or u.s. troops to remain in iraq has concerned baghdad and anger tehran how will balance out ever in say interests here without forgetting its own i ask former iraqi prime minister. as a rock the rubble after the bloody war with isis the countries american and iranian allies are locked in a confrontation with each other each pressuring baghdad to join this side of the internally divided and unstable iraq a food to join another fight libya able to preserve the hard won internal peace with the quarrel between washington and to run the country apart. hi there are led by the former iraqi prime minister welcome to the show it's great to have you with us on our program today so mr i love it donald trump has recently said that he wants to u.s. troops in iraq to quote watch iran obviously that's caused an uproar in baghdad was iraqi politicians condemning trump in unison the direct really do anything about it

can they dictate terms to washington. well is this is a very unfortunate because there is standing an agreement that they distance of foreign troops including u.s. forces here in iraq is to help the iraqi government fight terrorism it's no i job or foreign troops to spy on our neighbors or he was a springboard i guess i would never this is not in our constitution iraqi constitution this is not part of the whole of this operation number of u.s. troops in iraq are limited they don't have free movement in iraq they have to move with that a concept of the iraqi government they don't have for their own they don't control the sky and if light in iraq or outside iraq should be able to figure out a government so i think the whole thing is outside the scope of that issue between

the two countries is very unfortunate kin rocky forces maintain security on their own if i die it shows america the door. well iraqis give a fuck if isis to fight dies should the people who fought on the ground are all iraqis yes we receive support to suffer from our allies from international coalition and from the rest of our friends in terms of the just take in terms of training and in terms of providing some air cover to support our forces but in actual fact the only forces war fighting on the ground are iraqis yes we can sustain this bio or no on but. i think this is not trite toes and is an international phenomenon is an international terrorist organization or not only have faith in iraq but throughout the whole world so it is right for the countries to cooperate to face this in me and to question them and i think we

have to work together so yes we have to work with others in order to get rid of this. together so they had of a shia militia groups that they iraq has capital ships if needed are the iraqi militias fired up enough to actually come to blows with the u.s. forces in the country. well according to the iraqi constitution there's no place for militias in the country by militias i mean groups who are outside the control of the state this is against the state i guess they are key people should not be allowed we didn't i would not allow it if they give him a swat out acting outside of this did they will be they name is off air lock they should not be about inside job aczel post to the other on the groups who are within the state we have the me we have the police we have the public mobilization force will have been now organized by the law which is by parliament which is applicable

now to the. public will but as dition force within the framework of the iraqi security update this. they are answerable to the commander in chief and to the rest of the screwed up i just if you ask me do we give immense order to ms to outside the control of the state to act in iraq no we shouldn't this is outside the iraqi i guess they are closed against the will of the people is not out in iraq so the calls for the u.s. withdrawal were also sparked by the fact that during his surprise visit in the december president trunk didn't bother to meet any iraqi officials is this insult something that could have long term repercussions for u.s. or rocky ties well i guess. it is i mean if according to mr trump is this is his will he wanted to visit his troops during christmas. this is his own decision on the other side they rock

a government gave permission to mr trump to visit his troops. and said in western i don't bottle in my opinion this was not good as properly i think from day one it should be and it had been organized in a way for of fish. iraqi government officials to meet the president of the us when he comes to iraq the meeting could have been done in baghdad but i think. it may be mismanagement which has to get to this this was unnecessary at all it has poisoned the ship slightly but i hope we should move forward and forget about the same time during the crucial stages of the war against isis united states air power came to iraq's aid and helped iraq retake muscle juicing that it's a bit ungrateful from the iraqi politicians to be blaming the americans now and

bragging about iraqi independence i mean what everyone was so happy to receive in its time of crisis not what i wanted them out back then. i mean this is a habit of politicians in every country i mean they look at the day to day running of the country. of course they were trying to support from their constituents i think of autonomy is true that our allies they stood with us to fight that. doesn't mean that you give a blank a blank check to who. has helped us yes we have to be grateful for those who stood with us but on the same time over this very important. the war the war is over if there is no need for the troops to stay in iraq then there's no need but if there is a need we should think we should discuss in our parliament with the government and

with our political blocs decide what is the best for iraq. what we're going to apply is what is the best for iraq we don't have any hostility to those who helped us to get it. turkey has bases in northern iraq set up during the fight against isis from which it fights to kurds now we hear iraqi politicians protesting america's presence loud and clear but they're not so vocal about the turkish bases where step crying from the shia militias about that i mean is to iraqi restaurant condemning americans just an attempt to look tough and anti us for voters maybe well i think it's has become like a war of proxies you know there is hostility between the u.s. . it is a matter of proxies here in iraq where every side is using their proxies as if i think his each other yes i agree there are a few turkish military bases that they did so some of them they did back to the

