twenty fijian. invested over five billion dollars to assist you in these and other it will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. opponent welcome to worlds apart history if we are to believe mark twain doesn't repeat itself. thirty years after the collapse of the soviet system and the global changes it then it's hard not to see the transformations in the western world in the same light put we now will be witnessing the final acts of the cold war three day case

after everybody thought it was over to discuss that i'm now joined by somebody could have gotten out of this world economy and into the us low relations the hard school of economics in moscow. so good to talk to you thank you very much for granting us some time. with you now no historical parallels is perfect but to my russian i there simply too many similarities between nineteen eighty nine and two thousand and nineteen because the reagan man i'm now back in power in the united states we're hearing a lot of talk about the systemic crisis and institutional paralysis of the of the now the union european union you of all people must be having a feeling of deja vu all. that is of course a repeat of the cold war. historian of the cold war i could i could endlessly look both the parallels by the. we the people who are now. the helm of the u.s.

administrations are the old cool cold worriers of the reagan era and they repeat the recipes of the reagan one line by one lane which is extremely funny. and one where it finished back in the in the ninth with the so who cold war was a period in history. would have called the cold war a situation in the in the twenty's and thirty's that whole war has finished now but then it was not finished because it was not finished by treaty and by general understanding and it. between the form our competitors. once i decided that it had one or the other side on their wheels russia and if one back in the meantime because the. other side to be believed that each

one and forever they believed that china would eventually become like well like them and june the west which was an absolutely after arabia now. it may seem like a very stupid comparison but i sometimes think that there is some things are common that internal trump and mikhail gorbachev and the way they call bluff and our own systems for example gorbachev called it glasnost for trumpet's twitter but on the ultimately doing the same thing no. government show i didn't understand his system and govern actually ended the system i mean trump and he's an enemy of my country because he's country b. decided to be an enemy of my country is trying to revamp. his system and he will succeed does he understand his sister well because the popular opinion of trump is that he is an ignoramus who can a string. he doesn't understand anything but he does not want to understand

everything especially he doesn't want to understand the prevailing liberal who to include views of most of the leaves which failed bitterly and he for better who are. returning to normal to normalcy but he's of course very picturesque person so i mean he says a lot of who will well let's not discuss he's more and more how he comes across i mean that's the way the world really is moving united states in the right direction from a point of view american if i were were an american i would have moved now in direction the more i learned about globalization and how it affects the american specifically them merican system which is far more important oriented than other economies the more wonder why didn't the american system produce somebody like him with that set of economic ideas before because if you look at the economic indicators the

shrinking of the middle class trade deficit employment data etc. some sort of the backlash against globalization ought to have existed long before why did it take so long. actually even obama and it was a backlash already came with a more or less interest lean not. the same. as don't trump he was a moment with absolutely i mean he had medical care medical aid which was very liberal but other than that restoration of the united states returning back. jobs and cutting for a moment. that was his message but the elite didn't commit him and that's why the courage and now is so hard i mean when you talk about the elites do you mean political elites or the economic elites of mobo the people that was part of

the comic elite which has become globalized in front of the nation in the interest of the united states story and also the intellectual elite and a lot of political will be but and most of the intellectually became. enthralled by. we mean by the fact that everybody was listening to them it was a pleasant time for them and now it has finished wasn't just this vanity that you described or was it a real material interest in sustaining the system that allows american economy to grow only for the very very selected few know it was a remote part of the united states which benefits from. that kind of globalization but. other america the real america the core american software and also some of the industries so for including him sort of the military industrial complex which is

now turning back and then turning some of the core industries which are turning back and they supported. mr trump he's not president of a middle class a little middle class he's also a president very important part of u.s. elite in his later state of the union address trump railed against socialism and the new left politics but i think if you look closely we will see that the origins of the dot phenomenon in the political phenomenon the united states has a lot of similarities with trump is because ultimately i think it's also a response against. an economic system which. frees the while from any constraints by by and they should state and any social responsibility how do you see these battle between the globalism and national economic nationalism out with or without their changing changing the balance and it's

a proper change of the bowels and in his. in his statement they didn't so the congress which was amazing by the way exactly. i was in thrall he's not my favorite ten but he did do well and he was the winner he exactly said what most of america who are majority of americans want to call him it was very well received by the american public even measure and that's why that's why i mean probably he will be in. may even in the medium term but then he will be supplanted depend or will go back and he and others would not need. any more says so is russia by the way because they need it only for carolling the ruling class and the elites now all oh they are already starting to see that i don't know if you saw the latest news the i think it was the standard foreign intelligence committee

