yes some denuclearization issues but the north koreans and i built some trust among each other this is difficult to do with them and i know how they operate and they felt that i was always that an honest broker so this was result that in over eight trips that i've made to meet with a lot of their leaders and it's an opening especially after what you said the korean war where millions were killed millions of americans brits millions of north koreans so. this was a start to a relationship that we still have with the north koreans they don't necessarily like me but they respect me but in a sense donald trump has followed in those footsteps and made a breakthrough equal to the breakthrough you may well know i mean he he deserves credit for having a one on one with kim joan accepting it there's less tension what i'm worried about is that he's giving up too much for

a photo opportunity with kim june without the north koreans giving something in return on missiles on denuclearization on nuclear weapons they've done very little except return some remains of american soldiers which is important but this is typical north korean negotiating they do give back very little and want a lot in return i think the u.s. government would deny they've got very little so far as only the white house would in the embassy here in london tell me about the significance you may see in that being in a nation where the u.s. also killed vietnam five million maybe dead they're creating eleven million refugees strange the talks are in hanoi in vietnam next week well i believe that this is a good signal you're right the united states and vietnam have had a very stormy relationship a war relationship but now the relationship is a lot better there's an investment their relations are. fairly positive the

vietnamese are worried about chinese expansion as we are and i think that north the north koreans also welcome a summit there because they were they all going to be able to talk trade and better relationships with vietnam which has kept basically not too hostile stance against north korea so they can showcase. some of the tourism and economic development measures that he has had in north korea and hope to attract vietnamese investment so i think the site a neutral site of vietnam is good for both sides yeah vietnam. like the north korea since the end of us still a tease but do you think they would have even been a meeting if kim had been warned washington of exploring a new path of sanctions and pressure were unchanged and warned washington. of a unilateral policies well i believe both president trump and kim june politically

need this summit because president trump has a lot of problems in the united states with the congress with investigations this popularity is down government shutdown and kim jong moon wants to show his people that his bargain with the biggest power in the world is working and that is only with a summit where they shake hands and appear to be making progress we have not gotten hardly anything on denuclearization of missiles a nuclear weapons yes there are no tests going on but kim jong un committed to a number of measures that he has not kept yet so maybe this summit will be a breakthrough in in negotiations on what happens next in exchange for denuclearization fewer sanctions we'll see i hope the summit has some positive substantive result. it's no no trump isn't taking you with the delegation but then

if you were advising kim jong il and putting a different add on how on earth can kim jong un trust the u.s. administration to trumpet john bolton there given that the united states just got out of the iran nuclear agreement after it was already signed well that's that's a very good question but i think the north koreans ultimately what they want is they want relief from sanctions but in the end they want to american investment british investment european investment because they have a failing economy they want an investment in energy an infrastructure inter ism and the only way they're going to get it is if they reduce their nuclear weapons so i think kim joan seems the opportunity with president trump to start a process where in exchange for american and british and european investment sanctions are reduced i think that's the grand bargain that kim jong un wants but

another thing that maybe kim jong un will be thinking about certainly his allies will be obviously he is an ally with iran is venezuela and i understand you've been saying that you back trumps policy the policy of the e.u. and britain here of recognizing. as the leader of venezuela yes i do back it because i believe that that's a new dynamic one guy doe is in the view of many the legitimate president because the last election where mother would a was elected or reelected was fraudulent in mother oh a starving the country of violations of human rights illegal detentions and this young leader thirty five year old seems to be speaking for the venezuelan people what is going to be key here is the venezuelan military realizing that the best course of action is free and fair elections. which i think why don't the woodwind

it's indefensible to defend somebody like my duro who won fraudulent only by every international observer group anybody that found out about those elections the opposition didn't even participate this is a different case the north koreans and the chinese they know who the president is they know that we're strong democracy here in the united states despite our difficulties and avoiding government shutdowns it's just that we had the un's human rights councils independent expert former independent expert alfre desirous on he said that and you are after all a twenty one thousand nobel prize nominee he said it was completely illegal under international law to recognize one as an interim leader of the country with the not just no toilet reserves on a well look i think it's legitimate because not just so many countries but international organizations and others have said that my bhutto was elected

