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we love the jeans but they need to bring borken back and so see all of us would agree cds that was when to agree in gordon says it looks like a place of hope i would like to someday visit well i hope you get the chance wendy and finally gabriel says art is amazing and the building and of course cable segment the wonderful un city in copenhagen alex had the opportunity to have a look created last week. and i for the first in a series of shows which present breaks it but from a european perspective this week we hear from the british dexa tears in here that next week we hear from the european the mayor is that now back to alex in brussels . back in brussels i'm off to talk to stephen wolf one so you can pay me the most i think as an independent and an excellent position to judge the state of the negotiations. still wall for you have a fantastic position to comment on that the state of the black as we call it in
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scotland has an independent member the european parliament no longer member you can you can take i over what's happened so stephen or as well i think everyone agrees a mess it's a real disaster in terms of geopolitics the way that other countries are looking at britain on a macro politics in the way that you're managing the government well here in the european parliament is the sense of being stunned by other m.e.p. on other countries about how a nation that they respect very deeply who they've had a long historical connection with and has been unable and incapable of projecting every week clear message to the european negotiator so why is that why of the last two years from a political point of view been so desolate in effect of and communicating what exactly the government wanted i think is because there wasn't any real desire by the establishment in london be those the civil servants who had to keep their eye
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over the negotiations in the policy papers the team that surrounded to reason may not withstanding david davis softer stories in john davis i mean think of it david and experienced european negotiator for amy passed an intelligent affected respected politician it was the bracks. why wasn't david davis able to impose some order in the chaos because i think behind him people like ali robbins and those who were in those teams were not on the on par with the deal the robins is a civil servant this is the kind of eminence gillies of the negotiations shadowy figure behind the scene has been the. the u.k. civil service objective that i thought of they had a civil service objective the conservative government object well there are those who said there have and there are those who accuse the civil service of being in cahoots with a kind of institutional europeanized intelligentsia and that is they've been used to forty years of dealing with civil servants in the commission they can work out
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the deals amongst themselves and politicians here have very little hand in how the rules and laws are made so it suits them it helps them it's their own fiefdom in many ways if you think they were trying to the vast place i think they were trying to do two things first of all delay and deny and put it in such a position that britain never actually left on paper we still remain part of the customs union single market rules regulations so that in the future another government would have it easy going to able to come back and so i was there trying to favor some sort of halfway house where it would be easy to get back into the tent. my metaphors. are the prime minister in all of this i mean you know there were davis may be circumvented by the civil service but when the prime ministers play a month of biology she should be able to dictate of agenda why which of these are me to say is in that she's a newborn black city keeping faith with a referendum keeping faith with the millions of votes for blacks why hasn't she
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been able to impose a will what i didn't think she understood is the power of the kind of patriarchal pay trish and conservative parties who are truly behind remain those who are backed like the previous prime minister's john major and his team to work behind the scenes to first of all oust her team her close team and they got rid of a chief of staff and the head of communications and replaced them with david livingston and others who were deep remain it's then they attacked. david davis gave the position where he had to resign the same with boris johnson and now she's trapped with the civil service as i mentioned you don't want to leave create the situation where we can come in and conservative remain a politicians who are pushing every day we project fear concerns about our government way that we look city she no longer feels comfortable to be able to oppose and the only thing she's got is the belief in public service to maintain please i'm a signed up to the deal that got the jacketed than
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a historic vote in the westminster part of the by two under their to. the parliament to westminster this best on this issue disputatious unlike school here prince unleased still got the governing heart i mean you know it's not a great negotiating tactic to say if you don't give us more then more will go hand in hand off the cliff we have a remain a parliament that is supported by remain as in control of government policy effectively in the cabinet with the remainer sitting there is the head of the house in mr bercow controlling even those who have the right to submit amendments in defense of the speaker i mean i remember when john bercow was the toast of the you know scepters because he insisted on them getting their amendments have something that please your speakers hadn't done now of course they don't look at bottom like that but it's not so long ago we're speaking out of system minority views was regarded as
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a good thing and i think at that time most people were thinking ok we've got a balanced individual here but certainly over the past few months with a man that still drives around in it and he's so more wife's car well it's regrettable and i think a sum total of your i mean i take a pill by thoughts of this last eleven. thirty years off and on the house of commons i long for the speaker who would allow benches and minorities to express their points of view i saw so many speakers who were prisoners of the government and one church so i kind of like the idea of a speaker who. what else might be said about them is not in the pocket. stuff but leave that to one side we have the legal knowledge that we are in a position where on your analysis i think to be feel on general analysis whatever your view in this the u.k. has lost the first two years of negotiations or there's a few weeks to go or can the position be recouped all or is it going to be some unmanageable leap of faith but into the unknown we're now down to two options
