we're witnessing something quite remarkable in the night twenty nine we're watching a country that's bad in the nineteenth century bubble brayley for. two hundred years they're going to crash into the twenty first century as if they're just being teleported into the twenty first time. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. wanted. to go on to be pros this is what the three of the more people. interested in the water.

hello and welcome to cross where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle is the u.s. led against a legitimate government in venezuela faltering also as russia turkey and iran search for peace in syria washington beats the drums of war against a rant and much much more on this edition of. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow exhibit a moreau he is that a founder of the site. or of political strategic analysis strad poll we also have

dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander mackerras he is the editor in chief of the duran dot com or a german crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate look at let me go to alexander mcqueen in in london here i remember the days the years ago when the u.s. led go against chile was in progress and nixon asked kissinger to make sure that the economy there would scream is that the same game plan that we have here with venezuela because it seems like the shock and awe of regime change is spent and now we're going into a different frame of phase of this force regime change in caracas go ahead in london i think you are yet to answer your question i think that is exactly what the game plan is i think the intention originally was to provoke action by the military in effect a military coup against president maduro who as you correctly say remains the

internationally recognized legitimate president of venezuela representing then it's various international organizations including the united nations the military did not act as aunties it has remained solidly behind president material and his government so now all the plan seems to be to try to block a then as well as far as possible tightening the grip on its all exports which were vital energy resource ramping up sanctions against these countries increasing economic hardship there whilst at the same time using a humanitarian aid what's what's called humanitarian aid to join to destabilize the situation legally internally by creating facts on. ground we.

know works well is shifting the economic balance. why do. the united states and we've heard humanitarian aid before coming from the lips of a man that has been in the business of force regime change in latin america and that is elite abrams well he didn't have a very good time did he in front of congress because a continent congressman or woman omar asked the most germane question mark is what were you lied to this committee thirty years ago are you going to lie again i'm paraphrasing it's very interesting that the united states wants to continue or increase the blockade of venezuela well the same time sanctioning it so it wants to get humanitarian aid whatever that is because there is a humanitarian crisis quote unquote but they're part of the process product part of the problem when it comes to sanctions well i think there is us. who actually

planned this school i think the confused when you so i will follow the name team with russia in one thousand eight hundred nine or with iraq in one thousand nine hundred one usually naive people are impressed by the mere notion of human you darien lake they're dropping bombs but they're also dropped in on iraq you know. sex of grain or of. floor you know things like that they impress people well the nice reverence just like just like salvador and they have credit all the you know the ninety years of the eight years of the liberal regimes which supported the united states which. conducted the node in broad forms so they know that there can be aid and there can be a lot of talk about free enterprise and how been the poor but at the same time you may be very. very poor having nothing to eat. so they are more experienced than

us russians in one thousand eight hundred nine what women were really impressive so if anything they've all seen this you know how it ends there isn't any of the reason because if you compare with the o's of color revolution which worked actually it worked when the current poor is already a pro-west you know look at you know which he was not the enemy of the west he was not the friend of putin he gave all the all potential resources to withstand companies including us one he didn't do what he promised during his campaign. doing a language and official language and he didn't join the union and he probably is going to come in look at you on the show and as. even he's not going to twitter when he was a minister far enough in the us or even milosevic in one thousand nine hundred sixty was considered a bad can it got a bunch of after they don't win the more let's be.

clear there are still problems for the us government in venezuela that many mistakes made but z's mistake of having close to him some western advisor exactly. five years ago in the last. you know alexander make me go back to london here that is the reason why. the the opposition in. character they don't want to have any kind of negotiations because the government is repeatedly over and over again even asked for international fora for negotiations that resolve this because the government in venezuela knows that if they deal with the united states directly that means surrender everything ok and we have at the same time the chinese turning around saying that they're going to maintain their relations with the current government the reason why we're talking about to be. because as i said in my introduction it

looks like the coup is faltering at least at this point but that's why they have elliott abrams go ahead in london yes i think that madeira has responded to this crisis actually with surprising intelligence at least surprising to me and he hasn't overreacted by rushing off and rounding up going to hunt all these are yeah because he's walking around yeah this is what i wrote back exactly but it was you walking around in a box in a sense because the expectation was that there would be massive protests behind the hasn't really have you know and i think mature understands that in fact by playing a waiting game with quite a lot actually going to lose his momentum and loses credibility or so and i think what you also understand that he starts to negotiate with mine went to the row then of course what is you go shooting about material he said he's not prepared to agree

to a transition erection whereby he gives not our right just negotiate with the bureau on the basis that will reduce the country's legitimate president if he does you completely lose the game go ahead well but if my door stays obviously even even the guardian admits their. complaint is a wooden stamp i'm quoting them if it's going to be a terrible embarrassment for the european union because of the other so another thing to be embarrassed about getting out of a twenty eight member qantas record are as wide as they're the new leader of the country if it hadn't been for italy the e.u. or as an entity or what recognise would have recognized quite all and this guy is just incapable of doing anything and the people are the people we have in our fellow who have the experience of us intervention in latin america they're very skeptical about this humanitarian aid i. you know you mention.