fraudulent only and so therefore under the venezuelan constitution it's very explicit that the leader of the national assembly becomes president if there is question about legitimacy of the actual president is a is who also said this is like another iraq war basically that could run into another i don't know maybe cuban missile crisis i know that you've been talking about the wall. isn't it unsurprising that you'd have people trying to get in across the southern border if as many people believe the united states destabilizes of the rio grande for decades including now in venezuela well i do think for instance on venezuela and i've urged the administration not to talk about a military intervention that would be counterproductive let the democratic process proceed in venezuela let the people of venezuela decide not. military intervention

but on the wall you know i was a border governor for eight years i was a congressman for fifteen from a border state and we don't need a wall it doesn't work what works is more border patrol agents more technology more border crossings more staff there through the ships intercepting ships for drugs and that's that's where the ads are is and the president has used the border wall as a symbol to his political base and that's going to stop immigration i know you're an expert on that will that many will agree with what you said about it but you don't think that a president who was elected explicitly on a policy of building a wall should not be pursuing the wall he was elected to build and threaten another government shutdown because of it well i think that he tried that and it worked very much against the president he reluctantly may have approved this by signing

the latest border bill but he keeps harping on this wall which just doesn't where i think donald trump would never say hops about anything last time you were on the show i think you were calling for a no fly zone on syria drums policy is to get out of syria the policies you would have advocated if they'd been put in place that much more warfare and much more killing in syria we know us that's in power well i do believe the president was premature in saying he was going to pull u.s. troops out he didn't consult with his cabinet with his national security adviser with his secretary of state with our european allies and so i think that was a colossal mistake at least right now he's slowing down the withdrawal but i think it's going to cause great damage to the kurds it emboldens air go on in turkey look i'm not bringing a full militarization to syria but i think the last thing we can do and should do is withdraw. our troops they're not that many anyway but i think what is needed is

leadership diplomatic leadership to get russia and turkey and iran on the same page and that's going to be difficult without an american presence and without the united states abdicating bill richardson thank you so much thank you break bad news from venezuela we investigate twenty he is a fake news and misreporting and twenty four hours ahead of the release of the first u.k. welfare policy figures since one of juries amaze owed ministers linked it to food bank defendants reinvestigate dehumanization of the cost of austerity all this of all coming up in bought two of going underground. join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to guest of the

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for watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back this week an image tweeted by u.s. secretary of state mike pompei and then echoed by news organizations from b.b.c. to c.n.n. was proved to be fake despite the u.s. government and elite media claims that the economic doro had blocked the bridge to prevent aid entering venezuela it had in fact never been opened i'm joined now by dr alan macleod author of bad news from venezuela twenty years of fake news and its reporting on it thanks for coming on the show tell me how in this book bad news for venezuela you use the propaganda more loudly line by the late edward herman and know him chomsky of course very much alive to analyze media coverage of him as well and we've got this. rather antiquated view of the media as being plucky underdogs who tell us the truth and stand up to power with their little typewriters getting their voice heard and chomsky actually say that nowadays media are for the most

part huge corporations with their own very particular interests and the media is not your friend the media is there actually several role to brainwashing propagandize us into believing a certain image of the world that conforms very much to elite and dressed and you know of course that the journalists currently covering that as where they're based in caracas channel four news one see a little ones b.b.c. words they reject absolutely likelihood of accusation saying they're reporting or this they see the millions who would go in and support the e.u. and british government's policy of this well yes absolutely i've interviewed many many of them and it turns out that journalists are pre-selected from an upper middle class oxbridge educated set and then parachuted into the east side of venezuela which is an extremely caracas which an extremely racially and socially segregated part of the country journalists literally live in

a walled citadel surrounded by armed guards they're driven everywhere they stay in the richest parts of the country and certainly the city anyway and that leads to them seeing a very particular view of of what the country is actually like so they also work in international settings in media houses with local venezuelan journalists who are from the highly partisan local media and when i say highly partisan i mean the local media has many times not just organized but lead coups against the government journalists themselves told me that they see themselves as quote the resistance to her to go and it is their job to quote get rid of him and so in this intense news atmosphere journalists really see themselves as the ideological ski. your head against material here there is a so-called liberal media which like identity politics are usually very big on racism l g b g q writes you seem to suggest in this book there's a racial element here which suggests there's