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option one which i think is going to be the one that probably comes out is there will be tweaking to the backstop agreement and i think they'll work to a system where they will have trade between northern ireland and the republic of ireland through a borderless system system something that the european union had in place with other countries two years and this document here on the back wall over there that shows exactly that and then that's more likely. the situation that i would prefer that would have given us and still prefer where we have strength over the european union for the future trade every arrangement is a world trade organization deal i think that will be avoided at all costs by those in parliament that will find some mechanism to stop the outcome that you think is most likely which is a kind of halfway house that satisfies no one it's not an argument from the prime minister's perspective. that if she gets to that halfway house then at least open to her success and to future parliaments they can either go the whole way or
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potentially which you fear to come back into the house. i would love to believe that our parliament would be filled with those who would have the sense of duty and responsibility to look at the opportunity that breaks it could give us in terms of our way of trading with other countries and i just don't feel that they have the wit about them to do that or the desire to be able to push forward britain in a really energetic and infusing mastic way and i suspect that they'll just want to drift back in. so this in some way in the future that michelle barney's object was to get a deal and he succeeded in getting a deal with the u.k. government if not the u.k. parliament but that was based on making sure that nobody could argue that country extremely european union would have a beneficial relationship compared to a country which stayed in the european union the so just michel barnier let's be fair and they've done his job i think he's done his job in a number of ways the first principle was exactly that make sure everyone was
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frightened of wanting to leave so that's their first issue secondly he wanted to make sure that it was delayed and denied to the extent that we couldn't compete against the european union on different rules and different regulations because they knew that we could have a powerhouse on that and the third which is a really important thing when you hear about people here and i mean peace talk about the importance of geopolitics the way that the european union sent a message out to the world that look if we can help the united kingdom the fifth largest economy really hard in negotiations then you can expect exactly the same with a. similar sort this out mean that one not the only but one of the likely consequences of blacks that is to make. race delap twenty seven more coherent and certainly less likely to engage in the same process i think what you're seeing now is the real swift project integrate even quicker more quickly than they anticipated you can see that in the european army the way that
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they've pushed not only through armaments that the unification of the designs of weaponry it's a creation of the pascoe and the structures in place that's one to to keep the negotiations strong we've turkey two and keep them open as policy papers downstairs that says the same thirdly the common central tax issue where they're already beginning to take the largest european countries as a common tax for the european union to see how there are surely pushing on an island to say we're going to qualified majority now you can have a veto. that will impact island so huge numbers of centralisation is being pushed forward right now and very quickly so what is in there the dying embers of this parliament and who knows where all the breaks it will be darden before he leaves there are those really so i think it will when you leave this place will there be any aspect of a fond farewell or will you say look job darden the next phase of my life is certainly going to next phase of my life and there will be an element of yes job done but surprisingly i will miss some parts of it though there are
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a lot of really decent people in this place i mean one of the first things i did my grandmother was always make sure you know the security guards the cleaners the cooks people providers coffee and i'm going to miss all all of them i'm going to miss quite a lot of the members of the european parliament since being independent i've had much more engagement with them i'm not going to miss the negativity that this place has i'm not going to miss how insular it can be and i'm not going to miss the fact that they. are right but the reason a real you know going to brussels village fear and they just don't tend to put their tentacles out to the rest of europe and they believe what they say matters more than anything else i won't miss that but i would i do want to send a message to people out there and say that look they're just like any other large institution they believe they're right they believe their vision is right it doesn't make all of them indecent people or nasty individuals it just means that they have a different opinion so was i just think now rippin is old it's old fashioned it's
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in the past not of the future and we should still continue to engage with them and try and persuade them that we're different ways to engage with the world the world thank you so much as no for a period alice i'm going to talk to the queen the driller's whisky in the queen only scorch norman cuny and out of nature and then past law and you're many friends to wish them health wealth thank you alice i'm going to really enjoy that person as long as it doesn't mean i have to kiss you now i said with a direct lank you very much appreciate it's really very kind of whatever you do. good luck to you thank you thank you very much. she'll be even been. set up have ten months from now to the independent. for that date with. the counselor. i went up at
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a sauna we were meeting they. were sort of my lemon who speculated that me or the now with jamie has a hunk on the roof. now at the five the. hell i got money for that matter. i see let him pay maybe for you and me it would be on the metro how comforting closer he got because of me as the so c. so when i went i would. say yes since the soviet system collapsed and it's hard not to see developments in the western world in a similar law it's all we witnessing the final act of the cold war and if so what comes next.
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and i need another one to. sway both of us who. benefits from moving to. plus we've got to talk it's hard not to think of the mother disappeared the sick. and i don't miss so much and if. this is the only fee. that we do is music because everybody fights in his own way. the steward who can talk the fifty miles out of his will persuaded her to have a whole movie about a lot of. what i think is this is the found that is a constant thank you.
