in the courts or if you did and i want to you know don't go back to the u.k. parliamentary chaos is elected officials abandon the parties that got them into power ball the ball coming up in today's going on the ground the first even before the broadcast of wednesday's episode we were inundated with tweets over a clip featuring journalist but disobedient allegations that the white helmets have been involved in the trustees including human trafficking and organ harvesting in syria in fact the allegations had originally streamed on the united nations t.v. channel as part of a un discussion on the british backed white helmets organization in syria the clip being commented on was actually part of a whole going on the ground episode that included challenges against unverified claims and invitations to the u.k. government the white helmets and others that did not stop eliot higgins of the belling categorisation infamous for exposing alleged chemical attacks in seoul's re tweeting i wish i could say i was surprised russia today would rule because this disgusting insane propaganda about the white helmets but it's actually just very own brand for them another staff member of belling cat nick waters tweeted of the

twitter organization against going underground complaining that the clip we posted was against their rules he wrote her a twitter and at twitter support this tweet is a flagrant violation of your rules this tweet is a perfect example of a state sponsored act using your platform to spread this information putting lives of first responders at risk this has real world lethal consequences twitter responded to complaints against going underground saying we have received a complaint regarding your account on the ground on the score r.t. we have investigated the reported content and could not identify any violations of the twitter rules so accordingly we have not taken any action at this time for betting cat which has received grants from google and george soros we invited both and the take ins in the quarters to appear on the show both declined and hagen's did they respond with this tweet russia today has just asked me to go on going underground because of this tweet probably defeat the impartiality for the inevitable off calm complaints i'm not going to let. a channel that promotes

conspiracy theorist's any credibility by appearing on some show no serious person watches of our interview with journalists and has a really a burning of the university professor scott lucas also reference u.k. regulator ofcom he said liar shameless liar being used by hashtags russia's state and its outlets like. underscore komati dot com has take syria hash tag propaganda when i ask birmingham university about awareness of u.k. defamation law professor lucas tweeted sorry i can't chat i'm with some folks from off gone right now they say hello to you and your buddies has that russia has tracked propaganda hash tag syria so far we've not heard from the u.k. media regulator ofcom about wednesday's program but scrutiny of a different kind was leveled at british t.v. interviews this week of a so-called isis bride trapped unarguably rented stay close by to resume home secretary such a java joining me now is one of the world's greatest human rights lawyers geoffrey robinson q.c.

geoffrey welcome back to going underground just before we get on to other things what you make of the child abuse summit it's the top and the pope is the top and boy does he have a problem because there is now so much evidence out there that child abuse was in demick tens of thousands who could not hundreds of thousands of children have been abused by catholic priests and even catholic bishops and so i think the first thing the church has to do if it really wants to be serious about this epidemic is to end the idea of brainwashing true internet age seven into confession and communion. the other religions of the jewish faith wait to thirteen or fourteen to inculpate young people so i think the basic reform if it's not to end celibacy and bring women into the church that would be

too radical but the basic group who used to spare the brainwashing indoctrination of communion and confession until the young person he's old enough and maybe confident enough to resist and to appeal if they are subject to rape will obviously get govern from the vatican on the ground of suggested reform let's move to a story that is because at the top of the headlines all week we actually spoke to president assad's advisor who said that. they would it would be good if the syrian government was to try the so-called isis bribe him and said trial in syria they'd searing her up or do something very nasty to her if you don't agree she should be dried in this i think it's cruel and inhumane first of all he forgot about a child the child is british born before

a nationality was taken away so the child can come back to britain and action on the child's behalf can be taken to bring them out the back but i think the courts are sure to return to him secretary's decision so why did he do it measured just stateless i should just say that his revocation of citizenship according to the job of the secretary of the child could be separated from the mother maybe that's a policy led to another act of cruelty you know i think the he did he tied their own wrong legal advice or because he wanted to appear tough he's a candidate for the tory leadership wants mrs. may disappears down the black hole of briggs it and that makes him with the. right we know the conservative party say the so-called mainstream media in this country is now quoting polling results i'm sure writes about it's going to favor. medieval

justice but they keep telling us about polling vast majority of the population want citizenship revoked and indeed the media is seems to be without. question of whether we should or should be a matter of the judge after hearing all sides and hearing all the circumstances not for a newspaper or for even for public opinion otherwise we would have had the death sentence so i think the important thing if we believe in the rule of law is to bring him back into view prosecute well before joining a prescribed terrorist organization that carries up to ten years in prison and to leave the judge to decide what sentence to pass. up to hearing the mitigation which undoubtedly would be but she made

