tv Cross Talk RT February 18, 2019 11:00pm-11:31pm EST
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facebook suspended the pages of several highly successful are to link to news projects without warning. british lawmakers accuse facebook of failing to regulate political advertising and leaving people open to online data breaches. urges the venezuelan military to rise up against president maduro and says the u.s. is keeping all options on the table. also in the headlines here on our to international a senior french military officer writes a damning critique of the u.s. led coalition's campaign against islamic state in syria. the latest on these
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stories you can head to our t.v. dot com coming up in about an hour's time my colleague kevin allen will take you through today's news but stay with us now for crosstalk looking at efforts by russia turkey and iran to bring peace to syria but if you're watching in the u.k. political talk show renegade is next. hello and welcome to cross things are considered i'm peter lavelle is the u.s. lead against a legitimate government in venezuela faltering also as russia turkey and iran search for peace in syria washington beats the drums of war against a rant and much much more on this edition of.
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some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow. he's the of the center of political strategic and. also strat but we also have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander mackerras he is the editor in chief of the duran dot com or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate look at let me go to alexander material in in london here i remember the days the years ago when the u.s. led go against chile was in progress and nixon asked kissinger to make sure that the economy there would scream is that the same game plan that we have here with venezuela because it seems like the shock and awe of regime change is spent and now we're going into a different frame of phase of this force regime change in caracas go ahead in
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london i think you are yet to answer your question i think that is exactly what the game plan is i think the intention originally was to provoke action by the military in effect a military coup against president maduro who as you correctly say remains the internationally recognized legitimate president of venezuela representing then its various international organizations including the united nations the military did not act as anticipated it has remained solidly behind president material and his government so now all the plan seems to be to try to block a then as well as far as possible tightening the grip on its all exports which were vital energy resource ramping up sanctions against these. increasing economic hardship there whilst at the same time using
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a humanitarian aid what's what's called humanitarian aid to join to destabilize the situation least equally internally by creating facts on the ground within venezuela . we know it works by shifting the economic balance. which the united states and we've heard humanitarian aid before coming from the lips of a man that has been in the business of force regime change in latin america and that it's only at abrams well he didn't have a very good time did he in front of congress because a continent congressman or woman omar asked the most germane question mark is what were you lied to this committee thirty years ago are you going to lie again i'm paraphrasing it's very interesting that the united states wants to continue or increase the blockade of venezuela well the same time sanctioning it so it
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wants to get humanitarian aid whatever that is because there is a humanitarian crisis quote unquote but they're part of the process product part of the problem when it comes to sanctions well i think there is us. who actually planned this school i think the confused when you so i will follow the name team with russia in one thousand nine hundred nine or with iraq in one thousand nine hundred one usually needs people are impressed by the mere notion of him when you darien lake their drop in bomb but they're also dropped in on iraq you know. sex of grain or of. floor you know things like that the impress of people well the nice reverence just like just like salvador and they have credit or you know in the ninety years the eight years of the liberal regimes which supported the united states which are conducted to nobody but all the forms so they know that there can
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be an aid and there can be a lot of talk about free enterprise and how been the poor and that the same than you may be very. very poor having nothing to eat so they are more. and then ask the russians in one thousand eight hundred nine what we're going to really impress so if anything they've all seen this you know how it ends there isn't any of the reason because if you compare with the o's of color revolution which worked actually it worked when the current poor is already a pro-west you know look at you know which he was not the enemy of the west he was a friend of putin gave all the all potential resources to ten companies including us one he didn't do what he promised during his campaign. doing a language an official language and he didn't join the union and he probably is going to come clean look at. chevron as. even he's not going to see the tweeter
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when he was a minister for enough in the us is there even milosevic in the one thousand nine hundred sixty was considered the glue back and it got a bunch of after they don't wear any more let's be trade. yes there are still problems for the us government in venezuela that maduro did many mistakes but z's mistake of having close to him some western advisor exactly. five years ago in the last. you know alexander make me go back to london here that is the reason why. the the opposition in. character they don't want to have any kind of negotiations because the government is repeatedly over and over again even asked for international fora for negotiations to resolve this because the government in
