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kind of on the heels of josh fox you know he did gas land in that film or there igniting or to come out of the politics and i thought that people's consciousness would be raised somewhat about the dangers of fracking resit that didn't seem to reach dent and it didn't reach that industry i would say but a lot of people and didn't watch that movie and it in there was an aha moment that's what's going on it was able to connect it with a broader sort of global energy transformation some people thought this is like water drilling or what's going on nobody would inform us that was a big part of the problem nobody would say hey by the way we're going to put a gas well in your backyard and so it took the kind of that movie to help us connect the dots and realize what happened speaking of water it's an extraordinarily water intensive industry and they've got really two industries at loggerheads here because the cattle industry in texas that's very water intensive fractures that's a water intensive business and these two battling it out politically yeah that's a big part of it it's it's pitting water interests against each other around here
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municipalities are also big water users and so the cities are worried about how the fracking industry. is taking a lot of the water to just pour it down the ground where it sort of never recovers and it comes from aquifers right and these are confers are wasting asset they don't replenish once they're gone they're gone they're gone at least on any human time scale so yes and then the water that does come back up is polluted and you've got to find a place to put it and that introduces another problem where you have these disposal wells where you're pumping down millions of gallons of water and sort of destabilizing these formations which causes earthquakes right there at play another byproduct of this industry what did you find out about the economics of fracking i did a lot of research locally because when we started the band the industry hit us hard with a lot of flyers about how great it is for the local economy but in fact it hardly did anything you talk to city council they say it gives us a few extra bucks but we never rely on it because these wells deplete after two or three years. and so. really it did very little for our schools for our parks but
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they sure like to talk about how much it does right you say they deplete after two or three years with the financing the bond issuance are for twenty years so what happens is that the bonds can't be paid off and then there's a cycle where these projects are passed down down the they did the countability chain if you well into less and less accountable developers and you end up eventually abandoning the wells and it just becomes a huge ecological problem with no one paying for it all right yeah what we have around it is a lot of the bottom feeders we call them the lowest like cutthroat part of the industry that has no margin to work with and they cut every corner possible i've even had people in the industry with the majors you know the bigger companies look at what happened here it's that no way would we ever do this right this is a product of of a marginal company trying to get away with whatever they can in the short term and then now we've got three hundred sites all around they're like measles pockmarked
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around town and they're going to be abandoned and we we don't know how we're going to develop around these things who's going to care for them and it be it introduces like a land use planning meitner for the city bell your background is in philosophy and you come across as someone now who has a bit more circumspect. when you come to this issue philosophically speaking can you help us understand this in the grand tradition of philosophy because if you go back throughout the history of philosophy there's a huge body of work to suggest what happens to people when they engage in hubris are they gauging or narcissism you know they fail to know themselves you know philosophically we're just going adam you know as a professor of philosophy were we had it that's the best question i think i've ever got and i frame my book around this actually. it's sort of this the lesson of frankenstein in a way what we do with fracking and with so many technologies. if we kind of create
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something without thinking about all the wider ramifications all they're thinking about is how to get that gas out of the ground they're not thinking about the environmental questions the local control questions and so i think this is a this is a lesson learned about being precautionary. right but it's a lesson that's not learned and never learned and can't seemingly incompatible with modern capitalism where accountability is considered quote unquote an xterm ality. commerce and therefore not the responsibility of the commercial interests of the corporation it ends up in the municipal interest and then abandoned as you and it's a stark representation of abandonment because as you're saying these tractor wells that are not doing anything they're just debt gobbling catastrophes are just pockmarked the into the the environment i don't know if we'll ever learn this lesson because it involves collective responsibility and we have this myth of the invisible hand that somehow individually greedy actions will add up to sunshine and
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flowers for everybody and when you talk about the greedy hand the invisible hand of course adam smith and the wealth of nations he wrote a corollary book to this about the moral sentiments of capitalism or he talked about the need for regulation right to balance the greed of capitalism but no one reads that blog now that was an inconvenience this is an inconvenient truth they're like religious theocratic fanatics who only read part of the text and base all their actions on what they believe to be the meaning of the text but forget the entirety of the text yeah it's half truths that's all we want and that's the story of our age this tribalism we've got going on everyone wants a simple narrative and the invisible hand is such a wonderful simple narrative if you wrote another book that complicates it just forget about them right we don't have to worry about them speaking a philosophy if you've read much of john locke sure but isn't he the. and he said
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that when the social contract this broken the people must revolt in fact the people aren't really revolting at that point because the contract was was broken by the powers that be so we would just be reconstituting a new social contract yeah contract is broken with fracking i have a life jacket here you have your book i have got the constitution of the united states there we go in the pocket constitution so this is the social contract that binds americans together ok now if you have corporations overriding that contract by going against the people and imposing draco nian financial armageddon in the nomic slash ecological apocalypse the social contract is clearly broken and i'm so in as john locke said we need to therefore stage a revolt i mean is it time for a revolt what do you mean by a revolt i mean like we revolted against the british in seventy eight seventy six we declared our independence from the british we needed to clear our independence
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from the special interest of the energy industry well you know if you put it that way i'll give you that the social contract is premised on consent right the consent of the government is where power comes from and this didn't is a case study and how that doesn't work anymore we consented to has. to ban fracking and the government said we're going to listen to that so if that's what you mean yeah i'm on board with you where does that leave us engineers tech fix i mean i think we're putting all of us are putting our money on a gamble that the engineers will come up with renewable energy technology so you don't have to change the way you live you know you have to vote just keep the uncomfortable it will make it sustainable and the tech solution is where fracking comes from it's a tech solution to a diminishing royals problem yes but it the extra maladies are much greater cost in many different ways then the benefit yet which is why i was like to be in cost.
