zelous former oil czar or hugo chavez says a right hand man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. and here in europe but i cannot disclose for because. under a persecution from the government of venezuela i used to be the oil minister for pretty. years. hundley the most important post in the. hour. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in two thousand and seventeen you accused him of incompetence and disturbing power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to decide what do you make all file what's happening in and around venezuela right now. everybody i sure that everybody sec read that our country faces a very deep. crisis in the political economic and

also in the saucer size in the political side that we have now to serve presidents. mr way though. of. our constitution we have a problem in the political side. of these two guys in the economical size that we are confronting he'll push. more than one point seven million percent. of the supply of medicines the food they were lewisham all saw the gore may have to destroy. the which is the most important in the country in the source inside. our people are suffering because of where our games. is where no faith see. the poverty of our people

the mystery of our people. will suffer and the excellence of our young people. more than four million of people have been left the country if the first time in our history well they put the position often is our is indeed very troubling and i know that you put most of the blame on president maduro and his lack of competence but for most foreign there is there isn't much difference between let's say the child his administration and the mature administration they're really seen as two sides of the same coin why is it different from you why why do you put so much blame on my door and seemingly exonerate president chavez entirely i believe that motherhood is not only incompetent. i believe that this government will be the worst to go around of. were history but many. of the. first two were because. being

a teen. or saw a teen. mother who has been destroyed. it is one of the the most powerful company in the world corn treat her sponsor of two for. the main issue for our economy. being the all of our social programs that we call. missions in my country and then. a thing. a party it's not it's not. it's completely different but mr ramirez i think what you are not mentioning is a very sharp change in economic environment between the two administrations president chavez had the benefit of high. or oil prices while present my dearest

friend quite inside it's been a very sharp decline in the hydrocarbon markets as critical and skeptical as you are of media as competence is it fair to blame this crisis a very very deep crisis on him in charlie rather than on the whole ball is very an economic system i don't believe the pretty. different situation in the. during the old the period remember that when we arrived at the government with the president charice the oil price be. ten dollars per barrel then we recorded the unity inside and then we recorded the press of oil but the most important is that we're able to recover the control of the oil industry the oil also the money. for the oil industry a good management of the oil industry then would be able to get all the revenues

from they all say two in favor of our economy we as we spend and we enjoy more done ten years of corn trees growing in the economic also in the source now you said in one recent interview that if charis were still alive and if he saw the state of the country today he would have probably mounted a coup d'etat against madieu or what makes you believe that sure sure because you know the canonical and source are situation. even war. when the president has made. in ninety ninety two no it's worse the situation. really believe the charges will be very concerned about the situation because a muddle has to be. conducting

a work or two for the suster in the source an economic point of view but also he says been affecting the poor people who has been hitting the the heat the poor people especially our people now is trying to flying a little box with some fought our people is trying to escape the country. open the lid and give our all to the private companies international companies. to do the same reasons why i chose conduct. in nine hundred ninety two now you clearly have connections within that in israel and military would you be willing to be part of such air could you tie against president durand do you think in general any sort of core orchestrated by military or somebody else would be in the interest of your country what will it mean to let

me tell you that i am very clear in my position against any foreign intervention in my country against of the sanctions because. we have to reject that but sure would mother with them have any chance to record in the country both and neither with way though because also with why don't. you go behind white door is this dream when you're in the country also with some support from the us then we believe we need to farms find some some way so into mean a way sun balanced way to avoid the violence. intervention that that the right sector to be in the position to the constitution is what i understood your your position perfectly but let me rephrase my question again have you been in n. we contacted with the venezuelan military recently to discuss possible ways of

solving venezuelan crisis yes permanently permanently and have how do you discuss your own the role in that in the resolution of that crisis a great country has been a worsening from four years ago oh the situation is. a warning. about economic. more than. eighteen documents warning about the situation but nobody wants to hear me warning that the hope to protect our own oil company which is the main factor in the economy then are you still in contact with my people. writing are you still making interviews because they believe that we have the opportunity to her solve this problem with the violence you said in the recent interview that you would be even open to run for