time or the days of saddam hussein when he was in power in the eighty's during the iran iraq war and later on. of course we should not accept any military the existence of foreign forces without the consent of the iraqi government i think in my opinion i do with you we must be partial on this issue to be double standards. after all we are part of this region. disagreement between states especially between iran and the states it has its impact on us my call on my colleagues and pulls the full establishment here in iraq is we should confine our a lot of interests in that for the answer for the people of sort of iraq we should not be part of any proxy towards this or that so back in two thousand and seventeen you announced to make syria over isis in iraq but i says have still happen every

day in the country and the group still holds a chunk of desert in the northwest was your optimism. a little premature how long is it before isis is rooted out completely if that's ever possible. yes if you look after to says us of a i was very careful i said we crushed militarily we liberated or. doesn't hold any targets. and they don't. hold in their holding some. in the north east in syria which is bordering iraq which is very dangerous because if given a chance they can go back to terrorism at the moment. the danger is that they're trying to wage some. terrorist attacks against the civilians inside iraq if they haven't succeeded yet with that we strengthen our intelligence at the time. there is if you have to. go on. a campaign of terrorist attacks

against civilians and i hope our military and our security and intelligence are up to it they were up to it and if they should carry on with dismantling this is very dangerous to them as ition this is not only against iraq is against the holy shit against the world if given a chance so should stay focus until we eliminate this. to go to. the states has a relationship with iraq and neighboring iran has a ration relationship with iraq but united states and iran are rivals can iraq over between these two centers of power and. its own independent tact or will it have to choose a later. choice is clear we have to have the longest border with iran the u.s. doesn't happen to have a border with a with a on i'm sure if. they were with will they would have thought differently how to

deal with iran when you are a neighbor state you have to look at your interests the common interest between the two nations we cannot move away from our near but they can. or away from us so there's. trade. a lot of. interest between our two nations and two states we have to safeguard our own interests we shouldn't be party to this. disagreement. with us to be honest with you this is a nuclear agreement between the five plus one members of the world community. has decided to walk outof it. we why should we be for this and we should be for our interests i would issue with very important for us a war with us is very important for us if we can achieve

a common interest between the two we should be very much focused on this norm not to allow any part you to drug us along the wrong direction all right thank you very much we'll take a short break right now we'll be back with the former prime minister of iraq discussing the past present and future of the country and its fragile relations with the united states stay with us. join me every week on the. politics for

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current situation in iraq so the militias fought ice's whether help advisors military equipment all of that and the americans keep saying that this is all iran's influence tools and the country is that so. saying you know we didn't have any i have to be c.e.o. of this we didn't have any fighting force iranian fighting force on iraq each other . all we have we dealt with the rest of the countries we just all. we got our devices and trainers to our forces we needed that because if you remember two thousand and fourteen into iraq which led to then gaining control over a large target shelf iraq some of our army as jewish traditions has collapsed so we have to seek support we have to seek training other logistical support from other countries and we did this this doesn't give influence to this country or about and

we hope it doesn't we have to be careful here in iraq we don't want to lose ourselves. by fighting daschle did try darvish we want to get back i was seventy and we have to state that this is for the best interests. and for the best interests of our neighbors and the rest of the international community we are very focused on this now if the u.s. sees this as an iranian influence i disagree with them this is none of us they are reigning unfortunately look at the u.s. presence in iraq and again this is u.s. interests on trying to drag iraq into the other direction of being against iran we should be against iran when no i guess they were as we are again into feeding into our own affairs and we're out of pro iraq interest or mutual interest between iraq and the rest of the world so the rise of isis was largely fueled by the

current population against a government could the current empowerment largely shia armed force one that's difficult to control results in more sunni outrage. well we should revert back to sixty minutes in which was a disease. which has to be gable to run over the last two or three for one country i think we have succeeded to reestablish our security forces and armed forces as a national force which are now trusted by our population of gulch. the population and their liberty to the area where happy with this and we should continue along along this now any deviation from this is very dangerous as this. kind of faith in our own national unity and counter lead to another upheaval. we i have been very careful and during my term as a prime minister our commander in chief to make sure that the screws the forces on

forces our seventh population protecting the population are they belong to the population there is no sectarianism or ethnicity in our armed forces they belong to the country and the protector of the country validation of yours will liberate if you. should stay as they are ideal with you if they are militias are said to state on trying to act outside the state this is very dangerous because this will give rise to another of those organizations we should old united be united against it. recently united kingdom pledged to forty million dollars in the assistance package to iraq to bolster its economy and reduce its reliance on iran and that's how the u.k.'s middle east minister put it but trade between iraq and iran runs into the tens of billions of dollars can forty million make a difference as are true to that i mean how dependent is iraq on iran in terms of its economy. well it is no dependents i think today but are countries that is in

