cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guests here in moscow and survey moreau he is the de founder of the center of political strategic analysis strat but we also have dmitri bobbish he is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander macarius he is the editor in chief of the duran dot com or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate look at let me go to alexander material in in london here i remember the days the years ago when the u.s. led go against chile was in progress and nixon asked kissinger to make sure that the economy there would scream is that the same game plan that we have here with venezuela because it seems like the shock and awe of regime change is spent and now we're going into a different phase of this force regime change in caracas go ahead in london i think you are yet to answer your question i think that is exactly what the game plan is i

think the intention regionally was to provoke action by the military in effect a military coup against president maduro who as you correctly say remains the internationally recognized legitimate president of venezuela representing then it's various international organizations including the united nations the military did not act as aunties it has remained solidly behind president and his government so now all the plan seems to be to try to block a then as well as far as what will tightening the grip on its all exports which were vital energy resource ramping up sanctions against these countries increasing economic hardship there was at the same time using a humanitarian aid what's what's called humanitarian. in

a joint to destabilize the situation internally by creating facts on the ground we. know it works by shifting the economic balance. which the united states and we've heard humanitarian aid before coming from the lips of a man that has been in the business of force regime change in latin america and that is elite abrams well he didn't have a very good time did he in front of congress because a continent congressman or woman omar asked the most germane question mark is what were you lied to this committee thirty years ago are you going to lie again i'm paraphrasing it's very interesting that the united states or it wants to continue or increase the blockade of venezuela well the same time sanctioning it so it wants to get humanitarian aid whatever that is because there is a humanitarian crisis quote unquote but they're part of the process product part of

the problem when it comes to sanctions well i think there is us. who actually planned this call i think the confused when you so i will follow the name team with russia in one thousand eight hundred nine or with iraq in one thousand nine hundred one usually needs people are impressed by the mere notion of human you darien lake there drop in bomb despite there also drop in on iraq you know the sex of sex of grain or of. floor you know things like that the impress of people well the nice reverence just like just like salvador else they have credit or you know in the ninety years they had eight years of the liberal regimes which supported the united states we. conducted the node in broad forms so they know that there can be aid and there can be a lot of talk about free enterprise and her. the poor and at the same time you may

be very unhappy very poor having nothing to eat so they are more experienced than us russians in one thousand eight hundred nine when we were really impressive so if anything they've all seen this you know how it ends there isn't any of the reason because if you compare with the o's of color revolution which worked actually it worked when the current poor these are worthy of pro-west you know look at you know which it was not the enemy of the west he was not the friend of putin gave all the all potential resources to withstand companies including us one he didn't do what he promised during his campaign. doing a language an official language and didn't join the union and he probably is going to come clean look at. sharon as. even he's not going to see the tweeter when he was a minister for enough or in the. us or even milosevic in one thousand nine hundred

sixty was considered a bad can it got a bunch of after they don't wear any more let's betray. them and still the problem for the us government in venezuela that many mistakes made but z's mistake of having close to him some western advisor exactly. five years ago in the last. you know alexander make me go back to london here that is the reason why. the the opposition in. character they don't want to have any kind of negotiations because the government is repeatedly over and over again even asked for international fora for negotiations that resolve this because the government in venezuela knows that if they deal with the united states directly that means surrender everything ok and we have at the same. time the chinese are turning around saying that they're going

to maintain their relations with the current government the reason why we're talking about it because as i said in my introduction it looks like the coup is faltering at least at this point but that's why they have elliott abrams go ahead in london yes i think that material has responded to this crisis actually with surprising intelligence at least surprising to me and he hasn't overreacted by rushing off and rounding up going to hunt all these are yeah because he's walking around yeah this is what i wrote back exactly but it was you walking around in a box in a sense because the expectation was that there would be massive protests behind quite hasn't really had you know and i think mature understands that in fact by playing a waiting game with quite a lot actually why do loses momentum and loses credibility or so and i think what you also understand that he starts to negotiate with mine went to the row then of

course what is you go shouting about material he said he's not prepared to agree to a transition erection whereby he gives not an hour right and just negotiate with one juror on the basis that a lot of jurors that don't is legitimate president if he does you completely lose this game go ahead if by the last days obviously even even the guardian admits there. is a wooden stamp i'm quoting that if it's going to be a terrible embarrassment for the european union because of the other so another thing to be embarrassed about getting out of twenty eight member qantas or if you're going to as well as there the new leader of the country if it hadn't been for italy the e.u. or as an entity of what recognise would have recognized and this guy is just incapable of doing anything the people are the people we have in our fellow who have the. ariens or u.s.

