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regulator ofcom he said liar shameless liar being used by hashtag russia's state and its outlets like. underscore komati dot com has take syria hash tag propaganda when i ask birmingham university about awareness of u.k. defamation law professor lucas tweeted sorry i can't chat i'm with some folks from off calm right now they say hello to you and your buddies has that russia has tracked propaganda hash tag syria so far we've not heard from the u.k. media regulator ofcom about wednesday's programme but scrutiny of a different kind was levelled at british t.v. interviews this week of a so-called isis bride trapped unarguably rented stay close by to resume home secretary such a java joining me now is one of the world's greatest human rights lawyers geoffrey robinson q.c. jeffrey welcome back to going underground just before we get on to other things what you make of the child abuse summit it's the top and the pope is the top and boy does he have a problem. it was in day make tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of

children have been abused by catholic priests and even catholic bishops and so i think the first thing the church has to do if it really wants to be serious about this epidemic is to end the idea of brainwashing children at age seven into confession and communion. the other religions of the jewish faith wait to thirteen or fourteen to inculpate young people so i think the basic reform if it's not to end celibacy and bring women into the church that would be too radical but the basic group who used to spare the brainwashing indoctrination of communion and confession until the young person he's old enough and maybe confident enough to resist and to

appeal if they are subject to rape well the will of the good govern from the vatican on the ground of suggested reform let's move to a story that is because at the top of the headlines all week we actually spoke to president assad's advisor who said that. they would it would be good if the syrian government was to try the so-called isis bride valium and sad trial in syria they'd searing her up or do something very nasty to her if you don't agree she should be dried in this i think it's cruel and inhumane first of all he forgot about a child the child is british born before nationality was taken away so the child can come back to britain and action on the child's behalf can be taken to bring them out the back but i think the courts are sure to turn to him secretary's decision so why did he do it measured just stateless i should just

say that his revocation of citizenship according to the job of the secretary of the child could be separated from the mother maybe that's a policy led to another act of cruelty you know i think the he did he tied their own wrong legal advice or because he wanted to appear tough he's a candidate for the tory leadership wants mrs may. disappears down the black hole of briggs it and that makes him the. right we know the conservative party say the so-called mainstream media in this country is now quoting polling results i'm sure the rights granted to you don't really favor. medieval justice but they keep telling us about polling vast majority of the population want citizenship revoked and indeed the media is seems to be without yes we're doing this all pose a question of whether we should see should be

a matter of the judge after hearing all sides and hearing all the circumstances not for a newspaper or for even for public opinion otherwise we would have had the death sentence so i think the important to the if we believe in the rule of law is to bring him back into view prosecute well for joining a prescribed terrorist organization that carries up to ten years in prison and to leave the judge to decide what sentence to pass. up to hearing the mitigation which undoubtedly would be that she made a mistake at the age of fifteen as a child if the secretary says this is nothing to do with any leadership plans and becoming prime minister of this country this raises the public good that he's mentioned could this teenager threaten league systems and united kingdom nonsense

it's quite interesting there were a couple of very unfair interviews unfair and not ethical because they were done immediately after she'd given birth no one is in the state to to give an interview and of course she got things wrong but there was one good fair interview a few days before by the time. and she made it very clear she said she was glad that isis was being destroyed because of its corruption and oppression loot she herself had witnessed so if that's the state of mind of the it was. then i don't think she's likely to be any danger and that's a matter to be assessed after she's served a sentence well an enemy of isis president assad you believe that he should be

tried in the international criminal court yes i think the evidence is wise by the way does a british citizenship as well an extraordinarily his wife who's an accomplice gangstas mol accomplice of a man who's committed we could crimes against humanity retains british nationality mr java doesn't suggest the she should lose it and this pathetic teenager is has it taken away. because you favor quite a few people being taken to the criminal court. what are we going to do about the for the isis fighters i mean they're guilty of guilt to you crimes against humanity killing civilians severing and so forth barricade what's going to happen to the eight hundred or so. isis fighters in turkey he