concluded that there was no hard evidence of trying to call parading with the russians in any way two years old absolutely falsified lice is an. i mean term nice enough and there's no truth and but there is a basic interest they needed an enemy. against whom to organize and. home to use against the elite again. home to use against the trump who was in on them. so that's why i am relatively optimistic medium term because they will solve the internal problems including taking control over social media. and always. i got free in the previous decade and was one of the reasons why the old elite a lost control over the political process so you seem to believe that the elites in the end will prevail you think they will take them

a little different so they will be different and they will prevail i. am sure as they always prevailed in the history of the native state except for civil war in the nineteenth century but they will change and of course trump will change them and. those movies which have been there for in one thousand and two thousands will be what saddam or bush to cite. i know that one of your professional interest is china and the top administration very abruptly changed american policies of china and if we re people like michael pillsbury of the hudson institute we can see that it's just the beginning do you think the americans can really contain china at this point economically contain it or is it too little too late to think about it now it does not trump. cheney's mood was that. during a bomb and during which they were never acted on it oh no that. was was

a good bunch of he was never ready to act and the move was that. the united states will continue to. buy the poles of hard containment for the time being yes. again a few years from now let us see because in the end it is a losing game because as the game as the game against russia. it was seemingly victorious because russia had the soviet union had to face a west. and the face change them. two enemies now russia and china are together and the world is absolutely different so united states will have to fight. a long fight and they were the bone to lose eventually but i don't want anybody to lose because when somebody loses there was a revenge which is happening now we are turning back i heard you say that this

rivalry between china and the united states me all for russia a unique capability of being a so-called free radical having more room for maneuver than the other two don't you think that moscow would have to have a much better relationship with her than first of all china is and should be a close friend and some. but that doesn't mean that who should be absolutely. linked. to any chinese policy and five years from now i believe that even that is these at the census there will be somewhat more of an opportunity for us to do with them we will not be on the chinese. as a chinese we were on to a soviet. times but to have a lot of. maneuver and that is a. basic idea of russian for impulse it is building the huge duration.

partnership with buzz bringing bustle you are bringing in others not necessarily. american but russia will be the no than your. playing not only in the triangle russia. china united states but also in several others and. we. watching restriction of random pars and like turkey iran india i mean the arab states are becoming more influential the only part of allah this into which is getting weaker is europe but we will hit or come over and out more in the second part but they you mentioned kissinger and i know that you are on friendly terms with him the typical line in the united states is that russia has played a poor hand relatively well what if you know what is he's.

janeen opinion on how well the united states plays its hand now and i haven't heard first of all when our friend but we are so i mean i have a lot of conversations i've had a lot of conversations and i believe he's the number one thinker in the world foreign policy i think he is bitter well sometimes somebody being bitter makes you feel good let's put this way i think that it is better to win with a bright man than to lose with the stupid man. the brave man in the united states and in the west of losing while a mystic are going to have to take a short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. i've been saying the numbers mean something they've matter us is over twenty trillion

dollars in debt more than ten white collar crimes happen each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent market saw a thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred trades per second per second and one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars industrial park but don't let the numbers over with. the only number you need to remember in one one business show you know for a minute the one and only boom but. half. simply begin. to set up have been miles from absolute. depends on the us that's where the gist of that statement because. i was up at

a saw me today. it was the set of my limit was speculation that may or the now with jamie has a hunk of those. now at the five day but because a lot of money but that never. seem to let him to make the point of me or the in the middle have gone folding clothes are geared up to grab me as the so c. is when i would. welcome back to worlds apart crystal dean of the school world economy and

international relations at the heart school of economics in moscow mr going to be talked about the americans let's switch our attention to the europeans just a few days ago george soros rode the big old path warning that the european union was walking into a sleepwalking into oblivion and explicitly compare the european later shift to the soviet politburo issuing. meaning less non-executive orders what do you make of this comparison between the e.u. and the u.s.s.r. . by george soros of all people mr soros is an enemy of my country but sometimes he makes good judgement your group with him no. but to hew sometimes makes good judgements but more specifically about this matter for that he makes that. the european union has become. almost a victim of of its own success. only with this way first of all i mean i am not

happy about the seat of europe because the it is beautiful it is going down full time being but russian culture of these europe and we need europe as a partner and even as a country bones in the in the big game which we are entering of in the twenty first century. so saying that not only success these were also very bitter mistakes brought about by ideology call. logical mistakes and beliefs i heard you say before that contrary to popular opinion americans americans the way they act. is understandable and predictable from the russian point of view but the european behavior is inexplicable when you think about the european interest can you elaborate more on that one. well first of all. make