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venezuela knows that if they deal with the united states directly that means surrender everything ok and we have at the same time the chinese turning around saying that they're going to maintain their relations with the current government the reason why we're talking about it because as i said in mind. it looks like the coup is faltering at least at this point but that's why they have elliott abrams go ahead in london yes i think that move juror has responded to this crisis actually with surprising intelligence at least surprising to me and he hasn't overreacted by rushing off and rounding up going to hunt all these are yeah because he's walking around yeah this is what i wrote in the back exactly but it was you walking around in a box in a sense because the expectation was that there would be massive protests behind the hasn't really had you know and i think mature understands that in fact by playing a waiting game with quite
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a lot actually going to lose its momentum and loses credibility or so and i think what you also understand that he starts to negotiate with mine went to the row then of course what is you to go shooting about material he said he's not prepared to agree to a transition erection whereby he gives not our right just negotiate with europe on the basis that it really does legitimate president if he does you completely lose the game go ahead if by the last days obviously even even the guardian admits their. complaint is a wooden stamp i'm quoting them if it's going to be a terrible embarrassment for the european union because of the other so another thing to be embarrassed about getting out of a twenty eight member qantas as well as they're the new leader of the country if it hadn't been for italy the e.u. or as an entity or what recognise would have recognized and this guy is just
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incapable of doing anything the people are the people we have in a fellow who have the experience of us intervention in latin america they're very skeptical about this humanitarian aid you know you mentioned. dialogue with all maher most a member of congress you know a republican she reminded him of an interesting she's a democrat. she said that. would you support and i'm factions within your soil that even gauges into war crimes crimes against humanity or genocide if you believe they were serving u.s. interest as you did in guatemala el salvador and nicaragua and i did not find a better answer than to see the day that do our job was elected in a free election el salvador has become to do what kristie yeah so let me remind our listeners that's why in el salvador what percentage of the little i would do in population lives in the united states that is because of the glorious democracy and
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because of the large debt so of our listeners. who don't know ukraine you know poroshenko is the same as duarte you know they saw far the results of his room have been the same so if you want to if you want ukraine if you want russia to go through the same fate as its neighbors then support. you if you wish to think about the fate of jewish people and he says to caring about it because look at the fame in syria they've no in ukraine because the country has collapsed is collapsing and know the feeling in. so we trust the u.s. and the. state department for the next revolution ok you're not in a position in in one country and the minister for foreign you're for the u.s. one come to you come to you and promise you. right hand you have to see me go to
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live in a survey go to alexander before we go to the break here my gut feeling is alexander is that trump being disinterested in foreign policy is he's well known to be i think the mice. and says that he's given pompei or bolton and abrams a green light up into but not for war so go ahead with your humanitarian aid you know backing these opposition people are people that in other individuals there will be willing to defy the legitimate government but they won't go to a military solution that's my sense right now go ahead in london i think that's absolutely right and i think there will be huge systems not just one trial by many people in the united states to military action in venezuela in fact if they go down that road it will be an admission that this operation which used to try and. has failed exactly i'm going to just add one very quick point to this which is that.
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this thing was clearly not thought through well they didn't understand yet thank you if you think. and what they deem this point recognizing it won't go in that way with us present tense telephone to say that they recognize him as the legitimate president of the country when he clearly is has rallied support exactly a target alexander i got to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with r.t. . we're witnessing something quite remarkable in the night twenty nine we're watching a country that's badly in
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a nineteenth century bubble really for. the last two hundred years they're going to crash into the twenty first century as if they're just being teleported into the twenty first. we came here. in many us states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time to. favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did they have given up the right to live among us somebody even proven innocent years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize this is not working and we actually do something about.