presidency in your country it seems that you're positioning yourself as a third that i'll turn it to between the current president and the leader of the opposition. because. we need to study the constitution to open the. game i mean we have to us can people our people what do you want to do in the future for i believe that i was ready to do show for the people and the. principles but also openly for. the new situation i'm sure you would agree that this kind of choice should be left up to the venezuelan people but you know that the international politics is always more complicated than that i know that you have good ties among venezuelan international partners first of all russia and china but do you think that americans do you think the europeans are likely to see your candidate your. as a consensus what. need

a consensus for my people when. we have to a splaying for everybody all the contras the have so the interests of my country in my country that we have to preserve the peace we have to preserve the functioning of the contrie we have to her star is the economy under the rule of law this is on the interest of everybody for that reason is very done you're the current situation for there is so i believe that we need to be making backing by the army now our socialism is extremely difficult system to pull off we the russians know that better than anyone else. regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr go i don't know mr madeira do you think that is all i can continue or relying on a planned economy going forward will i believe that the plan for the. present to the corner in two thousand and twelve was

a good one we call the plan for their homeland it is a star is the main issues daughter kori the stability of our core tree i believe we need to base on this plan in go than to show for our people the possibility to get again the normality in the quarter i believe that i believe we need to do restart all or we're programs in god into recovery the situation mr america we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. that's right stand higher. from one.

i know a good armor on our show but there are rather democrats that are before us for america. i'm going to let them but i don't question that you. can keep an eye on what i have seen as a channel for truffle that it. doesn't work then i'm modeling my michelle the downside of. the thing the owned model. number set up around the hey how nice doing. good for its whole foods but choice i knew you had an unfair awesome time in syria said. he she ought to have a. model for them after the couple farts around the mr hates it for jim and then

for folks that are fairly mature for. easy money. yes. she'll be. for most. of the day to. own up to me today. it was the set of my life who speculations that me or the. those. now at the. forth that never. seemed like him to make the point of me or the of the marrow have gone floating closer he got bigger of me. when i would.

welcome back to worlds apart but rafael premier is a close ally of president chavez and now a presidential hopeful in venezuela. mr ramirez just before the break we started talking about possible ways of recovering they've been a zillion economy and you know just a few days ago president would do or gave an exclusive interview charting which he was asked the same question and he's answer was rather perplexing because he talked about the markets majerus and fix prices in one breath something that would be an absolute oxymoron to most economists in purely economic terms what emergency steps should be nice will it take right now to move out of this predicament.

because sense will be a. function question ality i mean we know how to do because the oil is there we have the people comparable to people two hundred the oil industry look at this during the to go same to. sabotage in our industry then at that time the opposition. will come out of our company and then the provision full just to twenty crito some better day in two months after the control of the industry will recover he again the production to trim millions of butter and also we recorded all the fires then the first step will be to recover the oil industry because the ninety percent of our income came

from the oil revenue when i or they leave the company in to those who for theme at the beginning of two to fourteen the pollution was three million. then now it's one million of better per day everybody knows the worst mismanagement of the oil industry including our partner from true share from china from every place they know that they turn in board of director they either they don't have any knowledge about the oil sector well you around that company for more than a day kate you you certainly have the experience but how exactly you would recover the oil industry given the pressure that is put on the news alibied the united states and assuming we are i seem that the western part is the european partners would also fall over the sanctions yeah but that sanctions. knows is known this is. a fate in that the strong way our courtroom

is somebody with the knowledge man that will be able to manage the industry will be able to defeat the sanctions it's not the first time in two thousand day in the us in both sunshine and spirits or they will look at any technological assistant any of us financial assistance but at the tail we are ready to respond we have been ready to respond the problem is that current direction they don't. they don't be ready to do nothing nothing then there is one problem but it's not the only one of only a step to do the second a step when we need to take some action to restore is some kind of monetary policy we need to liberate the rate of change and we need to to open the to receive more investment in more. dollars erode certain differing currency

the same the first step is that we need to. kind of star is the internet produce producing now nobody producing nothing inside the courtroom now in this industrial sector no for producing food nobody had them that happen because also in the economical sic to do you need some good and more for a song confidence in the leadership of the country i know that you've also been very vocal about the need to overcome the so-called oil rant ism or the dutch disease and arguably the best time to do that was during the boom years when you were presiding over the industry what prevented the then is alan leadership at the time from pursuing that because it's not too easy we spend the whole three years with some more. olympos for the national companies during all. three twenty then is not easy the prison term spend a lot of time first of all to sterilise