dialogue with all maher most a member of congress you know a republican she reminded him of an interesting story she's a democrat. she said that. would you support and i'm factions within your soil that even gauges in a war crimes crimes against humanity or genocide if you believe they were serving u.s. interest as you did in guatemala el salvador and nicaragua and the harbor and did not find a better answer than to see the day that do our job was elected in a free election el salvador has become to do what chris yeah so let me remind our listeners that's why in el salvador what percentage of the little i would do in population lives in the united states that is because of the glorious democracy and because of the large debt so of for our listeners. who don't know ukraine you know poroshenko is the same as duarte you know that so far the results of his room have

been the same so if you want to if you want ukraine if you want russia to go through the same fate as that of someone or its neighbors then support. you if you wish to think about the fate of jewish people my opinion is that starting caring about it because look at the fein in syria they've no in ukraine because the country has collapsed is collapsing and no the training in. trust the u.s. and the. state department for the next revolution ok you're not in a position in in one country and the minister of foreign office of the u.s. one come to you come to you and promise you. right hand you have to see me go to venice or we're going to alexander before we go to the break here my gut feeling is alexander is that trump being disinterested in foreign policy is he's well known to be. i think that my sense is that he's given pompei or bolton and abrams

a green light up into but not for war so go ahead with your humanitarian aid backing these opposition people people that in other individuals there will be willing to defy the legitimate government but they won't go to a military solution that's my sense right now go ahead in london i think that's absolutely right and i think there would be huge resistance not just by trial but by many people in the united states to military action in venezuela in fact if they go down that road it will be an admission that this alteration they tried which used to try and fail over this row has failed exactly i'm going to just add one very quick point about this which is that in my opinion this thing was clearly not thought through well they didn't understand yet thank you have to think. and act what they deemed by recognizing quango in that way with us present tense

telephoning him to say that they recognize him as the legitimate president of the country when he clearly isn't has rallied support exactly a target alexander i got to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with are today. why is the keep the slow you force new the focus on the best if you still. want. to see the.

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are discussing some real names. ok gentlemen let's talk about another force regime change that's in process here we had a summit in warsaw it was basically a framed as middle east regional security but of course it wasn't a it was directed against iran even the host country poland after being. suffering the the tongue lashes of the vice president the united states. mike pence about the european union staying in the nuclear deal. which poland is in hearing too as a member of the u. it was a lot of cajoling and it was absolutely a complete failure because they didn't get the results they wanted also we had benjamin netanyahu show up there showed up there and on his website talking about unity about going on starting a war against iran which of course changed ok because they were delegates

delegates from arab countries you can talk of behind closed doors and smoke filled rooms about your relationship in the arab world with israel but you don't do it so publicly not yet well i think that the people i didn't hear anyone calling their conference a conference on the me do is because it's simply not true they all called it and conference and that was the real name of it you know what you want now is the substance of it that we're not only because because of the substance but also because the representative of the palestinian side mahmoud abbas didn't he he refused to call there were no high level e.u. officials as well yes and he refused to come for a very good reason he still feels insulted by the transfer all of us embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and also. why should police come to a conference but people are discussing basically the ways to to contain iran iran

has been helping but if you g.'s for decades so it was not about israel and palestine everyone understood it was about iran and i just love the formula suggested by michael bell but. borth peace and stability in the region would just not be possible without confronting iran and of course now to reminds me all of bryant in the one nine hundred eighty four. remember wallace peace peace is not possible without confronting iraq what does it mean confronting out war. great so if. it was so is war is peace. talking about democracy. or i want to do our share that is freedom this way very you know remember britain says freedom is slavery war east peace you know we have the same kind of talk. where is the state craft in all of this i mean the optics of the the

bombastic language it is you know washington calls these conferences and just expects everybody to get in line in the european union really snubbed it ok they were not going to participate in this shirat ok it was a good we knew this way that we wouldn't do this comment or there is no learning curve there's no state craft there is now even pretense to diplomacy in my opinion the syrian losers they want to work on see the defeat because it's a complete defeat again in the russia against syria of course against to against iran so the tried to move are the frontline in an as a in a place and they want to concede defeat and maybe. later but in many pins of person is this one and there is unfortunately the very. word in policy. which want already is. continue bomb being territory

