t.v. interviews this week of a so-called isis bride trapped unarguably rented stay close by to resume home secretary such a java joining me now is one of the world's greatest human rights lawyers jeffrey robinson q.c. jeffrey welcome back to going underground just before we get on to other things what you make of the child abuse summit it's the top and that there is now so much evidence out there that child abuse was in demi tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of children have been abused by catholic priests and even catholic bishops and so i think the first thing the church has to do if it really wants to be serious about this epidemic is to end the idea of brainwashing true internet age seven into confession and communion. the other religions of the jewish faith wait to thirteen or fourteen to inculpate young people so i think the basic reform if it's not to end

celibacy and bring women into the church that would be too radical but the basic group who used to spare the brainwashing indoctrination of communion and confession until the young person he's old enough and maybe confident enough to resist and to appeal if they are subject to rape well the will has to get govern from the vatican on the ground of suggested reform let's move to a story that is because at the top of the headlines all week we actually spoke to president assad's advisor who said that. they would it would be good if the syrian government was to try the so-called isis bribe him and said trial in syria they'd bring her up or do something very nasty to her if you don't agree she should be dried in this i think it's cruel and inhumane first of all he forgot about her

child the child is british born before nationality was taken away so the child can come back to britain and action on the child's behalf can be taken to bring them up the back but i think the courts are sure to return back home secretary's decision so why did he do it measured to her stateless i should just say that his revocation of citizenship according to the job of the secretary of the child could be separated from the mother maybe that's a policy led to another act of cruelty you know i think the he did he tied their own wrong legal advice or because he wanted to appear tough he's a candidate for the tory leadership wants mrs. a disappears down the black hole of briggs it and that makes him the. right we know the conservative

party say the so-called mainstream media in this country is now quoting polling results i'm sure they're right but it's going to favor a medieval justice but they keep telling us about polling vast majority of the population want citizenship revoked and indeed the media is seems to be without yes we're doing this all pose a question of whether we should see should be a matter of the judge after hearing all sides and hearing all the circumstances not for a newspaper editor or for even for public opinion otherwise we would have had the death sentence so i think the important thing if we believe in the rule of law is to bring him back into view prosecute well before joining a prescribed terrorist organization that carries up to ten years in prison and to leave the judge to decide what sentence to pass. up to hearing the

mitigation which undoubtedly would be but she made a mistake at the age of fifteen as a child if the home secretary says this is nothing to do with any leadership plans and becoming prime minister of this country this raises the public good that he's mentioned could this teenager threaten leagues distance and united kingdom nonsense it's quite interesting there were a couple of very unfair interviews unfair and not ethical because they were done immediately after she'd given birth no one is in the state to to give an interview and of course she got things wrong but there was one good fair interview a few days before by the time. and she made it very clear she said she was glad that isis was being destroyed because of its corruption

and oppression that she herself had witnessed so if that's the state of mind of the it was. then i don't think she's likely to be any danger and that's a matter to be assessed after she's sent well an enemy of isis president assad you believe that he should be tried in the international criminal court yes i think the evidence is his wife by the way does a british citizenship as well an extraordinarily his wife who's an accomplice gangstas maule accomplice of a man who's committed we could crimes against humanity retains her british nationality mr job it doesn't suggest the she should lose it and this pathetic teenager is has it taken away. because

you favor quite a few people being taken to the criminal court. what are we going to do about the for the isis fighters i mean they're guilty of aiding and abetting genocide to be is edis in the christians they're guilty you crimes against humanity of killing civilians severing heads and so forth. what's going to happen to the eight hundred or so. isis fighters that. turkey doesn't want them the kurds who have the main custody welcome donald trump is claiming they should be sent back to europe and. changes right in that sense that they should be tried in some way they. not to be punished how do we punish them we can't execute them because international or in european law doesn't have

a job blocked in the hague in the international criminal court so that we get a new room. judgement at the end telling us just. isis just how it committed these hideous crimes over a period of four or five years. favre prosecuting all these developing nation people living today they'll be on their own from europe the eight hundred from europe but fighting in the developing world fighting in the middle east for a barbaric would you say your macro should be tried in thousands of being injured they using these. grenades the l b d forty is on civilian populations. has been used nine thousand to three thousand injured as a t.n.t. against civilians why don't you want micro only european in the hague but i don't think he's given the order to injure anyone obviously under french or if any

policeman injured is another demonstrator without you which is they should be prosecuted no i don't see a problem that it's not a persistent brutal crackdown on protests under article seven well if there was an order to shoot to kill or to even to be top demonstrators who were not by then obviously there is a crime under french law ok well venezuela. we had professor present as a human rights expert on saying that britain is acting and the european union and the united states has been acting illegally under. the u.n. general assembly resolutions recognizing one of venezuela is. that he's right in principle about the. recognition has always been regarded as a political decision not a legal decision so that even though international rule. remains

head of state he won the last election made partly because the opposition decided not to stand because they feared it would be rigged well at that may be the case but that. little beagle head of state. european countries which america which refused to recognize him doing that as a political act not as a legal leg to even though ignoring international law let me just quickly get to your client lula in brazil. what did you make of of him getting another thirteen years in prison i think it is. there is there is a mentality in the judges. i determined.

to keep him in prison. as a clear run. both scenario last year in september before the election he was leading him almost double but judges against. the united nations the united nations human rights committee said. to campaign and he must until his conviction by these biased judges is considered by the supreme court he must be able to stand as pres and brazil and simply ignore that and thank you after the break.

