policy orthodoxies is swift and unrelenting fighting for peace has never been so difficult. crosstalk in the politics of anti-war i'm joined by my guest daniel for watching in washington he's the c.e.o. of grassroots political consulting also in washington we have thomas polling he is a an independent economist and author and in percival we cross to the he's a former cia counterterrorism specials who is now executive director of the council for the national interest all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate philip let me go to you first and personal. i guess it took the advent of the election of donald trump for the neo cons to invade both major political parties and basically capture of the media because saying anything against war or foreign interventions forced regime change it's almost turned in to criminalize speech anyone that stands up and you

know we had these people in two thousand and three saying would be a walk in the park in iraq we all thought they were discredited but they're back with a vengeance almost like a stranglehold and it does concern me very much that there's a chilling effect on expressing your first first amendment rights go ahead philip. you know i absolutely have to agree with you i mean that's just. the atmosphere is very reminiscent of two thousand and one through two thousand and three just after nine eleven. the media is completely onboard the. coverage of what's going on and that is a disgrace and there are numerous indications particularly coming out of the recent warsaw conference that the united states it is as. if you are making allies. to move to

a military option against iran so this is pervasive the media is not questioning and he of the premises that this war talk is based on and the. republican governor credit party are basically on board and to so it's frightening and that's why it's interesting to see some antiwar talk actually emerging let me go to thomas in washington i mean when when donald trump announced that the u.s. troops would be withdrawing from from syria i was even i was astounded on how the media took charge and they looked for public figures to back up their narrative that trump is giving a. christmas present to putin discrediting america's position in the middle east abandoning the kurds abandoning israel here i mean this is exactly what donald trump i tried to articulate during the campaign coming through and he's. keeping up with his promises here i have plenty of criticisms of his

foreign policy but i agree with that the war in afghanistan is a failure it's time to bring troops home every single. clear thinking person that knows anything about afghanistan knows that here but the media because it's donald trump they just want to do the opposite is that my correct in saying that. peter everything you say is correct and it is truly crazy that donald trump should be the fulcrum of all that is going on that he that he should be the person who is kind of one third right on these issues and that he should be the person who somehow manages to surface the reality of the washington establishment you've got to realize the neo cons of actually been in power now for twenty twenty five years . and people need to understand what neo con me into words thrown around the people that it means that never again will there be a country like the former soviet union that can challenge the united states

anywhere that's the definition i work with and it is a it's a frightening thing because it the united states now thinks that it can show up on any anywhere in the world the south china sea the ukraine border. anywhere i want to place troops and change things it's doing that right now in venezuela it wants to get its hands on the oil there and it's been put under sanctions now for ten years and now blames the collapse of the enemy on the duro and then the media goes along with that and reports none of these stories and of course more than that it's also deeply embedded in the democratic party this is something that that has been camouflaged and we're in denial about the democrats a lot of them voted for the iraq war they were on board for the libya regime change they were on board for the legal entry into the syrian civil war we've got they've the democrats have supported the military that has eight hundred bases around the world in over seventy countries and none of this gets reported or talked about or what it says about ourselves and it's strange that donald trump should be the

person who is catalyzing some or some recognition of this you know it's very interesting daniel we if we could catalog for hours on this program the the catastrophes that these neo cons have brought upon the world and cost the american taxpayer of. it's almost impossible even to imagine the amounts of money that have been wasted but you know they've all been failures i tend to think you know if you kind of look at the past it is a kind of a guide to the future their plans will fail again but they might be but see there's a kicker to this one year they'll fail under trump's administration so you have the double whammy right there ok you want to undermine the president's foreign policy by doing the opposite and by promoting those programs those ideas they can play fail and he has to take ownership of it good analysis or not daniel.