order benefit and that benefit drive trade between the two countries we cannot stop this trade the majority of this trade is by private sector of i don't think is the job of the government to stop the private sector from being active this is a benefit to our own citizens thought on private sector of the benefit to the again to the population of iran this is a mutual interest we should encourage it through the payment of course as i said in my press conference when i was prime minister of we can all deal with before the thought of is a us currency and the us federal is controlling that the currency is so nice of us nor the opinions can use that currency between us we can use other currencies european has what we did or some tools which can we can utilize to avoid the sanctions against iran i think well abiding by our own interests of the interest of the rest of the states we don't want it sanctions to be applied against iraq

because this would be very harmful to we have to put the interest on this but at the same time we're not acting proxies for this country to apply sanctions i guess another country we're not party to this and we shouldn't why are iraqi running economic ties such a concern for. the united states why do they care so much. well i think they have a problem with iran iranian of evolution from day one. although this. thing. moves off forty years ago so there's a problem a finger they have a problem with the on they want to curtail iran they want to contain iran they think and have an issue with the on it is harmful to them but of course every country is right to look at this on its as they're looking at their own it's us we should look at what i wanted to say as well so i think it countries compete towards achieving their interests on who should compete with others to achieve our

interests. but when you look at it on the other hand to think iraq actually benefits from this tensions between iran and the west from a situation where everyone is interested in buying influence i mean those subsidies will come in handy at some point one day who is well i'm not sure about this i know competition is good but conflicts are bads conflicts will lead to the loss of your own resources look at what country it was that each it was different look what the previous regime has done has involved us into wars into regional conflicts and we lost sight of that our wealth was lost yes just arrived at our own wealth was your story our own country we don't believe in conflicts we we believe in competition competition is healthy and good if is that done according to the right . to buy that sort of issue ship and to respect the sovereignty we don't mind

competition of fact without welcome it but we're out against i guess conflicts of his causes war causes loss so for for sources on we don't want to be in that camp we're not party to this so iraq is still considered one of the most corrupt countries in the world and former iraqi national security advisor who. told me that corruption taints all levels of government all areas of politics. right now the current prime minister i did he has a supreme anti-corruption council what are they guarantees that this body. and corruption itself. well i think this is very important which it really was established during my. i had the last meeting in two thousand and eighteen and i think it is the prime minister i've carried on with it with someone if it isn't for it which i think is very good is important to have some approaches which would

oversee how we should compact corruption corruption is it you have to combat it by making people away by indictment by education in by in acting in euros by bringing all resources to fight corruption i think the most dangerous corruption is both the corruption. is they take part in that corruption they use their position in the state to advance their own interests against the interests of the people this is very dangerous we have to i think we have to make sure that we commence a war on acts as opposed to sions in iraq and we should do that to stop this corruption corruption is a culture if you don't stop this culture you cannot fight corruption you have to put the right procedures to fight corruption it shouldn't be used used against political enemies is this will lead to the wrong thing in actual fact if it did lead to more corruption i think we should very. they should be very partial in

fact of corruption they have to fight the essence of corruption we have sought to disperse each other but to take time till it shows this is old i hope the kind of government will be successful in fighting corruption the core of corruption and the results will appear playthings. so it was during your two newer one kurdistan voted to become independent from iraq in two thousand and seventeen you called the referendum results void and imposed a slight ban over the region back then and so the declaration kind of just fizzled out if the independence talk makes a comeback in arab real will iraq commit to military action to bring the kurds back into line well is i think we are a part of us in this country and we when you take decision as of this you have to consult the other party is not right. that you take that selection we're living in

the same country where i was living in the same region we have many ties my my. my answer to our. partners in this country is that we should wait to get. if you want to achieve positions and get power and get benefits so that you would walk towards independence it doesn't work because this will not establish trust between the kids region and the rest of our we have to establish trust you have to decide you are part of this nation part of this country you have to take that final decision and then in the forward then we are part of those in everything but kurdistan's prime minister natur man barzani told me that a dog neglects the needs of the kurds and that it doesn't treat them fairly in the federal state should the kurds expect any change in baghdad's attitude towards them now. well i think this is the solution as i said i think it is there is

no way other than coming back to back that for our kids citizens i think they have been very eager to build that issue with it or neighborhood countries but you know about our neighbors the establishing i could just state because they don't allow independent or even sunni scimitar to most attend almost they could just share a region in their own country so but in iraq where our affairs are part of our country they have the time on the stage and working with them within the framework of for the state the federal state has for this its own authority on the regions they have their own authority we should and we can the federal authority on that count over the region and we should then we can get a general background of the federal state that's how we'll put out how we work out and i think we have been very successful at the end of two thousand and seventeen up with i was and they'd seen we as a relationship we opened the airports of the region of kurdistan we opened the

trade again and i think it we have to build on these trains going back to the referendum and trying to again it will backfire i can tell you. all right thank you very much for the send site we were talking to hi there are a lot about the former prime minister of iraq discussing the fragile balance of powers in the country that's it for this edition of sophie and call see you next time. manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes

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