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to use for brix it if she appears there it will have been essential according to the u.k. foreign office because the u.k. foreign office advises against all but essential travel by to or from sharm el sheikh but the head of this proposed essential bricks at meeting she repeated accusations by british labor party m.p.'s that labor was anti semitic i never thought i would see the day when jewish people in this country were concerned about their future in this country and i never thought i would see the day when a once proud labor party was accused of institutional anti semitism this came after ninety called an israeli lobby linked labor m.p. resigned citing jeremy corbin's alleged anti semitism something you deny is anti semitism has no place whatsoever in any of our political parties you know in life you know our society. mr ellis be quiet so the speaker had to intervene sophie brill is the u.k. house of commons amidst defections from labor and tory parties to

a defacto new york on the liberal center now accused of racism in opposing the un report on extreme poverty in britain tourism a double down on our attack on corbin what do we see from his labor party the nuns and his friends it's random the united states and how they have turned our hero churchill. the pattern will be spinning in their graves that's what the writer honorable gentleman has done to our once proud labor party. we were mad at him tell it to our country for our international viewers hatton refers to derek houghton the liverpool politician just readmitted and then suspended after being thrown out of labor for refusing to implement thatcherite cuts sadly and van credited with universal health care also supported the malaria merge and see that killed thousands in southeast asia but what sort of parliamentary party has your recall been provided over since he was elected twice. as the leader of one of western

europe's largest socialist movement joining me now is key corbin parliamentary ally chris williamson m.p. chris welcome back to going underground quite a week for labor so it's emerged this week the party that you have been in it is the parliamentary labor party have people like angela smith in is there to apologise this week for after accusations of racism we knew the moon had to apologise previously for calling working class people trash or appeared to be calling them trashy apologized what sort of party is the party that you belong to well those views are ottilie unacceptable obviously you know they have apologized for them chuckle when he was still a member of the party of the smith now that she's left but i think that your parliamentary qualifying is important to remember and i always make this point that the parliamentary labor party isn't a labor party it's a very tiny proportion of the labor party less than zero point four percent in fact of the total membership of the party and the democrats i believe that the you know the grassroots members that make up the party and that's why i'm so supportive of

the notion that it should be down to members at the grassroots level to determine who they want as their candidate going into a subsequent election so sitting m.p.'s in my opinion should face an open selection pro why did it take so long you've had members that are now in this independent group who plainly were not liked by their constituency liberal causes well look it's not a matter for jeremy coleman as leader of the party so much of the conference the national executive committee majority sits on the national executive committee but we are a democratic body of the labor party and people find this difficult sometimes to get their head around that you know jeremy isn't this all powerful individual who can decree a course of action and then it happens we have to go through a democratic process and this is something that jeremy supports but i come back to the point the key thing is that labor party grassroots members should have the right to an open selection i am going to selections at the moment but we do harbor what's known as a trick about it and it's easier to to trigger a contest and so in those circumstances i think it's right. proper if members are

dissatisfied with their city member of parliament if they feel that some of the views they've all to kill ated all wrong acceptable then they also have the ability to choose someone else if they want is what you've been campaigning or well i got to come back to the point that it should be down to the members at the grassroots level in the constituency there's no policy to do that but there is a me now that the the trick about a system has been changed which makes it easier now for members gushers members in each constituency party to have an open contest if they so wish and it's also remember that joan ryan and several of the other m.p.'s who've left the party failed a vote of no confidence in their constituency and it was pretty obvious i think from the the the chances of them surviving every solution contest were fairly slim and so they probably jumps before they were pushed in reality they deny that absolutely and say it's about policy i'll get on to policy in a second but. so until the kind of reforms you're asking for area are implemented

we are literally talking about the fact that you go around talking about the two against austerity well having people in your body riddled maybe your berkely with people who can join them a subaru is the tory who defected to this well sterrett it was absolutely necessary i don't have a problem with well i think that is revealing the true colors of some of the individuals who left the party if they feel it's ok to get into bed with someone who thinks that you know the austerity period that we've witnessed that the coalition government were a positive thing for this for this country it kind of reveals that they weren't really subscribing to labor's values and it's little surprise therefore that they were insistent on opposing my campaign for open selections because i think if grassroots members of the party had given the right to determine who the candidates are i think it's highly unlikely the people with these. it will views will survive

