state of the country today he would have probably mounted a coup d'etat against madura what makes you believe that sure sure because.

no the canonical and saucer situation is even worse. when the prison charice made. in ninety ninety two now it's worse the situation. really believe the charges will be very concerned about the current situation because a mother who has to be conducting a work or two for the suster in the source an economic point of view but also he says been affecting the poor people a mother who has been hitting the they hit the poor people especially our people now is trying to flying a little box with some fought our people is trying to escape the country. open the lid and give our oil sector to the private companies international companies is a disaster is a side to the same reasons why i chose conduct. in nine hundred ninety two now you

clearly have vast drunken actions within that in israel and military would you be willing to be part of such air could you tie against president durand do you think in general any sort of core orchestrated by military or somebody else would be in the interest of your country what limited you let me tell you that i am very clear in my position i mean against any foreign intervention in my country against of the sanctions because completely illegal where we have to reject that but ensured would mother with him have any chance to recover the country both and neither with way though because also with why you don't like him who are you go behind why do or is this three merari when sector in the country also with some support from the us then we believe. we need to farms find some some way so into

mean away sunburns way to avoid the violence. intervention that the right sector to be in the position to the constitution is a what i understood your your position perfectly but let me rephrase my question again have you been in any contact with the venezuelan military recently to discuss possible ways of solving venezuelan crisis yes permanently permanently and have how do you discuss your own the role in that in the resolution of that crisis a great to hear my country has been a worsening from the four years ago how the situation is. a warning. about the economical situation i prepared more than. eighteen documents warning about the situation but nobody wants to hear me i warning at the time how

to protect our own oil company which is the main factor in the economy then are you still in contact with my people still writing i just still making interviews because they believe that we have the opportunity to her solve this problem with the violence you said in the recent interview that you would be even open to run for presidency in your country it seems that you're positioning yourself as a third that alternative between the current president and the leader of the opposition of course yes because i believe that we need to study the constitution to open the political game i mean we have to us can people our people what do you want to do in the future for their recent i believe that i'm ready to to show for the people and the imposition basic. principles but also opened aloof. i'm sure you would agree that this kind of

choice should be left up to the venezuelan people but you know that the international politics is always more complicated than that i know that you have good ties among when israel and international partners first of all russia and china but do you think that americans do you think the europeans are likely to see your candidate sure as a consensus. the consensus for my people when. we have to explain for everybody all the contras the interests of my country in my country that we have to preserve the peace we have to preserve the functioning of the country we have to. low interest. for there is very. current situation for there. that we need to be backing by army now our socialism is extremely difficult system to pull off we the

russians know that better than anyone else. regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr go i don't know mr madeira do you think been is all i can continue or relying on a planned economy going forward will i believe that the plan for. the country in two thousand and twelve was a good we call. for the homeland in. many issues to recovery or work or treat i believe we need to base. to show for our people. again the normality. i believe we need to do all or we're programs in gordon to recovery the situation mr america we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. i. haven't

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given for people. to give the newly married couple what the hell do we. assume alice are shown in jane meanwhile corn would go before. the men not at all not a year or so and i think a lot of us all. welcome to maximize our financial survival guy. looking forward to that's without. junks this is what happens to ventures in britain. watchtowers are referring.

welcome back to pulls apart because rafael premier is at close ally of president chavez and now a presidential hopeful in venezuela. mr ramirez just before the break we started talking about possible ways of recovering the venezuelan economy and you know just a few days ago president when doura gave an exclusive interview chart in which he was asked the same question and he's answer was rather prefer lacson because he talked about markets measures and fix prices in one breath something that would be an absolute oxymoron to most economists in purely economic terms what emergency stuff should we sell it take right now to move out of this predicament yes the most important. economic sense will. we know how to do because the oil is there we have.

two hundred. industry look at the. industry then at the time the opposition. will come out our company and then the producer. you're still twenty tritos some better birthday in two months after the control of the industry will recover the again the production to trim. all. the first step will be to record industry because they ninety percent of our income came from the oil revenue when they leave the company into those who for theme they begin to fourteen the pollution worse three million. then no one. knows the mission management. the oil

industry including our burner from from china from. anybody know. they don't have any knowledge about the well you round up company for more than a day kate you certainly have the experience but how exactly you would recover the oil industry given the pressure that is put on the news alibied the united states and assuming we are i.c.m. that the western partners the european partners would also fall over the sanctions yeah but that sanctions. knows is no necessary. to effect in that the strong way a work or tree is somebody with the knowledge man that will be able to manage the industry will be able to defeat the sanctions it's not the first time in two thousand day in the us in both sunshine and spirits or they will look at any technological assistant any funds of financial assistance but at the time we are