a mistake at the age of fifteen as a child if the home secretary says this is nothing to do with any leadership plans and becoming prime minister of this country this raises the public good that he's mentioned could this teenager threaten leagues distance and united kingdom nonsense it's quite interesting there were a couple of very unfair interviews unfair and not ethical because they were done immediately after she'd given birth no one is in the state to to give an interview and of course she got things wrong but there was one good fair interview a few days before by the time. and she made it very clear she said she was glad that isis was being destroyed because of its corruption and oppression that she has so fed witness so if that's the state of mind

of the it was. then i don't think she's likely to be any danger and that's a matter to be assessed after she's sent well an enemy of isis president assad you believe that he should be tried in the international criminal court yes i think the evidence is his wife by the way does a british citizen is where an extraordinarily his wife who's an accomplice gangstas mol accomplice of a man who's committed we could crimes against humanity retains british nationality mr java doesn't suggest the chief should lose it and this pathetic teenager is has it taken away. because you favor quite a few people being taken to the criminal court. what are we going to do about the

for the isis fighters i mean they're guilty of aiding and abetting genocide had to be use e.d.s. and the christians they go to your crimes against humanity killing civilians severing heads and so forth barricade what's going to happen to the eight hundred or so. isis fighters in turkey. doesn't want them and the kurds who have the main custody welcome donald trump is claiming they should be sent back to europe and. changes right in that sense that they should be tried in some way they've got to be punished how do we punish them we can't execute them because international or an european law doesn't have the death penalty the answer may be to try them as a drug blocked in the hague in the international criminal court so that we get

a new room berg style judgment at the end telling us just. isis started just how it committed these hideous crimes over a period of four or five years. in favor of prosecuting all these developing nations people living today they'll be as. they're all from europe the eight hundred from europe but fighting in the developing world yet fighting in the middle east for a barbaric would you know your macro should be tried in thousands of being injured they're using these. grenades the l b d forty is on civilian populations. has been used nine thousand to three thousand injured as a t.n.t. against civilians why don't you want micro only european in the hague but i don't think he's given the orders. to injure anyone obviously under french law or if any policeman injured is another demonstrator without due course they should be

prosecuted no i don't see a problem that it's not a persistent brutal crackdown on protests under article seven well if there was an order to shoot to kill or to even to beat up demonstrators who were not violent then obviously there is a crime under french law ok well venezuela. we had professor present as a human rights expert on saying that britain is acting and the european union and the united states has been acting illegally under. the un general assembly resolutions recognizing one venezuela. that he is writing principle about but recognition has always been regarded as a political decision not a legal decision. so that even though in international rule.

remains head of state he won the election made to be partly because the opposition decided not to stand because they feared it would be rigged. at that may be the case but that is the legal head of state. european countries which america which refused to recognize him doing that as a political act not as a legal leg to even though ignoring international law let me just quickly get to your client lula in brazil is in prison what did you make of him getting another thirteen years in prison i think it is. there is there is a mentality in the judges. determined

walked to keep him in prison sort of the bolsa. has a clear run would have beaten both so naro last year in september before the election he was leading him almost double the vote but the judges against the order of the united nations the united nations human rights committee said that move them must be allowed to campaign and he must until his conviction by these biased judges is considered by the supreme court you must be able to stand as president and brazil a new judges simply ignore that jeffery rhodes and thank you after the break should more m.p.'s be excommunicated from the labor board judge we ask. chris williams and than the head of the bar as a parent essential visitors. like ray. is a major name checks promise and his will as she does m.p.'s bolus of all the

mailbox you have going on the ground. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next about different clubs on one hand it is logical to sort of go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and the fresh perspective i'm used to suppressing and i saw one on t.v. . i'm going to talk about football not for you or else you think i was going to go. by the way ways and such like here. welcome back

france's president probably has other things to think about today and other demo in paris and thousands injured in the deadly yellow vest uprising but for other european leaders egypt is on their mind more specifically the egyptian seaside to resume said you'll to attend a meeting in sharm el shaikh that she wants to use for bricks it if she appears there it will have been essential according to the u.k. foreign office because the u.k. foreign office advises against all but essential travel by to or from sharm el sheikh but the head of this proposed essential bricks at meeting she repeated accusations by british labor party m.p.'s that labor was anti semitic i never thought i would see the tag when jewish people in this country were concerned about their future in this country and i never thought i would see the day when a once proud labor party was accused of institutional anti semitism this came up to an anti called an israeli lobby linked labor m.p. resigned citing jeremy cool beans alleged and. semitism something you deny is anti