pretending that there is some iranian. where hoses or troops enter and and the true it's you know it's very effective. since you can't you can see but it's it's a symbolic it's a question of seeing it in a way it's a kind of a militarist virtue signal you know in a way. in london i mean it's very interesting as this was going on in warsaw you had in sochi. and in turkey and russia to discuss. seeing the very difficult and game for syria because the turks made promises in last september and they're having a hard hard time monitoring those but the russians and the iranian seem to be expressing strategic patience still maybe what do you think alex well absolutely genuine we come back to that would you use state craft as the contrast between the

lack of state craft in warsaw where the united states can few convenes a call truce where nobody of any importance turns up exposing its own isolation on this issue and response by criticizing its own our law is in grossly intemperate language and the very careful patient diplomacy we see in sochi where as innocent that they were as you said correctly the russians and the rain ians are now trying to get the turks are out of the whole war is lisa make at least make them honor their pledges that it's not it's not really a big thick red line there keep going not exactly and what i'm now hearing is that there's now discussion about some children joint operation will russians and the reigning ins joining the turks to try and bring some kind of order to italy profits that is diplomacy that's how to plough machine works you talk you talk quietly

measure you look for solutions you understand people's concerns you trying to satisfy those concerns you don't convene conferences without. preparing it why was i just i just i had no idea you're so old fashioned ok david. let me remind you about our bill after mainstream press how they said in the beginning of the syrian conflict or russia is that so with more steps and quarrelling with the sunni muslim world now with aaron sorkin they radian president they're presented here for a shiite mosque in country after a cleric. president of turkey a representative for the sunni morsel it was probably the most important one and president which in discussing the ways to resolve this syrian crisis isn't it a success and on the other hand in warsaw you know the poor media was so proud

we're like the madrid conference in the wires that this is what i read. that you know let me remind our border brothers in one thousand nine hundred one people talked about peace in the middle east they were not talking about their ways to attack iran so with ports it's always like that you know where they support at the border on now when they support the drug and they have say they have good relations with israel i want to tell them again and again polish brothers don't delude you wet yourself you will get they have a habit of always thinking of our city to pick the wrong side here and stay with syria here we we have no we can go back about a year ago where we have this. alleged because we have always said alleged on this program even after all the media storm the alleged chemical gas attack in do may and we have b.b.c. producer coming out in saying that this was just made for show for camera oh yes

and we end it as a result of the allegation donald trump ordered the bombing of syria illegal under international law most of the french remember when the minister of defense and foreign affairs presented the proof you know it was you know five or five pages of the document. and that proves the evidence is some video that found on the internet and the french specialist where sinking that there is some evidence that they used chemical weapons so it's all your sources you tube. for them it's all of force it's pretty beat it. you know it's a fake news but when you buy is the government and the list so of course of course it is good and so what i'm waiting for know is from from paris from london from even berlin and of course from washington does give the prize. but you know in my

opinion they won't say anything now will of course. look at on the french or on the french t.v. is they once were sort. of the supporters or is it even didn't talk about b.b.c. report we're not talking about team reports ok we're going to alexander in london you know exactly is absolutely right i mean here we have a major news. one of their producers and making a very important admission but it will never get to the point of apologizing to viewers for pushing a narrative that ended in violence when violence was used against international law with no real evidence being supported it all made public here but they just keep going on as if it never happened of course somehow someway it was russia's fault that somebody you allegedly used gas in syria you know that such a dysfunctional sense of what the media should do go ahead in london but can i just

say i mean it's important to say she's a b.b.c. producer it is not the b.b.c. i was very chair more with my words. but that it was it goes directly to the point you're making because of course the o.p.c. done which is supposed to investigate these things is now. has actually if. there's no evidence of salary and this particular producer saying that the one of the incident in the hospital which is the one that serbia was referring to that appears to have been staged now what this this show is the vital importance of. eight proper investigation closely impartial internationally recognized investigation before you go to wall in this instance there was no such investigation there was a rush to judgment missiles were launched extraordinary things was said across the

media and people and property would destroy it all all killed and that is not how you supposed to do it your supposed first to find out what happened find out whether or not incidents like this are exercises in manipulation which an increasingly looks like this one was and then you come to some sort of international consensus about what you do that's not what happens and that's the lesson that should be learnt and that's what the media should be talking about and of course just do it you know it's so old fashioned now it's only curious my goodness five second are that's what was out there to. be super do so who stated that he can prove without adult that the hospital scene was staged was dull

arty and i ask of us if they can go and look for their boy haasan up this was the boy shown on this radio who gave a press conference you know all pursuit of a denial and they were gracious enough to tell our viewers that months ago that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember rostock was. twenty forty you know blue. the revolution to correct the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just a lawyer i mean your list book video would put him in the neighborly is that i mean

you explain you go to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty fourteen. of those who took the lead in this did over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic country. i do think the numbers mean something they've mattered the us is over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime families each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent of the world market goes thirty percent some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and that one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers over.

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