across the. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow and survey moreau he is that the founder of the center of political strategic analysis strat but we also have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander macarius he is the editor in chief of the duran dot com or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate look at let me go to alexander macarius in in london here i remember the days the years ago when the u.s. led go against chile was when progress and nixon asked kissinger to make sure that the economy there would scream is that the same game plan that we have here with venezuela because it seems like the shock and awe of regime change is spent and now we're going into a different frame of phase of this force regime change in caracas go ahead in

london i think you are yet to answer your question i think that is exactly what the game plan is i think the intention originally was to provoke action by the military in effect a military coup against president maduro who as you correctly say remains the internationally recognized legitimate president of venezuela representing venezuela in the various international organizations including the united nations the military did not act as and his it has remained solidly behind president and his government so now all the plan seems to be to try to block a then as well as far as what will tontine grip on its all exports which will receive vital energy resource ramping up sanctions against these countries increases. economic hardship whilst at the same time

using humanitarian aid what's called humanitarian aid to join to destabilize the situation internally by creating facts on the ground venezuela we know works by shifting the economic balance. which the united states and we've heard humanitarian aid before coming from the lips of a man that has been in the business of force regime change in latin america and that it's early it abrams well he didn't have a very good time did he in front of congress because a continent congressman or woman omar asked the most germane question mark here is what are you lied to this committee thirty years ago are you going to lie again i'm paraphrasing it's very interesting that the united states or it wants to continue or increase the blockade of venezuela well the same time sanctioning it so

it wants to get humanitarian aid whatever that is because there is a humanitarian crisis quote unquote but they're part of the process product part of the problem when it comes to sanctions well i think there is u.s. calatinus who actually planned this school i think they confused to be a sale of two thousand and eighty and with russia in one thousand eight hundred nine or with iraq in one thousand nine hundred one usually needs people are impressed by the mere notion of him when you darien lake is there a drop in bomb but they're also dropped in on iraq you know or sex or sex of grain or of. flooring or things like that the impress of people well the nice reverence just like just like salvador else they have credit or you know in the ninety years they had eight years of the their outer liberal regimes which supported the united states which are conducted to nobody. all the forms so they know that there can be

eight and there can be a lot of talk about free enterprise and helping the poor and at the same time you may be very unhappy very poor having nothing to eat so they are more experienced then ask the russians in one thousand eight hundred nine what women are really so if anything they've all seen this you know how it ends there isn't any of the reason because if you compare with the o's of color revolution which worked actually it worked when the current poor is already a pro-west you know look at you know which it was not the enemy of the west he was not the friend of putin gave all the all potential resources to ten companies including us one he didn't do what he promised during his campaign that means doing a language and official language and he didn't join the union and he probably is going to come in look at. sharon as. even he's not going to see the tweeter when

he was a minister for. us or even milosevic in one thousand nine hundred sixty was considered a bad can it got a bunch of after they don't wear any more let's betray. their . problem for the us government in venezuela that many mistakes made but z's mistake of having close to him some western advisor exactly. five years ago in the last. you know alexander make me go back to london here that is the reason why. the the opposition in. character they don't want to have any kind of negotiations because the government is repeatedly over and over again even asked for international fora for negotiations the. resolve this because then the government in venezuela knows

that if they deal with the united states directly that means surrender everything ok and we have at the same time the chinese turning around saying that they're going to maintain their relations with the current government the reason why we're talking about it because as i said in my introduction it looks like the coup is faltering at least at this point but that's why they have elliott abrams go ahead in london yes i think that madeira has responded to this crisis actually with surprising intelligence at least surprising to me and he hasn't overreacted by rushing off and rounding up going to hunt all these are yeah because he's walking around yeah this is what i wrote back exactly but it was you walking around in a box in a sense because the expectation was that there would be massive protests behind quite hasn't really had you know and i think mature understands that in fact by playing a waiting game with quite

a lot actually why do losers momentum and loses credibility or so and i think what you also understand that he starts to negotiate with mine went to the row then of course what is you to go shouting about material he said he's not prepared to agree to a transition erection whereby he gives not an hour right and just negotiate with one juror on the basis that will reduce the country's legitimate president if he does you completely lose this game go ahead if by the last days obviously even even the guardian admits there. is a wooden stamp i'm quoting that if it's going to be a terrible embarrassment for the european union because of the other so another thing to be embarrassed of getting out of going to eight members or if you're going to as well as there the new leader of the country if it hadn't been for italy the e.u. or as an entity. i would recognize would have recognized and this guy is just incapable