doesn't want them and the kurds who have the main custody of them donald trump is claiming they should be sent back to europe and further changes right in that sense that they should be tried in some way they've got to be punished how do we punish them we can't execute them because international or an european law doesn't have the death penalty the answer may be to try them as a drug blocked in the hague in the international criminal court so that we get a new room. judgment at the end telling us just. isis started just how it committed these hideous crimes over a period of four or five years while you're in favor of prosecuting all these developing nations people living today they'll be as. they're all from europe the

eight hundred from europe but fighting in the developing world yet fighting in the middle east for a barbaric would you say you know your macro should be tried in thousands of being injured they're using these. grenades the o.b.d. forty's on civilian populations. has been used nine thousand to three thousand injured as a t.n.t. against civilians why don't you want micro only european in the hague but i don't think he's given the order to injure anyone obviously under french or if any. sman injured is another demonstrator without due cause they should be prosecuted no i don't see a problem that it's not a persistent brutal crackdown on protests under article seven well if there was an order to shoot to kill or to even to be top demonstrators who were not violent then obviously there is

a crime under french law ok well venezuela. we had professor present as a human rights expert on saying that britain who is acting and the european union and the united states has been acting illegally under. the un general assembly resolutions recognizing one venezuela. that he is writing principle about but recognition has always been regarded as a political decision not a legal decision so that even the international rule. remains head of state he won the last election made partly because the opposition decided not to stand because they feared it would be rigged. at that may be the case but that madrid the legal head of state.

european countries which america refused to recognize him doing that as a political act not as a legal leg even though ignoring international law let me just quickly get to your client lula in brazil is in prison what did you make of of him getting another thirteen years in prison i think it is. there is a mentality in the judges. well i determined no matter what to keep him in prison sort of that. as a clear run would have beaten both sonar zero last year in september month before the election he was leading him almost double the vote but the judges against the over the united nations the united nations human

rights committee said that moving them must be allowed to campaign and he must until his conviction by these biased judges is considered by the supreme court he must be allowed to stand as president and brazil and new judges simply ignore that jeffrey rosen thank you after the break should more m.p.'s be excommunicated from the labor board judge. chris williams and the head of them or as a parent essential visit just like to raise a major. bolus of all females ought to have going into.

politicians to do something. they put themselves on the line they did accept it or reject it. so when you want to be president one should. somehow want to. have to go right to the press it's like the full three in the morning can't be good . i'm interested always in the water in the house. as night follows day all paper money becomes worthless and not state history of the last three hundred years and gold has survived and now been quite a synthetic gold or new gold or gold to point out except that it has properties that exceed those of gold well see that now starting to gobble up as this enormous black hole in the currency space all for your money will be converted into a big one the dollar the yen. the drachmas. they're all going to go to bed

quite. welcome back france's president probably has other things to think about today another demo in paris and thousands injured in the deadly yellow vest uprising but for other european leaders egypt is on their mind more specifically the egyptian seaside resume's said you will to attend a meeting in sharm el sheikh that she wants to use for brics it if she appears there it will have been essential according to the u.k. foreign office because the u.k. foreign office advises against all but essential travel to or from sharm el sheikh but the head of this proposed central bricks at meeting she repeated accusations by british labor party m.p.'s that labor was anti semitic i never thought i would see the day when jewish people in this country were concerned about their future in this country and i never thought i would see the day when

a once proud labor party was accused of institutional anti semitism this came up to an anti called an israeli lobby linked labor m.p. resigned citing jeremy cool beans alleged anti-semitism something you deny is anti semitism has no place whatsoever in any of all political parties you know in life you know society. this week watch the speaker had to intervene sophie brazil is the u.k. house of commons amidst defections from labor and tory parties to a defacto new york on the liberal center now. the racism in opposing the u.n. report on extreme poverty in britain driza may double down on the attack on corbin what do we see from his labor party the nuns and his friends it's random the united states and how they can turn our hero churchill a lot of. the unbearable and will be spinning in their graves that what the writer honorable gentleman has done to our once proud labor party. we remember that seemed