a racism ironically in this coverage oh yes absolutely and one of my latest articles i analyzed the racist coverage of the country and find that the word civil society was used exclusively for office in the upper class light skinned groups and it was never used for the chevy stuff as the generally working class generally darker skinned groups that support the government in fact in general they were referred to as thought of lowlifes. you know armed groups paramilitaries that sort of thing rather than a positive force like civil society but we had governor bill richardson of new mexico former us of as united nations on earlier on he said the election was forty and so did the prime minister to raise him a job bolton let me put it to bridges in that john bolton is saying that as buller active in that israel and iran as it grows let america any evidence there's a lot of evidence for the elections actually because they are some of the most

heavily monitored internationally there were three separate international teams one from the council of election a latin american election observers it was an african union delegation and then it was a caribbean delegation all three of these international ad groups monitored the twenty eighteen elections and all three of them attested to their quality it was also people like the former prime minister of spain jose zappa taro who said he had quote no doubts about the legality and cleanliness of the election there was even sitting m.p.'s like chris has art who has been very active on social media trying to counter the narrative from two recent may and certain governments. but when you have a look at where the media companies are picking him up. nobody is speaking to him at all even though he's getting huge traction for what he's saying online why they just ignoring the other site and just finally the other news about a drug trafficker alleged convicted. drug kingpin we'll chapo you can

trust venezuela with the elections in colombia where. many people alleged to be a basically washington state why the nice hands off attitude with colombia of us as well as the elections in colombia were marred by huge scandals the incumbent conservative party had carried out something close to genocide killing over ten thousand people in the false positive scandal the leftist candidate had had received death threats and even narrowly survived an assassination attempt and yet that election was asked supported by the us and the media overwhelmingly presented it as a safe quiet democratic experiment i think and then said they have been isolated incidents of violence as you say and yet election day we minimal i think this is just the playing out and i think when you start to realize that colombia is a key ally of the u.s. and europe whereas venezuela is a sworn enemy then we start to really understand what the coverage is all about.

thank you well an election could be on the cards here in the u.k. no telling if it will be before to raise a base chancellor philip hammond give this spring statement on march the thirteenth will presumably give an update on this claim the era over the stair a tree is finally coming to an end or maybe north as earlier this month the new liberal institute for fiscal studies estimated the philip hammond would have to find another eleven billion pounds to end all stare is he but what effect does un condemn tory economic policy have on the way we perceive the poorest in society joining me now is dr hassan a harris a social neuroscientist at u.c.l.a.'s department of experimental psychology designer welcome to going on the ground to tell me about how your new roof science approach to human perception. is a useful. in analyzing so-called advice of societies like this would be more fun for having me what we do or didn't your assignment is we try to understand psychological processes that people may not be able to express themselves or may be

unwilling to express and let's raise it with julia. specifically you talk about how humans are able to dehumanised the homeless for instance thrive but the whole mess is just one group where this happens and a lot of our would suggest dehumanization is something we're all capable of and it's something we might be using every day in a variety of circumstances not just towards the whole mess with the homeless we think we see this dehumanisation response because most people tend not to want to think about homelessness or the experiences of homeless people and so by shutting out their minds you have a very useful way of not feeling morally emotions out might stem from realizing people in your society are suffering or are in need of help and you're in a sort of actively doing anything to help them so in a lot of the experiments we do we simply do things as basic as show people pictures of homeless individuals or tell them they are about to have an interaction with a homeless person and in both cases dive sufficient to sort of trigger brain

processing where if it were an average person there would be particular brain mechanisms i would get going would you say is empathy the judges would allow you to feel empathy later on so i'm talking about processes that simply allow you to figure out what somebody thinking which is the first step you need if you're supposed to feel empathy so if i feel empathy towards you i've not only figured out what you're thinking but i've begun resonating with that emotional experience where i feel a little bit of what we are feeling so together who a cascade moving i feel is have to get inside of you and have to see it in there were a little girl using ended brain using f.m.r.i. we know that there's a reliable set of brain regions that tend to support thinking about other people's minds when that's how we get clues as to whether someone might be humanizing or not . what's first really is you don't comparative studies of what those kinds of attitudes would be like say to the austerity of britain versus japan right so the comparative stuff we've done hasn't been the brain stuff which would be wonderful

but we've done more sort of suffer porton anecdotes or measures where you can ask people to put different types of group in in different places within society so if i said to you one of the relevant groups in great britain you could list a bunch of different groups and then i would ask you to read those groups in a number of dimensions and we can see what type of psychological map you have about different types of groups when we do those kinds of studies in other places like japan to see that the groups move around so in the case of homelessness in western societies like the us you'd find that people would read those groups lower and dimensions like how warm or friendly are they and how competent they are whereas in a place like japan they wouldn't take as much of a warm head for instance people would say that they're bad people right they've sort of restore some of the warmth to them and so we can look at these different psychological maps and get a sense as to how different groups within the society you feed your b.g.