semitism has no place whatsoever in any of our political parties you know in life you know our society. mr ellis be quiet so the speaker had to intervene sophie brazile is the u.k. house of commons amidst defections from labor and tory parties to a defacto new york on the liberal center now accused of racism and opposing the un on extreme poverty in britain drazen may double down on her attack on corben what do we see from his labor party the nuns and his friends it's random the united states and they can turn our hero churchill ok not. be unbearable and will be spinning in their graves that's what the writer honorable gentleman has done to our once proud labor party. we were mad at him to trade for our international viewers hatton refers to derek unliveable politician just readmitted and then suspended after being thrown out of labor for refusing to

implement thatcherite cuts sadly and van credited with universal health care also supported the malaria mergence either killed thousands in southeast asia but what sort of parliamentary party has your recall been provided over since he was elected twice as the leader of one of western europe's largest socialist movement joining me now is keith corbin parliamentary ally chris williamson m.p. chris welcome back to going underground quite a week for labor so it's emerged this week the party that you have been in it is the parliamentary labor party have people like angela smith in who's out to apologize this week for. accusations of racism we knew the chuckle mouna had to apologize previously for calling working class people trash or appeared to be calling them trashing apologized what sort of party is the party that you belong to well those views are ultimately unacceptable obviously you know they have apologized for them when he was still a member of the party and the smith now that she's left but i think that your problem. well i think it's important to remember and i always make this point that

the parliamentary labor party isn't a labor party it's a very tiny proportion of the labor party less than zero point four percent in fact of the total membership of the party and as a democrat i believe that the you know the grassroots members that make up the party and that's why i'm so supportive of the notion that it should be down to members at the grassroots level to determine who they want as their candidate going into a subsequent election so sitting m.p.'s in my opinion should face an open selection pro why did it take so long you've had members that are now in this independent group who plainly were not liked where they considered celebrities well look it's not a matter for jeremy coburn as leader of the party so much of the conference the national executive committee majority sits on the national executive committee but we are a democratic body of the labor party and people find this difficult sometimes to get their head around that you know jeremy isn't this all powerful individual who can decree a course of action and then it happens we have to go through a democratic process and this is something that jeremy supports but i come back to the point the key thing is that labor party grassroots members should have the

right to an open selection now we have got opus elections at the moment but we we do harbor what's known as a trigger ballot it's easier to trigger a contest and so in those circumstances i think it's right and proper if members are dissatisfied with the city member of parliament if they feel that some of the views they've all to kill ated all wrong acceptable then they also have the ability to choose someone else if they were possible you pay me your well i've got to come back to the point that it should be down to the members at a grassroots level in the constituency there's no policy to do that although there is a me now that the the truth about the system has been changed which makes it easier now for members gushers members in each constituency party to have an open contest if they so wish and it's also remember that joan ryan and several of the other m.p.'s who have left the party failed a vote of no confidence in their constituency and it was pretty obvious. i think from the the the chances of them surviving

a recently contest were fairly slim and so they probably jumps before they were posted reality they deny that absolutely and say it's about policy i'll get on to policy in a second but. so until the kind of reforms you're asking for in are implemented we are literally talking about the fact that you go around talking the talk against austerity while having people in your body riddled maybe your bertie with people who can join them a subaru use the tory who defected to the well sarah he was absolutely necessary i don't have a problem with well i think that is revealing the true colors of some of the individuals who left the party if they feel it's ok to get into bed with someone who thinks that you know the austerity period that we've witnessed that the coalition government were a positive thing for this for this country it kind of reveals that they weren't really subscribing to labor's values and these little surprise therefore they were

insistent on opposing my campaign for open selections because i think if grassroots members of the party are given the right to determine who the candidates are i think it's highly unlikely the people with these questionable views will survive the selection process and i always make the point you know because sometimes people say oh well you know the leadership leaders paula meant terence and so they need to speak all the truth to the grassroots members i see these are the way around because these are grassroots membership who are in touch with reality they're in touch with what's happening on the ground in each individual stitchers the up and down the country and it's them they should be speaking hard truth to parliamentarians this is a real danger i mean people talk about the westminster bubble the people do get live because of the way to get can get a bit detached from reality and we had this terrible spectacle didn't we in the period when ed miliband left her home and took over as the interim leader when the. election leadership election process was was in full swing when the