to our country for our international viewers hatton refers to derek unliveable politician just readmitted and then suspended after being thrown out of labor for refusing to implement thatcherite cuts sadly and van credited with universal health care also supported the military merge and see that killed thousands in southeast asia but what sort of parliamentary party has jeremy corbyn presided over since he was elected twice as the leader of one of western europe's largest socialist movement joining me now is keith corbin parliamentary ally chris williamson m.p. chris welcome back to going underground quite a week for labor so it's emerged this week the party that you have been in it is the parliamentary labor party have people like angela smith in his head to apologize this week for. accusations of racism we knew the chuckle mouna had to apologise previously for calling working class people trash or appeared to be calling them trashy apologized what sort of party is the party that you belong to

well those views are ultimately unacceptable obviously you know they have a bit she's left but i think that your parliamentary qualifying is important to remember and i always make this point that the parliamentary labor party isn't a labor party it's a very tiny proportion of the labor policy less than zero point four percent in fact of the total membership of the party and as a democrat i believe that the you know the grassroots members that make up the party i must why i'm so supportive of the notion that it should be down to members at the grassroots level to determine who they want as their candidate going into a subsequent election so sit. m.p.'s in my opinion should face an open selection pro why did it take so long you've had members that are now in this independent group who plainly were not liked by their constituency labor parties but look it's not a matter for jeremy coleman as leader of the party so much of the conference the national executive committee majority sits on the national executive committee but we are a democratic body of the labor party and people find this difficult sometimes to get their head around that you know jeremy isn't this all powerful individual who

can decree a course of action and then it happens we have to go through a democratic process and this is something that jeremy supports but i come back to the point the key thing is that labor party grassroots members should have the right to an open selection i'll go past elections at the moment but we we do harbor what's known as a trick about it it's easier to trigger a contest and so in those circumstances i think it's right and proper if members are dissatisfied with the city member of parliament if they feel that some of the views they've all to kill ated all wrong acceptable then the also have the ability to choose someone else if they were possible you've been campaigning or well i've got to come back to the point that it should be down to the members at a grassroots level in the constituency there's no policy to do that although there is a me now that the the truth about the system has been changed which makes it easier now for members grassroots members in each constituency party to have an open contest if they so wish and it's also remember that joan ryan and several of the other m.p.'s who've left the party failed

a vote of no confidence in their constituency and it was pretty obvious i think from the the chances of them surviving a recent election contest were fairly slim and so they probably jumps before they were pushed in reality they deny that absolutely and say it's about policy i'll get on to policy in a second but. so until the kind of reforms you're asking for in are implemented we are literally talking about the vaguely you go around talking of the two against austerity well having. people in your body riddled maybe your bertie with people who can join them a subaru use the tory who defected to the well sarah he was absolutely necessary i don't have a problem with well i think that is revealing the true colors of some of the individuals who left the party if they feel it's ok to get into bed with someone who thinks that the austerity period that we've witnessed that the coalition

government were a positive thing for this for this country it kind of reveals that they weren't really subscribing to labor's values and these little surprise therefore they were so insistent on opposing my campaign for open selections because that is all i think is highly unlikely the people with these questionable views will survive the selection process and i always make the point because sometimes people say oh well you know the leadership leaders paula men terence and so they need to speak all the truth to the touch with reality they're in touch with what's happening on the ground in each individual stitchers the up and down the country and it's them they should be speaking hard truths to parliamentarians this is a real danger i mean people talk about the westminster bubble that people do get to live because of the way to get can get a bit detached from reality and we had this terrible spectacle didn't we in the period when ed miliband left her home and took over as the interim leader when the the election leadership election process was was in full swing when the

welfare reform bill came before parliament and of the four candidates standing in twenty fifteen for the labor leadership jeremy was the only one who voted against the rest of them went along with and they were whipped by the leader at the time to abstain like this was a piece of legislation which was going to sightsee the vast bulk of the cuts were going to fall on the shoulders of women so there's an irony there for for you know the leadership at the time and that was their stood up just shows how little has changed since jeremy corbyn took over the years about right. because i mean i think the policy agenda of the party is very different radically different to the gender of tony blair called bob and certainly miliband as well as ok well one feature of all these desertions has been from anti semitism because it's usually empties so music has been the charges leveled against your party but it's been severely in charge and we're only going to look at it as it is a question of fighting racism over seeing most of these fascists i and jeremy and