a new political secondly to create a new legal framework then to to solve the problem in the hewish sorceror parole and we facing a time and then just then the oil industry when prison terms proposed a plan for the home a. homeland in my contrary that's including hope to develop the. economical sectors. not all sectors in the core to our work we need to move but no you have to work. you have to recovery the company because you will need to do whatever you want to do you need to record the oil sector now there americans are very open about dire intention to put their hands on the venue sale an oil they never had before but i think now they are more open

about that than ever but what's interesting is that the trumpet ministry in addition to oil has introduced another factor and they are now framing venezuela as a threat to american national security i'm sure you you saw our secretary of state mike compare. alleging that even his elam government has ties with iran and hizbollah what do you make of that you know that they will declare that they will take the control of oil up in the lead it's not a secret plan for devery some i believe we have to defend our constitution because in our constitution the current constitution. has claimed the property of the also the property for our national oil company in fact. the opposition. starting with the pre with decision of. the. women to fly we need to. also. program.

control of the oil industry now i ask you a lot of questions about the present madura let me also fall off with a few questions about the self appointed and interim president who i'm go i don't know the speed with which the americans they trumpet ministrations through their support behind him do you think it and up how ping or hurting his standing in the eyes of the even his own people. is just a face. behind this threat i mean. when party. people too used to be very of law against the president then they are using tool. to try to capitalize suster of mud ingo than to pose for the first time in our history saw mr namely

a. government in the courtroom. for the country because nobody will be able to impose a new mall. over the border of the us the chinese more existing us a story a blog we are a huge quantity of the courtroom then we need to find something of agreement to run the country in the future but that the reason i'm asking is this question is because one russian observer called what's happening in india in venezuela a fight between economic logic and national pride as much as the people may be frustrated with the mentor is economic policies don't you think the american endorsement of quite all makes it far more difficult for the people to reject my door because that would be seen as surrendering to the americans of course yes i believe that the my your duty of the people especially when military people they don't. any. mean there any invasion the

inheritance in our issues. we have on our various trauma history. so when and if he remembered where the sun from the. then that is in the beam of the conscience of our people we are not going to a low and mean if mother or a surplus suster it is of the world going to her solve by our with our people no with any intervention. now from what i understand for you personally the choice between my door and go i don't know is really a choice or for worse evil who do you think is more damaging for the country in the long run no everything is war. so we need to do we need to to find another way for that reason i believe that the my your duty of the people. to have some opinion to both were still

participate we need to restore. democracy in the country in go than do. they way and the proposal of christian charities who are trying to do is call for does for my role or from the army sect or asking for the society in god in the we are not going we need to stop to go in for any confrontation in the future it's not good for the going to look at the sorry meaning the security consume with. the power a lot of how the international police is conducting i don't. like to my country like syria to my country like iraq to my counter in that case if they try to intervene if i were content to produce.

their will spread to colombia spread to work where though because we're together in the same territory at the same court at the same people will be a disaster for people now you mentioned the international meddling and i also covered a lot of regime change operations and i think one thing that is different this time around is. the lack of unity among the europeans you know that italy just if you days ago disrupted the year european consensus on calling for early elections and i know that. you personally are in favor of of an early elections and yet you also strongly oppose foreign interference into the affairs of your country i your more disappointed or excited about the talent position right now no i support the issue of interleaved mexico or. they're conducting a meeting just for the moment they we they'll. really good in danger in goading.

there's something of the elegant. way you can go then to find some agreement when we need to do that but us in the me a work people are so free and for that reason are you asking him in the poor mother in go them to create some tangle by a tree out. in gold and do we solve the source or problem of my people in this. election we are now ready to go for election now we have four meaning of when this will outside the country we have one that he'll show you money tyrion prices the huge crowds who would need to stop going to release when you know when the half year to start some condition to go for the election mr ramirez we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your joining us today thank you very much thank you thank you thank you so much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope to see you get on the same place same time here

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a chance to just meet them mashed on. this trip the president and please introduce them to. your positions because it looks for some snow to come up to new york because that is the cousin with you for his supporters to go she shouldn't for you should cook door for the one who's doing. a yellow various protester loses his her clashes with police or as the anti-government movement turns to the streets for a third consecutive weekend to condemn the policies of money or background. plus some on the week's biggest stories with venezuela's humanitarian crisis

worsening the country's opposition.