ready to respond we have been ready to respond the problem is that current direction they don't. they don't be ready to do nothing nothing then there is one problem but it's not the only one of only a step to do the second a step when we need to take some action to restore is some kind of monetary policy we need to liberate the rate of change and we need to to open the to receive more investment in more. dollars and differing currency the same the first step is that we need to. restore is the internet produce producing now nobody producing nothing inside the courtroom now in this industrial sector no for producing food nobody had them that helping because also

in the economical sic to do you need some good and more for some confidence in the leadership of the country i know that you've also been very vocal about the need to overcome the so-called oil or rant ism or the dutch disease and arguably the best time to do that was during the boom years when you were presiding over the industry what prevented the then his alan leadership at the time from pursuing that it is not too easy we spend the whole three years with some more. olympos for the national companies during all. three twenty then is not easy the prison term spend a lot of time first of all to sterilise a new political secondly to create a new legal framework then to to solve the problem in the hewish sorceror parole and we facing a time and then just then the oil industry when prison terms proposed

a plan for the home. homeland in my contrary that's including hope to develop the. economical sectors. not all sectors in the core to our work we need to move but no you have to work. you have to recovery of the company because you will need to do whatever you want to do you need to record the oil sector now there americans are very open about dire intention to put their hands on the been a sale an oil they never had it before but i think now they are more open about that than ever but what's interesting is that the trumpet ministry should in addition to oil has introduced another factor and they are now framing venezuela as a threat to american national security i'm sure you you saw our secretary of state mike compare. alleging that even his elam government has ties with iran and

hizbollah what do you make of that you know that they will declare that they will take the control of oil up in the lead it's not a secret plan for devery some i believe we have to defend our constitution because in our constitution the current constitution. has claimed the property of the also the property for our national oil company in fact. the opposition. in starting with the brain with decision of. the. women to fly we need to. also. program. control of the oil industry now i ask you a lot of questions about the present madura let me also fall off with a few questions about the self appointed and interim president who i'm go i don't

know the speed with which the americans the trumpet ministration through their support behind him do you think. and up how ping are hurting his standing in the eyes of the venezuelan people. though is just a face. behind this threat i mean or. when party. people too used to be very of laws against the press and then there you seen tool. to try to capitalize the suster of mud ingo than to pose for the first time in our history saw mr namely a. government in the courtroom that's a done for the country because nobody will be able to impose a new mall. over the border of the us the chinese more existing

us a story a blog we are a huge quantity of the core tree then we need to find something of agreement to run the country in the future but that the reason i'm asking is this question is because one russian observer called what's happening in india in venezuela a fight between economic logic and national pride as much as the people may be frustrated with them adore is economic policies don't you think the american endorsement of quite all makes it far more difficult for the people to reject my door because that would be seen as surrendering to the americans of course yes i believe that the my your duty of the people especially when military people they don't will any intermission. there any invasion the inherent in our issues. we have on our various trauma history. so when and if he remembered where the sun from the. then that is in the beam of

the conscience of our people we are not going to a low and mean if mother is surplus suster it is a disaster when going to her solve by our with our people know with any intervention. now from what i understand for you personally the choice between my door and go i don't know is really a choice or for worse evil who do you think is more damaging for the country in the long run no everything is war. so we need to do we need to to find another way for that reason i believe that the my your duty of the people. to have some opinion to bloat to participate we need to restart. democracy in the country in go than do. they way and the proposal of christian charities who are trying to do is call for

does for my role or from the army sect or asking for the society in god in that we are not going we need to stop to go in for any confrontation in the future it's not good for the going to look at these sorry meaning the security concerns with. the power a lot of how the international police is conducting i don't. like to my country like syria to my country like iraq to my counter in that case if they try to intervene if i were content to produce. there will spread to colombia in spread to work where though because we are together in the same territory at the same core to the same people will be a disaster for everybody now you mentioned the international meddling and i also covered

a lot of regime change operations and i think one thing that is different this time around is the lack of unity among the europeans you know that italy just if you days ago disrupted the year european consensus on calling for early elections and i know that. i personally are in favor of file of an early elections and yet you also strongly oppose foreign interference into the affairs of your country i you more disappointed or excited about the talent position right now no i support the issue of entirely mexico or. they're conducting a meeting just for the moment they they'll. really good in danger in goading through or establish there's something of the elegant. way you can go then to find some agreement when we need to do that but us in the me a work people are so free and for that reason i you ask him in the poor mother in go them to create some

tangle by a tree out. goal or may go then do we solve the source or problem of my people in this. election we are now ready to go for election now we have four meaning of when this will outside the country we have one that he'll show you money tyrion prices they hew should canonical christ who would need to take want to release one year when the half year to start some condition to go for the election mr ramirez may have to leave it there but i really appreciate your joining us today thank you very much thank you thank you thank you so much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope the series get on the same place same time here on worlds apart.

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