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welcome back this week the prime minister asked for more time for her breaks a deal yet again but this time finally running out these are the increasingly testy commons exchanges on tuesday i urge all members across this house to think about the damage the prime minister's strategy is doing the stretch to industry unskilled jobs and communities all across this country mr speaker the prime minister's deal as he floored ending freedom of movement leaving the biggest trading bloc in the world this will be catastrophic for scotland the u.k. is already suffering the cost of britain while the prime minister put an end to this economic madness the prime minister not only is kicking the can down the road yet again she again refuses to take no deal off the table in the statement the
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prime minister has given state and a lot of concrete progress infuses is the prime minister's purpose three making parliament hits its head against a brick rule in the hope that when we stop we might feel better is the e.u. policy on the buy stock like the eagles song point haleakala for one year you can check out and he came in like you can't leave not much saying if cross party came there then nor was there an exchange of letters between the party leaders with even dates online as to whether this was a prime minister's own signature the talks continue but big bed well she is a ticking meanwhile in strasburg where the european parliament is sitting this week some any piece sensing a new political opportunity if it is they may eventually tries to extend the deadline for breaks it. alex speaks to nathan gale one time lisa if you keep in wales because one of the independent any peace pledge to join nigel for us anything you pricks it parked is there any backsliding on the b.
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day it is leaving the european union on the twenty ninth of march. they've go thank you for joining us from the european parliament you're welcome that could be exploited forced rebuke of his last three quarters of its members european parliament members why yes is it because having achieved the result that i thought and i'm ukip lost its way out of the drift to the right so that will see them the leadership of the party has been the key reason for the defections i think there's a definitely a factor of when. you know that the reason why we existed the the referendum and we won it and we got breaks that a lot of people felt well there we are job done and a lot of people did go off to back back to the parties that they belong to before hand but i think when it when you're looking at the amy piece on why we went independent it's probably a very different reason and that was because the way that the party started to to
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change and it started to be becoming almost resemble what we spent years telling people that we were not and so i mean i was quite adamant that i never left u.k. ukip left me the party that i joined no longer existed they were banging the drum about you know the muslim if occasion of birth and about islam that's not why i got into politics and i didn't want to be associated with. setting no as an independent member of the european parliament you seem to sense a political opportunity if the prime minister tries to delay but exit and then those who are european parliament elections in the u.k. who have nigel for us is form day breaks at party and you said this week that you'll be one of it said. yes absolutely but i don't i don't think it's a political opportunity as such because it makes it sound almost like it's something that we want to do and it's a way of is keeping ourselves in
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a job and keeping ourselves as politicians but we said all along we were only in this to get a result and the reason why nigel and of a people as well have. begun to to form they spread designators breaks it is that we took we had so we don't want to have to use it it's almost like you've got a nuclear bomb but you don't actually want to use it you're hoping that the threat of the bomb is enough to get you warm and that breaks the parties there to try and show that the brakes it is what we wanted and we wanted a proper full brakes that we don't want to be left in the e.u. we don't want to be in a customs union or a single market or closely aligned or any of these things we wanted our independence we wanted our freedom to choose and we wanted to be able to say wholeheartedly job done we've left the e.u. countries is made deal it's atrocious and isn't going to do that the fact that they're talking about extending article fifty that to others is quite atrocious as
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well so we need politicians to know if you decide to go down that route there will be consequences and the best way to affect politicians is at the ballot box and we know full well as it breaks it that we will do incredibly well if there is another european election so if they want to avoid that we're saying very clearly we you know we don't particularly want to have to do this but if we must we will but if you want to avoid that just deliver what you said you were going to deliver in your manifestoes so can we be quite clear. contingent on delaying the day on the twenty ninth of march or would happen anyway if she tries to what have died rates so in a way the it's almost like. a party backstop so what we're saying is if she delays britain leave in the european union on the twenty ninth of march and
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therefore we feel quite strongly if that happens then we are heading towards another european election then the party will will spring to full effect and we will will bring down the full weight of bricks it is upon the governments and they will have to pay at the ballot box for what they have done if she's able to tunnel round her historic two hundred fifty vote defeat in the house of commons and somehow cobble together a parliamentary majority for a hard deal the barney made deal the one that was rejected by the commons if that happens you might not like it but there wouldn't be a european election for the blacks at party to stand and so what would you do then that's correct and i think that's when you will have to make his decision about what the next step is for the banks it unlikely as it seems to reserve me is actually successful and piloting a view and her deal or something like it through the house of commons which
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wouldn't be the blacks that you wanted if you would know when the come before the referendum of of twenty sixteen it would you have gone ahead with the bracks that project if we have to end up with what you would regard as to these are me is halfway house cost us a really good question would have gone ahead with it well i think i would because what we've proven in principle alex is that actually that which is people wanted one of the severance ones he has to leave the e.u. how we actually go about it the mechanism that's the next big battle so in a way if you think about it we win the battle of france we're now fighting the battle for britain and when and if it goes if this new party is formed or if it finds a political opportunity if not new european elections if they don't happen and someone . how are you going to avoid the schisms and the fracturing that as we say you can't over the last few years where we've learned a lot of lessons from being members if you keep on being been heavily involved in