i'd say this is a bit systemic problem since the carter administration and the green belt concept that he and version ski came up with but we have to say on this topic a systemic problem as well as a generational divide so it's part positive and negative this ystem a problem is our system was never set up for members of congress to be able to promote legislation in favor of neo-con ideology and the defense apparatus in order to get not just contributions but a future lobbying job or a defense contractor that is the heart and soul of the problem of why this is promulgated to the eight hundred bases in seventy countries and allowing every president to have their war and over the last twenty years completely disregarding the war powers act and allowing even the current conflict from afghanistan to syria to wherever else to be based upon

a seventeen year old war on terror declaration declaration of war against the country so that's the systemic issue now i'd say for the electorate and for at least some semblance of anti-war talk to be able to. head in this country the baby boomer generation that is more neo con ed will put on those yellow ribbons and raise the flag any time we have tech brown people. thank goodness they are becoming more marginalized to about thirty six to forty percent of the electorate whereas the largest voting bloc the millennial us this is the positive side of the equation are much more on told see gathered side yeah and so i think over it's going to take a while but over the course of years we will get there to where all of this is coming to question and i believe there will be positive changes but in the meantime president trauma to the establishment on both sides continue to play to the voters

that they expect to show up being the baby boomer neo-con generation both sides of the aisle and this will just continue as well as that will that we haven't built up we'll talk about the generational change in of in a minute i wanna go back to philip here another perversity in all of this is the congressional move to. have the united states withdraw its efforts in supporting the torture of genocidal war on on yemen but a lot of people are in congress are doing that to actually make. veto which i mean they're playing with this devastated countries fate here for for petty petty petty politics at home i mean the you know the magnitude of that catastrophe is completely most completely unknown on the american public but for members of congress it's just a it's a political ploy go ahead philip. you know i agree with you i mean this is essentially characteristic of how the democrats are playing their game against

donald trump. really are are saying we are opposed donald trump's policy in support of saudi arabia for good human reasons but of course that's not the case at all they could care less about that as they have. in syria and in libya and in terms of their public atsugi towards iran so they don't care about that they're just scoring against trump in hopes that this will embarrass him and so we see this playing out constantly and the fact is that what's lost in the in the game here is what is the interest or what are the interest of the american people the american people opinion polls seem to indicate they are tired of the constant wars that have not heard past years but. gabbert surface to reset recently they didn't have anybody who was kind of a spokesman for that and of course there are very powerful and well financed

interests who believe that continuing with the war economy and with the war policy is very much their interest you know thomas thing about tell c m e a i just didn't jump in jump in go ahead. well peter i think we got a short term and a structural long term problem the short term problem is how trump plays into this the neo cons of go both sides of the table covered so right now the democrats want to get rid of trump and they want to make trump the issue they get rid of him and then we finesse having a debate about the real issue which is our war opponent was setting we finesse having a debate about globalization we make trump the issue and then the policies continue in the next presidency that's the short term problem now the long term problem is i think some of the other participants have already alluded to is the basic structure of our politics which is money money money that way. congress cannot

stand up to the money of the war lobby on the health lobby and the many other nobodies that are out there because you need money to win if you go in and if you have so you have an incentive to take it and if you say no to them they promise to obliterate you by funding an opponent of yours and then you dig deeper into our system. you got all these fake think tanks you know the the atlantic council the german marshall fund that putting out fake policy analysis fake national security analysis that then gets picked up by the media that treats these people as authentic you know ok i'm going to jump in here i'm going to jump in here but i'm not i don't i've been on the receiving end of those people ok we're going to go to a short break gentlemen after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the politics of anti-war say with our.

eldest son. i'm just that i said. there was a building. into him about a question about. the money i don't know i don't want to know about. this is really the. mystery. of the. world there and you know that a little off and you know. a lot.

of this idol of the. you know world of big partisan issue. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it still loyal. book video

a clue in the new bill is that i'm pulling you to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four to. those who took part in this today over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered on peter you're discussing the politics of anti-war. ok let me go back to daniel and watch and you know one of the interesting i really like what you brought up about the what the met mama let me think about foreign policy and i think you're spot on their own there's some very interesting research out comparing. three generations and on you know the boomers and the what i guess