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seemed wrong. many believe to shape our disdain to become educated and gain from it equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. she's to look for common ground. welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter in belgium and you were discussing some real moves. ok gentlemen let's talk about another force regime change that's in process here we had a summit in warsaw it was basically evil framed as a middle east regional security but of course it wasn't a it was directed against iran even the host country poland after
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being. suffering the the tongue lashes of the vice president the united states mike pence about you know european union staying in the nuclear deal. which poland in hearing to as a member of the you it was a lot of could joining and it was absolutely a complete failure because they didn't get the results they wanted also we had benjamin netanyahu show up there showed up there and on his website talking about unity about going starting a war against iran which of course changed ok because they were delegates delegates from arab countries you can talk about closed doors and smoke filled rooms about your relationship in the arab world with israel but you don't do it so publicly yet well i think that people i didn't hear anyone calling their conference a conference of the media ways because it's simply not true they all called it and
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. that was the real name of it you know what we want now is the substance of it that we're not only because because of the substance but also because they're representative of the palestinian side of mahmoud abbas didn't he he refused to call there were no high level e.u. officials as well yes he refused to come for a very good reason he still feels insulted by the transfer all of us embassy from tel aviv. drops of them and they're also all why should palestinians come to a point for us but people are discussing basically the ways to contain iran iran has been helping but if you jesus for decades so it was not about israel and palestine everyone understood it was about iran and i just love the formula suggested by michael compel. that bought peace and stability in the region would just not be possible without confronting iran and of course now to remind me or
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brian in nine hundred eighty four. remember what peace peace is not possible without confronting iraq what does it mean for your war rate so if they are in a war so is war is peace. talking about democracy in el salvador i want to do our dead that is freedom is way very you know remember britain says freedom is slavery war east peace you know we have the same kind of talk. where is the state craft in all of this i mean the optics of the the bombastic language it is washington calls these conferences and just expects everybody to get in line in the european union really snubbed it ok they were not going to participate in this sharod ok it was a good we knew this way that we wouldn't do this comment or there is no learning curve there's no state craft there's no even pretense to diplomacy in my opinion
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syrian losers they want to work on see the defeat because it's a complete defeat again in the russia against syria of course against to against iran so the tried to move are the frontline in an as of in a place and they want to concede defeat and maybe. later but in many pins of person is this one and. there is a unfortunately very or. policy. which went already. that continual bomb being territory pretending that there is some iranian. where hoses or troops and and and the truth so you know it's very effective. since you can't you can see but it's a it's a symbolic it's a question of seeing it in a way it's a kind of a militaristic virtue signal you know in a way eleanor makers' let me go to you in london it's very interesting as this was
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going on in warsaw you had in sochi we had iran and turkey and russia discussing the very difficult and game for syria because the turks made promises in the last september and they're having a hard hard time monitoring those but the russians and the iranian seem to be expressing strategic patience still maybe what do you think alex well absolutely you know we come back to that would you use to craft the contrast between the lack of statecraft in warsaw where the united states can few convenes a call truce where nobody of any importance and start exposing its own isolation on this issue and response by criticizing us own our law. rowsley into language and the very careful patient diplomacy we see in sochi where
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as innocent that is where as you said correctly the russians and the rain ians are now trying to get the turks out of the whole war is lisa make at least make them honor their pledges that it's not it's not really a big thick red line there keep going not exactly and what i'm now hearing is that there's now discussion about some children joint operation russians. and the reigning ins joining the turks to try and bring some kind of alder to italy brought its that is diplomacy that's how to see works you talk you talk quietly measure you look to solutions you understand people's concerns you trying to satisfy its concerns you don't convene conferences without. proof airing it why was i just i just i had no idea you're so old fashioned ok david you know. let
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me remind you about our bill after mainstream press how they said in the beginning of the syrian conflict or russia is a lie that so with more terms and quarterly with the sunni muslim world now with aaron sorkin they radian president they're presented here for a shiite mosque and country. cleric. president of turkey a representative for the sunni morsel of world probably the most important one and president which in discussing the ways to resolve this syrian crisis isn't it a success and on the other hand in warsaw you know the poor media was so proud we're like the madrid conference in the ninety's was that this is what i read. that you know let me give you my. brothers in one thousand nine hundred one people talked about peace in the middle east they were not talking about the ways to attack iran so with ports it's always like that you know where they support