welfare reform bill came before parliament and of the four candidates standing in twenty fifteen for the labor leadership jeremy was the only one who voted against the rest of them went along with and they were whipped by the leader at the time to abstain like this was a piece of legislation which was going to cause even greater hardship and was going to single out women in society the vast bulk of the cuts were going to fall on the shoulders of women so there's an irony there for for you know the leadership of the target and that was there is no doubt it just shows how little has changed since jeremy corbyn to google earth about right because i mean i think the policy agenda of the party is very different radically different to the gender of tony blair goldman certainly miliband as well as ok well one feature of all these desertions has been apart from anti semitism because it's usually empties so music has been the charges leveled against your party but it's because of early charge and we're

only going to lose a portion of fighting racism ever since it was founded we stood with the jewish community in the one nine hundred thirty s. on cable street resisting most of these fascists i and jeremy and many many others of my generation were very active in the anti nazi league fighting the literally actually and some circumstances fighting the national front and you know we have no truck with racists with bigots of any form in the labor party got a proud tradition that's not to say there are isolated examples but any bigger any racist any on c.c. by has no place obviously has no place in the labor party a bit like i was asked to to accuse jeremy called babe of this because he's a man who spent his entire life fighting racism bigotry i mean when he was elected as a leader the first thing he did was to go to a rally in support of refugees that's the mark of the man in a will obviously if that may be the case because we have communicated itself. out to the public in the andrews georgia is on the committee you're in parliament has

been she's been on this show she immediately apologized for suggesting israel might have something to do with the breakaway labor m.p.'s they are labor friends of israel why did she have to apologise to you all just basically scared in jeremy corbin's put it well i think that there is a degree of of intimidation you know that people have been subjected to but also i think people don't listen to many of you i think well nobody is intimidated me but you know i get a lot of flak you know because i do stand up but i can understand why people are already about putting the head above the parapet as it were never course you know an improved case or many doctors thought the reason why she said what she did and why she withdrew those comments but i don't think she would want to you know cause offense to people and sometimes you know people can take things wrong when i do think it's important that we we're trying to use our words carefully we try and be as sensitive as possible because the last thing you know labor a true labor member and certainly labor m.p. would want to do would be to upset and hurt people we invite her on the show but

you say you know there has to be a sensitivity mike gapes one of the other lever's winters said basically corbin is wrong on russia syria and event is where the world of the why specifically those three to make a lifelong labor politician. one hundred eighty degrees wrong on all of those actually and there were there was some revelations i think it was last week in relation to the alleged chemical weapons attack in duma. unimpeachable source and suggested that that was indeed stage management or jeremy was suggesting in that and indeed in the script whole case and so on the same we'll assess that evidence i mean clearly this is totally unacceptable that polling what happened to the scruples and sublets of some evidence about who's responsible who's behind it and let's not have any need reactions and as for venezuela of course will look again mark is completely wrong on base because we know why but as well i mean that makes them wrong turns no doubt about the government i think they would not. but the reason why venezuela is in the position that it is is

a number of races one the oil price collapsed secondly the the economic sabotage at the elites in venezuela the gates and thirdly the extreme violence the right wing forces have meted out and the odds that they are. burning down government buildings warehouses to store storing food and so on when the been trying intervene to try to address the the shortages and so on then of course this is then been further exacerbated by the u.s. sanctions started with obama has got worse on look at all of those you know what those opinions by the breakaway breakaway people on syria this country has been talking so much about bricks that little evenly split symbolic as isis runaway bride teenage bride when you make of the home secretary deciding to be playing to the plate playing to the right wing galleries play it playing to the tabloid price is going to sort of a kneejerk response makes him look much o.

until and as if they're really you know taking firm action but you know the truth is i mean it tony bennett wants to you know talk about being tough on thought crime and tough on the causes of crime we could kind of apply that really i think to you know looking at why are people radicalized and this young woman was fifteen i mean she was a child and she still is a child really now british citizen i think we have a responsibility and i was as a nation and they mean the truth is that as i understand it it's that the syrians would like to try her in that country and of course if we abandon her in that way she could potentially face the death penalty because williams and thank you and we'll bring you more about the story on monday when we speak to the president of syria bashar al assad strong your advisor dr behavior should.

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this i don't. as far right parties obsess about the danger is them presents to the western lifestyle some islamic scholars are concerned about the opposite i know it's been gone the dead muslims don't step up their game within the next twenty to forty is islam they vanish from europe all those fia's really justified. in twenty four to you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know here i mean you know i was put through me.

president recalls the events of twenty four g. and. those who took part in this did over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. crunch time a deadline to lead us to aid shipments into but as well are imposed by its opposition leader expires today the country's president alleges that deliveries could contain weapons of mass demonstrations in the balkan country albania where thousands are rallying against government corruption protests in the west have condemned as undemocratic. and we speak to a german pensioner who is being a victim from the flat he's lived in for a quarter of a century he asked.