many many others of my generation were very active in the anti nazi league fighting the literally actually in some circumstances fighting the national front and you know we have no truck with racists with bigots of any form of the labor party got a proud tradition that's not to say there are isolated examples but any bigot any racist any on c.c. by has no place obviously has no place in the labor party because it is going to ask to to accuse jeremy colby of they speak us he's a man who spent his entire life fighting racism bigotry i mean when he was elected as a leader the first thing he did was to go to a rally in support of refugees that's the mark of the man in a well obviously if that may be the case because he hasn't communicated itself out to the public in the roots george is on the committee you're in parliament has been she's been on this show she immediately apologized for suggesting israel might have something to do with the breakaway labor m.p.'s they are labor friends of israel

why did she have to apologise are you all just basically scared in jeremy corbin's put it well i think that there is a degree of of intimidation you know that people have been subjected to but also i think people don't listen to many of you i think when nobody's intimidated me but you know i get a lot of flak you know because i do stand up but i can understand why people are reticent about putting the head above the parapet as it were never course you know when ruth kay so many doctors thought the reason why she said what she did and why she withdrew those comments but i don't think she would want to you know cause offense to people and sometimes you know people can take things wrong when i do think is. that we were trying to use our words carefully we try and be as sensitive as possible because the last thing you know labor a true labor member and certainly labor m.p. would want to do would be to upset and hurt people we invite her on the show but you say you know there has to be a sensitivity mike gapes one of the other leavers winters said basically corbin is wrong on russia syria and venezuela one of the why specifically those three to make

a life long labor politician. one hundred eighty degrees wrong on all of those actually and there were there was some revelations i think it was last week in relation to the alleged chemical weapons attack in duma. unimpeachable source and suggested that that was indeed stage managed or jeremy was suggesting in that and indeed in the script whole case and so on the same we'll assess that evidence i mean clearly this is totally unacceptable that polling what happened to the scruples and sublists actual evidence about who's responsible who's behind it and let's not have any need reactions and as for venezuela of course will look again mark is completely wrong will base because we know why venezuela i mean they've made some wrong turns no doubt about the government i think they would acknowledge that but the reason why venezuela's in the position that it is is a number of races one the oil price collapsed secondly the the economic sabotage at the elites in venezuela at the gates and thirdly the extreme violence the right

wing forces have meted out and that they are. burning down government buildings warehouses to store it storing food and so on when the been trying to intervene to try to address the the shortages and so on then of course this is then been further exacerbated by the us sanctions started with obama has got worse on look at all of those you know shared those opinions by the breakaway breakaway people on syria this country has not been talking so much about bricks that little. even lease but symbolic as i says runaway bride teenage bride what you make of the home secretary deciding to play into the supply play playing to the right wing galleries play playing to the top lloyd price is going to sort of a knee jerk response he kind of makes him look much show until five and as if they really you know taking firm action but you know the truth is i'm an attorney but he wants to you know talk about being tough on the girls as of crime we could kind of

apply that really i think to you know looking at while people radicalized and this young woman was fifteen i mean she was a child she still a child really now british citizen i think we have a responsibility and i was as a nation and they mean the truth is that as i understand it it's that the syrians would like to try her in that country and of course if we abandon her in that way she could potentially face the death penalty because williams and thank you and we'll bring you more on that story on monday when we speak to the president of syria bashar assad has told me goodbye as a doctor but famous for the. must lead people by its own keep the slot. the focus on domestic abuse that.

you see in the draft almost that's pretty. good movie didn't. really believe. that. what do you do before you came here where did you work before you came here when as you live well death row in many us states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us somebody

even proven innocent after years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to to create the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous recalls the events of twenty fourteen. those who took coach has invested over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sort of go from fields

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