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a border on now when they support. and they have say they have good relations with israel i want to tell them again and again polish brothers don't delude you wet yourself you will get they have a habit of always the right of our city to pick the wrong side here and stay with syria here we we have no we can go back about a year ago where we have. alleged because we have always said alleged on this program even after all the media storm the alleged chemical gas attack in due main we have a b.b.c. producer coming out in saying that this was just made for show for camera oh yes and we as a result of the allegation donald trump ordered the bombing of syria illegal under international law most of the french remember when the minister of defense and for in your first presented the proof you know it was you know five or five pages of the document. and that proves the evidence is some video that found on the
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internet and the french specialist where sinking that there is some evidence that they used chemical weapons so it's all your sources you tube. for them it's all of force it's praise be to. you know it's a fixed news but when it is by is the government and the list so of course it of course is good and so what i'm waiting for know is from from paris from london from even berlin and of course from washington does give the prize. but you know in my opinion they won't say anything now well of course they're. looked at on the french or on the french t.v. is they once were sort. of the supporters or is it even didn't talk about b.b.c. report we're not talking about t.v. reports ok we're going to examine it in london you know exactly is absolutely right
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i mean here we have a major news. one of their producers and making a very important admission but it will never get to the point of apologizing to viewers for pushing a narrative that ended in violence when violence was used against international law with no real evidence being supported it all made public here but they just keep going on as if it never happened of course somehow some way it was russia's fault that somebody you allegedly used gas in syria you know that such a dysfunctional sense of what the media should do go ahead in london but can i just say i mean it's important to say she's a b.b.c. producer it is not the b.b.c. that i was very chair more with my words. but that it was it goes directly to the point you're making because of course the o.p.c. done which is supposed to investigate these things is now. has actually if.
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there's no evidence of salary and this particular producer saying that the one of the incident in the hospital which is the one that serbia was referring to that appears to have been staged now what this this show is the vital importance. eight proper investigation closely impartial internationally recognized investigation before you go to wall in this instance there was no such investigation there was a rush to judgment missiles were all extraordinary things was said across the media and people and property would destroy it all or killed and that is not how you supposed to do it your supposed first to find out what happened find out whether or not incidents like this are exercises in manipulation which an increasingly looks
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like this one was and then you come to some sort of international consensus about what you do that is not what happens and that's the lesson that should be learned and that's what the media it should be talking about and of course just do it you know it's so old fashioned now it's only curious my goodness by second i will guess that it was after. their abusive producer who stated that he can prove without adult that the hospital scene was stage was dull arty and i ask of us if they can go and work for their boy haasan d.r. this was the boy shown on this radio who gave a press conference you know all pursuit of it in there and he were gracious enough to tell our viewers that months ago that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember rostock was.
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but whole existence to do something. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to. have to try to be for us it's like the forty three in the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters of our. question.
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joining me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. from. what is described in the west as a russian invasion of crimea is if fact the presence of russian soldiers in crimea can you clarify that. they would could have to go to a bully is typical of a quote but the most of the most go full of the below could and. as long ago as eighteen zero four sevastopol is a naval base became the main military port of the russian empire on the black sea. during the second world war the heroic defense of sevastopol lasted almost
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a year and took hundreds of thousands of lives. therefore the naval base in crimea has a legacy of historical pride for the russian black sea fleet as well as being of huge strategic importance. those of us alive back then remember when they were soviet missiles put into cuba how frightened americans were and how angry and how we almost went to a nuclear confrontation over having weapons of that kind of destruction placed that close to the united states. just so if the united states considers cuba to be in its backyard. then crimea plays at russia's doorstep. the consequences of a u.s. seizure of the face or a nato.
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