and liz why that is that presumably their histories if we if we knew something about the why we can solve lots of problems but i think your intuition is correct it has a lot to do with the particular history of the place because all cultural living is essentially living in so the history of a particular place determines what the place looks like now and where particular groups for within that society and that's something that we live in once we're in a specific culture right whether we endorse those ways of thinking about groups or not simply through the experiences we have the exposure that we get so if you think about the media for instance the media has the ability to display particular groups in particular ways that often are consistent with the cultural concepts and if you somehow sure the group is doing something do. that would seem strange to people and maybe your program isn't as only a show. and it has to be said that a little sure this is reflected in one could do that diagrammatically that there is

a feeling certainly in mainstream narratives that when you look at a homeless person you think they've made the wrong choices in their own lives and this is why they are whom it's easier to be able to cope with that kind of information if we do you mean us exactly so there are a lot of things we're trying to make sense of in our heads right so we tend to live in societies care what we would call meritocratic so we tend to believe that those people who work hard will succeed and those who don't won't and so if you see a bunch of people who aren't doing well who are sleeping on the streets the natural inference is that right it's something about them it's because they haven't done what they should so that makes them bad people deserving of these kinds of treatment additionally we're trying to reconcile the use we have of ourselves as morally good people and therefore what that means for how we should treat other people and if we notice in our society that there are people who are suffering if we feel like we are in a position where we can't do anything about their suffering particularly because

it's something about them right it's therefore we don't want to have to consider that suffering because it makes us feel uncomfortable it makes sense to psychologically ignore them which is or are dehumanisation result is so i feel better at night if i've made my way through the streets of london and i've ignored the homeless people because i haven't thought about how fortunate i am to sort of be going to a home with a warm bed in a warm meal and i don't have to feel morally guilty about sort of not being able to help this homeless guy or that homeless child or whomever it is and so we see this as a kind of regulation strategy to help us board sort of feel good about ourselves and then taint a view we have both of ourselves and the way our society functions i mean we're going to move a prison. still open right now presumably there is an ability in advance societies to dehumanize those willis so we don't think about it i think what's interesting about all of these results is the composite t. that we still are or who are to continue to ignore suffering for instance you were

walking down the street and you saw someone lying in pain one of the first things you do as a human being is you look around and see who else is present because that gives you information about what's happening with that person lying industry people are likely to sort of walk on by the other people around because it suggests that it's really not an emergency or other people might be helping and so i often think what happens is you have this diffusion of responsibility so in the sort of logic political context i tell you about horrible things happening in guantanamo bay you get upset you think it needs to be changed but you notice other people are upset as well and then this diffusion kicks in right you think well somebody is going to do something to fix that people don't necessarily take that responsibility on them so how far do you think that's amazing in the related to just what you said about groups and the way we think others will do it. to individuals which is really cool a student of the whole new liberal project is part of this to break up the

communities so that you have an individual on their own looking at that was because i think that's a great point what the brain has showed us i think is how not hardwired it is so the brain is inherently flexible and by looking at the brain what we're able to live under different things that will push the activity around so hopefully the goal of projects like this is to figure out a set of circumstances or contacts that we can create that will drive people to have a particular type of brain response with is another and so we don't think we're backed into a sort of more deterministic corner by any means. thank you and that's of the show will be back on wednesday just rejoin members of government social mobility commission with the reach of the job means nothing if you're poor in class about britain until they get. social media deal with.

what politicians do something. to put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to. have to go right to the pros that's what the before three in the morning can't be good good i'm interested always in the waters in the house. there should be more. than a fuss made you see those people by as though you could see the slime view or smear the focus on the bus to do so easy to put one of what. you see in the film was not pretty close to the most good moment. for the most so.

you know mocking. you know shame when you don't let us. know what. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. i

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