they're called the z's in and the millennial and you know it when we look back at the two thousand and sixteen sixteen election the media was completely blindsided by. by the support that donald trump had because well they have their values and that's what they talk about and they talk to themselves in their own group think and it seems to me that this is happening again we have. a political establishment that is completely invested in the war in the war machine and an interventionist foreign policy the media loves to go along with it you know a love war i mean it is such a great for their bottom line and all those beautiful missiles that was one of the worst moments in television history in my opinion but it's happening again and i and i think that this is you're seeing such a disconnect here with public opinion and if you don't ask them the right question

you're not going to get the right answer you'll just completely ignore it which i don't put past them here i think there's a growing tension here and i think this is where tulsi really taps into it though i think she'll be obliterated even before the primaries i mean the attacks on her are unbelievable she has flaws in my mind but every person every politician does but i think someone that has that kind of appeal who should be given a platform and argue her case she was on m s m b c and she was plummeted but she wasn't destroyed ok she knows what she's talking about and she showed the people that were asking her questions that they don't go ahead daniel. the lack of respect for that one instance in and of itself is unbelievable from the corporate controlled media that's another systemic issue we have we're not supposed to have protected free speech from media that trades on the stock market and has lobbyists that can influence congress and vice versa that's a whole nother conversation but told sigebert wore the uniform served in iraq has

the opinion of many many soldiers that i talked to that are generation x. on to the millennial generation that have served in the middle east whether it be syria afghanistan iraq or whatnot they have a lot of the same opinion except for they're not allowed to speak it out outside of having a beer with them but told c represents that generation that apparatus that mentality she seen combat she's worn the uniform and that blatant disrespect and disregard for her opinion from that to being a member of congress who has traveled to these areas as a member of congress received intelligence briefings and is privy to a lot of information and that example alone speaks to the problem that we have from the media itself and you'll see her absolutely excoriated by her colleagues as well in her party as she was in two thousand and sixteen when she was just a member of congress and leadership of the party trying to ban the senators and

allow some of that agenda to come out at that point she was removed basically forced to resign from being the vice chair of the party at that so you know the trend continues you know philip you worked at the cia you know i'm sure you would keep up with current and former colleagues there and probably no military personnel as well i mean when they look at her candidacy and i'm not throwing my support behind her i'm throwing support behind some of her words that i think need definitely to be heard and do certainly read. innate with a lot of people that's why she's controversial that's why they pile on her because they want to stifle it and all of what we've been talking about is also an attack on the right to dissent and this is what i get i worry about every single day in touch on every single program i make go ahead philip. you know one thing i would point out that nobody's mentioned up till now was that she was incredibly

courageous when she made her personal trip to syria yet to meet with the leadership who has the situation on the ground that that gets her lots of points with the with the constituency you're referring to which is former intelligence officer who are military personnel who were knowledgeable of what's going on in the middle east and in afghanistan and i don't know a single one of my former. classmates or former army colleagues who actually supports the current policies that the guy was pushing and most of them are very very sympathetic to what else you can average day so i think we're seeing a groundswell which the politicians are going to be the last ones to want to recognize and but if not momentum they might have to recognize it and certainly that is what i am hoping will develop out of this we need

a discussion a nationwide discussion on america's role in the world and that has long overdue well thomas it seems to me that donald trump should be a little bit worried because we do have evidence in certain can read congressional districts that current serving military personnel and veterans found a message of anti interventionism attractive in pa and possibly the reason why they voted for him he could lose that constituency with what philip said in an article recently a real anti-war candidate here what do you think about that thomas in washington. well peter i'm really not so interested in trump and i think i think i'm going to lose and we're ok with that but all right well let's go ahead because let me come back to tell to let me go peter peter let me come back to tell but here she's a very interesting person yet i don't think she's got any chance of getting the nomination for a lot of reasons including the relative inexperience effect comes from

a small state on the other hand winning isn't everything she could in fact be the most important candidate on the list to the extent that she gets the conversation changed now i think bernie sanders understands what's going on i don't think elizabeth warren does i like i read her foreign policy speech at american university and i don't think she gets it if gabbert shows that there are votes here then those folks will recalibrate and come on board and that then gets to the important where are those votes coming from well i think they're actually coming potentially across the sphere we've talked about the minutemen there in old gen x. is there they're already they are no longer very happy with our economy the american dream is dead for them so that they can't be bought off in the way of the past then you move up the generations a bit and americans are kind people they don't want to kill people nor do they want to get killed and so they are a little confused gap and begins to unpack their confusion by beginning to make