intervention in latin america they're very skeptical about these humanitarian aid you know you mention. dialogue with all maher most a member of congress you know a republican she reminded him of an interesting she's a democrat. she said. would you support and i'm faction within your soil or that even gauges in a war crimes crimes against humanity or genocide if you believe they were serving u.s. interest as you did in guatemala el salvador and nicaragua and eyebrows did not find a better answer than to see the day the dark was elected in a free election el salvador has become or do you want kristie yeah so let me remind our listeners that's why in el salvador what percentage of the little i would do in population lives in the united states that is because of the glorious democracy and because of the large debt so of our listeners. who don't know ukraine you know

poroshenko is the same as duarte you know that so far the results of his room have been the same so if you want to if you want ukraine if you want russia to go through the same fate or its neighbors then support. the us think care about the fate of jewish people my opinion is that starting caring about it because look at the fein in syria they've no in ukraine because the country's collapse is collapsing and know the ending in. so we trust the u.s. and the. state department for the next revolution ok you're not in a position in in one country and the minister of foreign office of the u.s. one come to you come to you and promise you. right hand you have to see me go to venice or we're going to alexander before we go to the break here my gut. healing

is alexander is that trump being as disinterested in foreign policy as he's well known to be i think that my sense is that he's given pompei or bolton and abrams a green light up into but not for war so go ahead with your humanitarian aid you know backing these opposition people are people that in other individuals there will be willing to defy the legitimate government but they won't go to a military solution that's my sense right now go ahead in london i think that's absolutely right and i think there would be huge resistance not just by trial but by many people in the united states to military action in venezuela in fact if they go down that road it will be an admission that there's talk ration they tried which is to try and move this row has failed exactly i'm going to just add one very quick point about this which is that in my opinion this thing was clearly not thought through well they didn't understand yet thank you if you think.

and what they deem this point recognizing it won't go in that way with the us present tense telephoning him to say that they recognize him as the legitimate president of the country when he clearly isn't has rallied support exactly tariq alexander i got to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with r.t. . to. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see of their. work. i think. if they were just on.

my side i said is it your money. so there are a lot of bills still. highly in and they him about nutrition but then i. looked. it up you got. the money out of the money i don't i don't want to worry about. something i didn't really know nothing. about mr need just. a phone company does with. want of a shuffle stemming with us on the way there and you'll get a little warmth and you know what. shall i do you saw that this i don't have the.

what politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to. have to go right to the press this is what the before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters about how. things should. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter in belgium and you are discussing some real lives.

ok gentlemen let's talk about another force regime change that's in process here we had a summit in warsaw it was basically evil framed as middle east regional security but of course it wasn't a it was directed against iran even the host country poland after being. suffering the the tone lashes of the vice president the united states mike pence about you know european union staying in the nuclear deal. which poland in hearing to as a member of the you it was a lot of could and it was absolutely a complete failure because they didn't get the results they wanted also we had benjamin netanyahu show up there showed up there and on his website talking about unity about going starting a war against iran which of course changed ok because they were delegate

delegates from arab countries you can talk behind closed doors and smoke filled rooms about your relationship in the arab world with israel but you don't do it so publicly yet well i think that people i didn't hear anyone calling their conference a conference of the media was because it's simply not true they all called it and. that was the real name of it you know what we want now is the substance of it that we're not only because because of the substance but also because they're representative of the palestinian side of mahmoud abbas didn't he he refused to call there were no high level e.u. officials as well yes he refused to come for a very good reason he still feels insulted by the transfer all of us embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and also. why should it come to a point for us but people are discussing basically the way to to contain iran. iran

has been helping but if you jesus for decades so it was not about israel and palestine everyone understood it was about iran and i just love the formula suggested by michael compel. that bought peace and stability in the region would just not be possible without confronting iran and of course there are three miles of me or brian in nine hundred eighty four by george will remember what peace peace is not possible without confronting iraq what does it mean for europe and war great so if. it was so is war is peace. talking about democracy in el salvador i want to do our share that is freedom with wavery you know remember britain says freedom is slavery war east peace you know we have the same kind of talk. where is the state craft in all of this i mean the optics of the the bombastic language it is washington

calls these conferences and just expects everybody to get in line in the european union really snubbed it ok they were not going to participate in the shroud ok it was a good we knew this way that we wouldn't do this comment or there is no learning curve there's no state craft there's no even pretense to diplomacy in my opinion syrian losers they want to work on see the defeat because it's a complete defeat again in the russia against syria of course against to against iran so the tried to move are the frontline in an as of in a place and they want to conceal his defeat in maybe. later but in many pins of person is this one and there is unfortunately the very. word in policy. which wants already is revenge continue bomb being so you into retore pretty. one thing there is some are iranian. where hoses or troops and and

and the truth so you know it's very effective. since you can't you can see but it's a it's a symbolic it's a question of seeing it in a way it's a kind of a militarist virtue signal you know in a way eleanor makers' let me go to you in london it's very interesting as this was going on in warsaw you had in sochi we had iran turkey and russia discussing the very difficult and game for syria because the turks made promises in last september and they're having a hard hard time monitoring those but the russians and the iranian seem to be expressing strategic patience still maybe what do you think alex well absolutely you know we come back to that would you use crafter the contrast between the lack of state craft in warsaw where the united states can few convenes

a call truce where nobody of any importance turns up exposing its own isolation on this issue and response by criticizing it's own our law. rowsley into language and the very careful patient diplomacy we see in sochi where as innocent that is where as you said correctly the russians and the rain ians are now trying to get the turks out of the whole war is lisa make at least make them honor their pledges that it's not it's not really a big thick red line there keep going not exactly what i'm now hearing is that there's no discussion about some children joint operation will russians and the uranium joining the turks to try and bring some kind of order to italy profits that is diplomacy that's how to play and she works you talk you talk quietly measures.