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the political part in the thing the biggest problem we had was from people who came in for their own ends because they felt that they were god's gift to u.k.p. now we look at that we're joining your party and we're now going to stand for you in an election when we've never seen these people before and we haven't any see that was an absolute disaster which actually is one of the big factors as to why nigel resigned his leadership if you could because he just couldn't bear to be dealing with these these people any longer and i was i witnessed several of these horrendous and the sea meetings in which they forced neil hamilton on as in wales against the wishes of the actual membership in wales so how do we avoid it well we're going see that this new party is going to be extremely businesslike it's going to be set up very much like a company where the leader of the party will create a bold the board will have full power they will be able to ensure that the party goes in the direction that they wanted to go if the party fails it will be down to
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the board and the leader who's the leader pick that ball it won't be down to in feinstein and people saying stupid things on the television and they shouldn't and all of the over things we had to deal with we review cable so discipline will be extremely important and this nationalist said on his facebook page this instant need not apply signs are very businesslike but if i mean it doesn't sound very democratic well i mean you may you may say that but quite frankly the political party is there to attract people who agree with the aims of that party so that the party can fulfil it if we spend the next twenty years fighting amongst ourselves well what's the point of that because it will never achieve what we want to achieve and so. quite frankly what we've said very clearly and one said is this party will be there too to be a sword of damocles over the governments of the concept of. we will trigger it if
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we must if they fail we will then trigger it and heaven help them because as i say we've already had sixty six thousand people signed up to the party in the space of three days so the will is out there is it democratic well i mean what is democracy in people when people vote in a democracy you put your eggs in the box and then that see you then leave the leaders to decide what to do after you voted for them and the party will be no different people will let them will put their eggs in the box by joining in the power to associate him with the party and then they will leave it to their leader and who he chooses to actually make sure that the goals of the party which they go one one final question you've got the feeling nervous and so i wouldn't it was of the european parliament behind you it's a very you get told that you miss about that assembly if if you come to leave don't start meeting for the new party the european elections is there anything you'll
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miss about the. brussels parliament and the european perspective yeah absolutely look it's been when i got elected i actually said to my wife i've been handed a front row seat to history and it's true i mean we see presidents receive prime ministers here we see the pope you get to come to strasburg which is a beautiful city you're in the heart of year or you know we live europe it's just the e.u. with that we're not very fond of the food is great the weather is usually really nice we've made lots of friends here it's been a big part of my life alex and whenever a chapter closes it is kind of sad regardless of what was involved in that chapter but what i'm looking forward to wholeheartedly is opening up a new chapter. in my life and hopefully politics will not be a part of that because hopefully we will have achieved what we set out to achieve well they can go with that generous tribute to you to thank you so much for the
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appearing in the alex aventura you're welcome. and so these home farts from europe whether that be from brussels or strasburg are hardly good news for the prime minister the architects of the leave she has botched it stephen walt blames the main us on the establishment was in response to the end dissipated brecht's at the trail nathan gill prepares to join nigel fries in a new party meanwhile to these a maze involved not just an exchange of blobs of germany called them but an exchange of let us but the cost of just ended up cross what we have here is not so much him absence of a house of commons consensus but then elaborate game of political pass the parcel of each leader preparing to blame the other when the music finally stops but whoever has greatly to blame surely is cleaved news for the country and the covenant balance parliament than a few convincing majorities for anything haven't at least two thirds of the m.p.'s
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think that a new deal bracks that represents a bad deal for britain with the gravest of economic consequences however it's by no means clear they can agree to force the government's hands by legislation to prevent this the prospect of the leaders of the two great parties preparing the ground for blaming each other for a fiasco is hardly be a sure thing. but i've been else maybe sad about blacks that it is proving no ode to joy and so if i'm to speed up myself and all of the show as the and talk. to.
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because the slowness of the mood of them so moving. and good your local was before. much of those who heard the preview are mostly other movies to see him with the north we go we're going to. move. move. move show you this new you live i mean it's going to look for a good. movie just like most of these girls will review films for go good girls. go to shows look i do the same you want me to show the story to you should go. the stuff to. get to me to do it with the little missed dates to look at is
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it. just the schneiders test just you know it's a mash tow truck to stop the president and please introduce more to. those of your producers to those listening to snoop to come up when you have because that is the cousin with you swear your supporters to your machine station shouldn't for you should cook door for the one who's doing the does the work. it's a good deed the government has freed defeated. it is surprising that the prime minister is not even. the result.

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