a stand. i couldn't win the fight europeans because them they have made me in so many terrible mistakes and brutal one of the greatest. and of international relations in human history european union would have been the great city on the hill if with words to survive i don't think it will. but. europeans unfortunately have. been victimized by seventy years of. not thinking not working hard. and also relying on somebody else. they have been relying on in secured in political terms you know in the soviet union by the way or in the united states and. from the new world we still try to reach out to the europeans and there are some signs that for example

germany in sa ways reciprocate i'm sure you've been heard many times about this recent news about germans success in fighting off a tax on the north stream popular is that more than example of europe developing more muscle to these germany developing the muscles and very unfortunately the developing world muscle but i think they are coming to senses and i hope that in several years. we will have a new approach from but absolutely different bases it is not rushing to greeting with europe and it is it will be probably europe russia. and should countries building together something. new larger eurasian unity mean russia is a very senior member in comparable stronger than europe and while that's a very bold statement the story about its business a statement is it is that they can all make we are they agree that russia still

suffering and you are one of the people who i know very well that we're suffering we are not very effective all kind of reasons but in committed to power. we are. twice as strong as you. i mean europe is not even counted in the. in the calculations of will powers now which is by the way the blue book mistake of european friends and is not good for russia your son hasn't for russia intially no but i mean who in the calculations of power question they'd say from china russia then maybe india then japan but europe is no where when the americans talk about the european union this in popular terms they they or they often say that it's some kind of a peace mechanism that allowed the europeans to leave and will left we've after the

two very bloody wars do you buy this explanation and do you think these kind of tensions that we are still under american a clinician it is truth you believe it's true i know a european union him was building. on two a.d.'s one is to end worse. it's basically men want to be one of the half to end wars and be in europe the second was i mean partially to cannot contain the soviet union but it was i mean the second radia and they have already issued these ideas and that's where they started to disintegrate and. dissipate because when they had an opportunity in the eighty's and the ninety's to find a new grand idea they failed because they were lazy then largemouth seems like a very good idea why wasn't it success it was absolutely i mean it was

a recipe for disaster there were several the made several few mistakes one is martin too fast too for others it was europe without. central economic leadership. there were other three or four things which they have made because they believed that they were winning and i was it is very dangerous to believe that you would do you think the tensions that iran are seeing among some european. countries the rebellion against the collective action that we see on the part of italy or sometimes hungary or. is it likely to transform into a real antagonism and militarized back and is one of the not yet the but i'm very much concerned about the general rouge of the european union which is long term and they hope there will somehow be able to go back to the

state of the union in the eighty's and ninety's. because if they don't do that they will start to crumble and then we will have a europe we have for centuries and that is a terrible idea of course russia is strong but europe which is fighting we're. the tension with each other is and has been through history of the quagmire of the world. i think you would agree with me that russia would not be able to improve its relationship with europe without solving the ukrainian crisis and you have a very interesting theory of the underlying reasons for it you believe that it was an attempt to prevent europe from turning to the east is that right. ukrainian crisis is i don't think i think it's not if you were i think i know of one of the attempts i mean creating the euro. crisis when and by certain forces within that state and then you were in preventing europe good to go to least that

you know that even if you were the ukrainians we would disagree with. them so i'm not. i know. because they know it because they know these people who did that. who will. be a problem for the next couple of decades until. or this is the gate until it is either the dissolved or the problem was settled between the election european nations one of your colleagues mitri of training of the carnegie moscow center wrote recently that in order to solve the ukrainian crisis russia will have to all for gathering people instead of gathering lance his ideas that russia should offer an expedited path to citizenship for eastern ukrainians if they want to while facilitating the reincorporation of that territory into ukraine proper do you agree with that one of those could be one of the settlements one of the elements of the

second there are others that but i don't think that issue could be settled it is a long term almost to the vision the men who have in ukraine. a failing state with an elite which is unable to run and i don't think it can be settled and i guess the final question the collapse of the soviet union had a major impact on the russian psyche it was. humiliation national humiliation to some extent but i think it also a problem to a great degree of self reassessment and in some ways russians are more humble but they are also more realistic they're more proud on saw in certain ways and. rightfully proud of of themselves do you think that kind of transformation of will happen to the west as well do you think there will ever a band of americans out of the missile but we assume the process of rebuilding itself by the way and the west healthy have failed so. proposed

western resurrection should be waited for thirty forty years over the e.u. would agree with the many of our problems are psychological it's not only strategic disagreement but also an issue of how wartime oh of course but there were also very basic and so strategic disagreement we couldn't have for you the ukraine to me . and it was it would have been. no cause a war so. now but looking back and returning to a question i must say one of them many competitive advantages of russia we have weaknesses too is that we have lead. some of the failer and their selection i must say with. more cunning brighter. and open backed. and increasingly more self-confident and their absolute bonuses are going to it's

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