you look solutions you understand people's concerns you trying to satisfy its concerns you don't convene congress says without. proof airing it while knowing i just said i am not a star as i had no idea you're so old fashioned ok david you know. let me remind you about our beloved mainstream press how they said in the beginning of the syrian conflict or russia is a lie that so with more terms and quarterly with the sunni muslim world now with aaron sorkin they radian president their representative or a shiite mosque in country. cleric. president of turkey a representative for the sunni morsel it was probably the most important one and president which in discussing the ways to resolve this syrian crisis isn't it a success and on the other hand in warsaw you know the poor media was so proud

we're like the madrid conference in the ninety one are you know that this is what i read. that you know let me remind our border brothers in one thousand nine hundred one people talked about peace in the middle east they were not talking about the ways to attack iran so with poor sad thoughts like that you know where they support at the border on now when they support. and they have say they have good relations with israel i want to tell them again and again polish brothers don't delude you wet yourself you will give a way they have a habit of always thinking of our city to pick the wrong side here and stay with syria here we we have no we can go back about a year ago where we have. alleged because we have always said alleged on this program even after all the media storm the alleged chemical gas attack in due main we have a b.b.c. producer coming out in saying that this was just made for show for camera oh yes and we as a result of the allegation donald trump ordered the bombing of syria illegal under

international law most of the french remember when the minister of defense and foreign affairs presented the proof you know it was you know five or five pages of the document. and that proves the evidence is some video that found on the internet and the french specialist where sinking that there is some evidence that they used chemical weapons so it's all your sources you tube. for them it's all of force it's praise be to. you know it's a fixed news but when it is by is the government and the list so of course of course it is good and so what i'm waiting for know is from from paris from london from even berlin and of course from washington does give the prize. but you know in my opinion they won't say anything now will of course. look at on the french or on

the french t.v. is it once we're aware of. the supporters or is it even didn't talk about b.b.c. report we're not talking about team reports ok we're going to exonerate in london you know exactly is absolutely right i mean here we have a major news. one of their producers and making a very important admission but it will never get to the point of apologizing to viewers for pushing a narrative that ended in violence when violence was used against international law with no real evidence being supported it all made public here but they just keep going on as if it never happened of course somehow some way it was russia's fault that somebody you allegedly used gas in syria you know that such a dysfunctional sense of what the media should do go ahead and london well can i just say i mean it's important to say she's a b.b.c. producer it is not the b.b.c.

that i was very chair more with my words. but that it was it goes directly to the point you're making because of course the o.t.c. don't you which is supposed to investigate these things is now. has actually. there's no evidence of salary yet and this particular producer is saying that the one of the incident in the hospital which is the one that serbia was referring to that appears to have been staged now what these episodes show is the vital importance of. proper investigation closely impartial internationally recognized investigation before you go to wall in this instance there was no such investigation there was a rush to judgment missiles were launched extraordinarily things were said across

the media and people and property would destroy it all all killed and that is not how you supposed to do it your supposed first to find out what happened find out whether or not incidents like this are exercises in manipulation which an increasingly looks like this one was and then you come to some sort of international consensus open about what you do that's not what happens and that's the lesson that should be learned and that's what the media should be talking about and of course just do it you know it's so old fashioned now it's only curious my goodness by second i will guess that it was after. the super do so who stated that he can prove without adult that the cost that i was seen by the state was dull artie and i ask of us if they can go and work for their

boy haasan this was the boy shown on this radio who gave a press conference you know all pursuit of a denial and they were gracious enough to tell our viewers that months ago that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here arche see you next time and remember last night was. the job of journalists. photojournalists a any type of videographers writing journalists is their job it's much more dangerous every year because so many people now see what we do is threats you know threats to whatever their narrative is whatever the propaganda is and you know all

of it and like anything in our culture and in the iraq and afghanistan wars had to be sold to the american people and. must need to explain why as you could see the slimed you of course new to the political debate so do you still. want the above. to see in the film which not print the most good moment in. the room or will. you come my. boy. you know shame on you don't then. you know what.

i've been saying the numbers mean something they've matter to us with over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime families each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be old rich foods six percent world market rose thirty percent some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and when he rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars a all you industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only number you need to remember. one one business you know for the mid one and only who. came here where did you work before you came here when you live well. in many us

states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend he is waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us somebody's been proven innocent. through and how many more races is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. it.

facebook suspends the pages of several highly successful arguing to news projects without warning we find out what could be behind the move. and british lawmakers accuse facebook of failing to regulate political advertising and leaving people open to online data breaches. donald trump urges the venezuelan military to rise up against president bush and says the u.s. is keeping all options on the table. and a senior officer writes a damning critique of the u.s. led coalition's campaign against syria.