them understand as of one of the speakers that america's place in the world that's what it's about and that begins to tear through some of the propaganda that begins to tear through some of the military industrial complex issues and so i think he's a very important candidate potentially perhaps even the most important but i couldn't agree with you more thomas and i'm glad you interrupted me again because that was very well said daniel one of the things that i really worry about when tulsi went to syria and had a meeting with assad i thought that was very courageous and i thought it was something that need to be done ok because american straight statecraft and diplomacy what happen. to it it's gone it's missing in action here. daniel what i do worry about is the weaponization of all this is that if you talk to someone like assad in syria or you think there should be a dialogue with russia you are almost portraying your unpatriotic feelings you're a traitor treacherous behavior i mean it's gone it's gotten so weak stream that if

you voice anything beyond the the mandated mainstream you are considered beyond the pale even to talk to that is not going to move the needle in the right direction for anyone go ahead daniel. yeah and that's where i talked about that hopeful optimism of the uptick of involvement in the next election especially and we did see it in two thousand and eighteen from the millennial zz. showing up and turning out to vote because that is the only thing where a member of congress someone in the senate or a presidential candidate is going to really hear and feel that pressure and sent to me that that's the opposite of what they're playing to and pandering to the neo con baby boomer generation that thirty six to forty percent of the base that really is the only thing that will break through the corruptive money that we discussed in the political process is when they feel that the voters could alice them then

you'll have more conversations like should we continue to propagate the war in yemen should we continue in syria should we continue one thousand nine hundred twenty more years in afghanistan and that it's really that public pressure that is the only thing that's going to change this national conversation and hopefully we'll start to feel that and see that next year when the primary elections will you know come up long will be in pain so we'll see philip you know one another trend that is going on simultaneously is shutting down dissent on the internet knocking off websites that have alternative news that can be either. of the left to right speech is speech and we see this concerted effort the atlantic council has already been mentioned you know what there's an advisor to facebook could you imagine a worst advisor to have it i mean outsourcing. the right to express your opinion to people like that ok we're seeing it all over the place i know

a lot of people in alternative media and they're being throttled that they're being disappeared and bush broad daylight they're being be monetized and from what i understand from people that like to boast about their love of censorship this is going to get more and more intense so we may not have that national conversation because the networks and legacy media certainly doesn't want to have a conversation go ahead philip. you know that's absolutely correct i mean and the the interesting thing about it of course is it's. it goes from left to right in political terms that people are being censored for offering alternatives explanations of what's going on. whether it's to the left until the right seems to make no difference it's a it's a bad trend and there was a recent story about. that some some organizations some shattering organization was monitoring the internet discovered that the russians were very

interested in tosi on what she was doing and b.s.a. recounted that n.b.c. reported that. recently and then it turned out that bill kristol and his gang an organization called alliance for securing democracy one of these new well what is behind us so there is going to be a lot of this remember toastie has made as the centerpiece of her campaign the antiwar message and this is new this is new in american politics. since g. mccarthy anyway but but i for one to em. well i for one on this program and is going to keep on keep on this story here gentlemen we're brown out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in person and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember.

i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter to us with over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent world market thirty percent some with one hundred to five hundred per second per second and when he rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers over. the only number you need to remember one one business show you know for the mid one and only boom but.

the us need. to keep the slime due course knew the focus on the us to do so he's. going. to see in the. boy. oh yeah don't let. no one. came here where did you work before you came here when you live. in many us states

capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us somebody even proven innocent of two years on death row and how many more tolerations is it kind of take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. it you know.

look at their. headline stories on his own year old state of the union address president putin reveals that russia has successfully tested a new nuclear powered underwater drone we'll bring you unique video of the tense also in the president's speech today. not going to go well u.s. partners have to be honest and straightforward with russia does not pose a threat to anyone or any.