the selection process and i always make the point because sometimes people say oh well you know the leadership leaders paula men terence and so they need to speak all the truth to the grassroots members i see it these are the way around because our grassroots membership who are in touch with reality they're in touch with what's happening on the ground in each individual stitchers the up and down the country and it's them they should be speaking hard truths to parliamentarians this is a real danger i mean people talk about the westminster bubble that people do get to live because of the way to get can get a bit detached from reality and we have this terrible spectacle didn't we in the period when ed miliband left her home and took over as the interim leader when the the election leadership election process was was in full swing when the welfare reform bill came before parliament and of the four candidates standing in twenty fifteen for the labor leadership jeremy was the only one who voted against the rest of them went along with and they were whipped by the leader at the time to

abstain like this was a piece of legislation which was going to cause even greater hardship and was going to single out women in society the vast bulk of the cuts were going to fall on the shoulders of women so there's an irony there for for you know the leadership at the time and that was their stood up just shows how little has changed since jeremy corbyn to google earth right because i mean i think the policy agenda of the party is very different radically different to the gender of tony blair goldblum and certainly miliband as well as ok well one feature of all these desertions has been from antisemitism because it's usually entries so music has been the charges leveled against your party but as we are very in charge and we're only going to look at it as a position of fighting racism ever since it was founded we stood with the jewish community in the nineteenth thirties on cable street resisting most of these fascists i and gerry. me and many many others of my generation were very active in

the anti nazi league fighting the literally actually in some circumstances fighting the national front and you know we have no truck with racists with bigots of any form in the labor party got a proud tradition that's not to say there are isolated examples but any bigot any racist any on c.c. by has no place obviously has no place in the labor party because i was asked to to accuse jeremy called baby of they speak us he's a man who spent his entire life fighting racism bigotry i mean he was elected as a leader the first thing he did was to go to a rally in support of refugees that's a mark of the man in a will obviously if that may be the case because he hasn't communicated itself out to the public and yet ruth georgia is on the committee you're in parliament has been she's been on this show she immediately apologized for suggesting israel might have something to do with the breakaway labor m.p.'s they are labor friends of israel why did she have to apologise and you all just basically scared in jeremy corbin's put it well i think that there is

a degree of of intimidation you know that people have been subjected to but also i think people don't listen to many of you i think when nobody is intimidated me but you know i get a lot of flak you know because i do stand up but i can understand why people are reticent about putting the head above the parapet as it were never course you know when ruth kay so many doctors thought the reason why she said what she did and why she withdrew those comments because they think she would want to you know cause offense to people and sometimes you know people can take things wrong when i do think it's important that we were trying to use our words carefully we try and be as sensitive as possible because the last thing you know labor a true labor member and certainly labor m.p. would want to do would be to upset and hurt people we invite her on the show but you say you know there has to be a sensitivity mike gapes one of the other leavers winters said basically corbin is wrong on russia syria and event as well a lot of the why specifically those. three to make

a lifelong labor politician well mike one hundred eighty degrees wrong on all of those actually and there were there was some revelations i think it was last week in relation to the alleged chemical weapons attack in duma. unimpeachable source that suggested that that was indeed stage managed and all jeremy was suggesting in that and indeed in the script whole case and so on the same we'll assess that evidence i mean clearly this is totally unacceptable that polling what happened to the scruples and sublets absolute evidence about who's responsible who's behind it and let's not have any need reactions and as for venezuela of course will look again mark is completely wrong will base because we know why venezuela i mean they've made some wrong turns no doubt about the government i think they would acknowledge that but the reason why venezuela is in the position that it is is a number of races one the oil price collapsed secondly the the economic sabotage at the elites in venezuela at the gates and thirdly the extreme violence the right wing forces have meted out and the suburbs are that they are. burning down

government buildings warehouses to store storing food and so on when the been trying intervene to try to address the the shortages and so on then of course this is then been further exacerbated by the us sanctions started with obama has got worse on looking at all of those you know what those opinions were the breakaway breakaway people on syria this country has what been talking so much about brics that little evenly split in poland as i says runaway bride teenage well you make of the home secretary deciding to play into the challenge to play play play into the right wing galleries play it playing to the tabloid press is going to sort of a kneejerk response he kind of makes him look much zero until five and as if they're really you know taking firm action but you know the truth is i mean it tony bennett wants to you know talk about be itself on top crime and tough on the causes of crime we could kind of apply that really i think soon. you know looking at while

people rather collided and this young woman was fifteen i mean she was a child she still is really no british citizen i think we have a responsibility and i was a nation and the i mean the truth is that as i understand it it's that the syrians would like to try her in that country and of course if we abandon her in that way she could potentially face the death penalty chris williams and thank you and we'll bring you more about spoil monday when we speak to the president of syria bashar assad's don't need your advise a book to be famous about. the list on. my side i said.

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