of doing anything and the people the people in minnesota who have the experience of u.s. intervention in latin america they're very skeptical about these humanitarian aid you know you mention. dialogue with all maher most a member of congress you know republican she reminded him of an interesting she's a democrat. she said. would you support and i'm factions within your soil that even gauges in war crimes crimes against humanity or genocide if you believe they were serving u.s. interest as you did in guatemala el salvador and nicaragua and the harbor and did not find a better answer than to see the day that do our job was elected in a free election el salvador has become we do what chris yeah so let me remind our listeners that's why in el salvador what percentage of the little i would do in population lives in the united states that is because of the glorious democracy and

because of the large debt so of our listeners. who don't know ukraine you know poroshenko is the same as duarte you know that so far the results of his room have been the same so if you want to if you want ukraine if you want russia to go through the same fate as that of someone or its neighbors then support. you if you wish to think care about the fate of jewish people my opinion is this to caring about it because look at the fame in syria this is a frightening no in ukraine because the country has collapsed is collapsing and know the feeling in. so we trust the u.s. and the. state department for the next revolution ok you're not in a position in in one country and the minister of foreign you're for the u.s. one come to you come to you. and promise your promises right for

a new twist when you have to see how we go to venice about alexander before we go to the break here my gut feeling is alexander is that trump being as disinterested in foreign policy as he's well known to be i think that my sense is that he's given pompei or bolton and abrams a green light up into but not for war so go ahead with your humanitarian aid you know backing these opposition people are people that in other individuals there will be willing to defy the legitimate government but they won't go to a military solution that's my sense right now go ahead in london i think that's absolutely right and i think there would be huge resistance not just by trial by many people in the united states to military action in venezuela in fact if they go down that road it will be an admission that this operation which is to try and move this row has failed exactly i'm going to just add one very quick point to this

which is that in my opinion this thing was clearly not thought through well they didn't understand yet thank you if you think. what they deemed by recognizing it won't go in that way with us present tense telephoning him to say that they recognize him as the legitimate president of the country when he clearly is has rallied support exactly to the right alexander i got to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with r.t. . in a world big partisan movie large and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media. uses to tell more than ever we

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we had a summit in warsaw it was basically a framed as middle east regional security but of course it wasn't a it was directed against iran even the host country poland after being. suffering the the tongue lashes of the vice president the united states mike pence about you know european union staying in the nuclear deal. which poland is in hearing too as a member of the you it was a lot of cajoling and it was absolutely a complete failure because they didn't get the results they wanted also we had benjamin netanyahu show up there showed up there and on his website talking about unity about going starting a war against iran which of course changed ok because they were delegates delegates from arab countries you can talk behind closed doors and smoke filled rooms about your relationship in the arab world with israel but you don't do it so

publicly yet well i think that people i didn't hear anyone calling their conference a conference on the media is because it's simply not true they all called it and. that was the real name of it you know what we want now is the substance of it that we're not only because because of the substance but also because they are representative of the palestinian side didn't he he refused to call there were no high level e.u. officials as well yes and he refused to account for a very good reason he still feels insulted by the transfer all of us embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and also why should it come to a point for us but people are discussing basically the ways to to contain iran iran has been helping geez for decades so it was not about israel and everyone understood it was about to. ron and i just love the formula suggested by michael

compel. that bought peace and stability in the region would just not be possible without confronting iran and of course now to remind me or brian in nine hundred eighty four. remember wallace peace peace is not possible without confronting iraq what does it mean for your war rate so if they are in a war so is war is peace. talking about democracy. or on to do are dead that is freedom is way very you know remember britain says freedom is slavery war east peace you know we have the same kind of talk and so he immediately where is the state craft in all of this i mean the optics of the the bombastic language it is you know washington calls these conferences and just expects everybody to get in line in the european union really snubbed it ok they were not

going to participate in the shroud ok it was a good we knew this way that we wouldn't do this comment or there is no learning curve there's no state craft there is now even pretense to diplomacy in my opinion syrian losers they want to work on see the defeat because it's a complete defeat again in the russia against syria of course against to against iran so the tried to move are the frontline in an as a in a place and they want to conceal his defeat and maybe. later but in many pins of person is this one and there is unfortunately the very. word in policy. which want already is revenge continue bomb being so you into retore pretending that there is some iranian. where hoses or troops and and and the true it's you know it's very effectively. since you can't you can see but

it's a it's a symbolic it's a question of seeing it in a way it's a kind of a militarist virtue signal you know in a way eleanor makers let me to go to you in london it's very interesting as this was going on in warsaw you had in sochi we had. iran and turkey and russia discussing the very difficult and game for syria because the turks made promises in the last september and they're having a hard hard time monitoring those but the russians and the iranian seem to be expressing strategic patience still maybe what do you think alex well absolutely can we come back to that would you use state craft as the contrast between the lack of state craft in warsaw where the united states can few convenes a call truce where nobody of any importance turns up exposing its own isolation on

this issue and response by criticizing you so now lies rowsley into language and the very careful patient diplomacy we see in sochi where as i sent that there were as you said correctly the russians and the rain ians are now trying to get the turks out of the whole war is lisa make at least make them honor their pledges that it's not it's not really a big thick red line there keep going not exactly and what i'm now hearing is that there's now discussion about some children joint operation will russians and the uranium joining the turks to try and bring some kind of order to italy profits that is diplomacy that's how to play and she works you talk you talk quietly measure you look for solutions you understand people's concerns you trying to satisfy those concerns you don't convene. without. preparing it why was

i just i just i had no idea you're so old fashioned ok david you completely let me remind you about our beloved mainstream press how they said in the beginning of the syrian conflict all russia is an ally in that so with shiite more stems and quarterly and with the sunni muslim world now we have been sorting they radian president their representative or a shiite mosque in country after it a shiite cleric. president of turkey a representative for the sunni morsel it was probably the most important one and president which in discussing the ways to resolve this syrian crisis isn't it a success and on the other hand in warsaw you know the poor media was so proud we're like the madrid conference in the wire you know that this is what i read. that you know let me remind our border brothers in one thousand nine hundred one

people talked about peace in the middle east they were not talking about the ways to attack iran so with paul said thoughts like that you know where they support at the border on now when they support. and they have say they have good relations with israel i want to tell them again and again polish brothers don't delude you wet yourself you will get they have a habit of always the right of our city to pick the wrong side here and stay with syria here we we have no we can go back about a year ago where we have. alleged because we have always said alleged on this program even after all the media storm the alleged chemical gas attack in do main we have a b.b.c. producer coming out in saying that this was just made for show for camera oh yes and we as a result of the allegation donald trump ordered the bombing of syria illegal under international law most of the french remember when the minister of defense and

for in your first presented the proof you know it was you know five five pages a document. and that proves the evidence is some video that found on the internet and the french specialist where sinking that there is some evidence that they used chemical weapons so it's all your sources you tube. for them it's all of force it's pretty beat it. you know it's a fixed news but when it is a government and the list so of course of course is good and so what i'm waiting for know is from from paris from london from even berlin and of course from washington does give the prize. but you know in my opinion they won't say anything now well of course they're. looked at on the french or on the french t.v. is they once were sort. of the supporters or is it even didn't talk about

b.b.c. report we're not talking about team reports ok we're going to exonerate in london you know exactly is absolutely right i mean here we have a major news. one of their producers and making a very important admission but it will never get to the point of apologizing to viewers for pushing a narrative that ended in violence when violence was used against international law with no real evidence being supported it all made public here but they just keep going on as if it never happened of course somehow some way it was russia's fault that somebody you allegedly used gas in syria you know that such a dysfunctional sense of what the media should do go ahead in london but can i just say i mean it's important to say she's a b.b.c. producer it is not the b.b.c. that i was very chair more with my words. but that it was it goes directly to the

point you're making because of course the o.p.c. done which is supposed to investigate these things is now. has actually if. there's no evidence of salaries and this particular producer saying the film of the incident in the hospital which is the one that serbia was referring to that appears to have been staged now what these episodes show is the vital importance of. eight proper investigation a properly impartial internationally recognized investigation before you go to wall in this instance there was no such investigation there was a rush to judgment missiles were launched extraordinary things was said across the media and people and property would destroy it all all killed and that is not how you supposed to do it your supposed first to find out what happened find

out whether or not incidents like this are exercises in manipulation which an increasingly looks like this one was and then you come to some sort of international consensus about what you do that is not what happens and that's the lesson that should be learned and that's what the media should be talking about and of course just do it you know it's so old fashioned now it's only curious my goodness by second i will guess that it was after. their abusive producer who stated that he can prove without adult that the hospital scene was stage was dull artie and i ask of us if they can go and look for their boy haasan d.r. this was the boy shown on this radio who gave a press conference you know all pursuit of a denying they were gracious enough to tell our viewers that months ago that's all

the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember rostock was. twenty forty you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going to be relatively peaceful put approach. yes to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know here i mean you are liz. schooling you go to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four. those who took part in this to do over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. kind

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i. i. today unprecedented discrimination in facebook pages of several highly successful. projects. also ahead. a senior french military officer will be set to face punishment after. the u.s. led coalition against islamic states in syria. and a new report from the u.k.'s house of lords suggests that weapons sales to saudi arabia killing significant numbers of yemeni civilians i'm a violation.