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well how about the tech solution do we need it perhaps a savior. we need. stuff here is something. to do with. the constitution in this book stop your consumption of energy do you think that'll work beautiful till we got this book we got my book the constitution to put these two together this will be the rock of our new church the foundation of our new religion no more fracking the church and no fracking let's go downtown and start preaching this message are you with me do you do you reject tracking in your audience. so it goes. with it i love it i think i work you know head into town and jim are preaching in the middle of town just jump in your car you gotta remember i renounce fracking so i got my bike. all right is that all right that's fine that's great man this will
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work because you know we've got to get into that haven't our announcing the big oil stood rooted in open word we're getting. good instructors. we can be here sitting on my hand through your hand out of this dump. testing time tracking bill sent me which is denton texas very much ground zero because they first frack and then the first to reject fracking and the first to have the state overall thing pass an anti fracking protest ban that doesn't sound very democratic to me but i was talking to the author and he said basically it's pure hypocrisy and bring. pure hypocrisy so has denton change your mind about fracking what do you feel abandoned. it reinforced what i already knew about
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fracking number one it's economically and number two it's environmentally disastrous number three there's a critical mass of people in any community big enough to push back against the entrenched all the darky of energy and of course if it's versus ranchers well the frack have the u.s. military on their side on the ranchers just have themselves on their consequence back to that second amendment right there oligarchies america goes in the following order military energy and then probably i'd say number three is the copyright cartel that's true to the state department so we're heading into louisiana now it's time to exit texas and go to louisiana i'm running close to it. and. as far right parties obsess about the danger is sends to the western lifestyle
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some islamic scholars are concerned about the opposite of our no advantage or no longer use the did muslims don't step up their game within the next twenty to forty years islam they vanish from europe all those fears really justified. from. firestone to keep the slime do you force me to. do so we. want. to see in the film which not just print but most would move. through.
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more. shame on him then. you know what. i thought of who is the lawyer who will accept the idea of what you should and would not buy this he knows that on the board of the six this up it was there was about as it's covered or we are going to be slipping i underline the snipping and go once they feel it's high on the line which means that we will be living in it before i go one this dude situation before his life it will find itself naive out of your wish i was big nor do i woke up because they're.
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going to hand over to the french quarter i was here before katrina you can actually see a lot of the changes in the city there's been enormous gentrification barack obama said dick h. and secretary arnie duncan said that hurricane katrina was the best thing that ever happened to public education in america because they were able to privatizing charter eyes all of the public schools here which were flooded and basically the charter movement which is about privatization their biggest problem is finding space to impose their agenda they need schools so all the sudden all these schools open up and now there are zero public schools and new orleans they're all charter schools that created the context for massive gentrification of new orleans and opened up the city to the privatization of really what was the last institution where there was lots of public money that had. they've been sold off already and
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now it's it's gone i mean who does that hit that it's the black population they're the teeth they're unionized in the teacher's union so many black women support so many families here and they start losing their jobs you know you would see ten thousand firings at once and then people have to reapply for their own jobs and nonunion positions didn't. come to power because. of the after my months after hurricane sandy i mean here you long just came to power on the promise to soak the fat cats and spread the wealth in because the state was totally underdeveloped undeveloped and you had all these farmers self identified hicks who couldn't get their crops to market on time because there were no roads and he said i'll build you roads this is what we saw crossing the u.s. this notion of building the infrastructure to create the wealth to provide access to markets and we no longer see that we in fact see the opposite we see extract in the wealth dismantling the infrastructure and taking yen privatizing the highways
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and basically privatizing all infrastructure you know extracting oil from the infrastructure instead of building the infrastructure with the original huey long you know he also helped build the bring the man the extraction industry to louisiana and really. distribute that wealth to the public you don't really see that as much anymore i mean the wealth stays in the hands of the extremely wealthy the b.p. oil spill was a huge disaster for the gulf of mexico and it was you know basically. a perfect example of the deregulation of the extraction industry then you have nearby today in st charles which is fifty miles west of here you have cancer alley this is one of the first settlements of freedom the freed black population they can't get recognized by the state and then. they have about ninety percent cancer
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rates and it's basically where all the plastics industry is centered. they're making all kinds of cancerous products there and the everybody there knows someone who's dying of cancer so basically you have some corporate democrat who's governor now john bell edwards and he is completely explicitly refused to do an environmental review in cancer alley they've done no specific review to show that it's a cancer cluster because the industry is so threatened by the scientific proof that they're basically killing a black population does new orleans play any role in trying happening like how did it how did we end up with trump well during hurricane katrina you had one of the big pastors who endorsed trump john hagy who has a huge church in san antonio which is a pentecostal church and he is the founder of christians united for israel he's a big figure in the evangelical pro israel lobby and he said that hurricane katrina happened because there's so much sin in this city that's the way that the christian
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right understands new orleans what is who built new orleans that's the french catholics and what is the christian right there anti well they have an alliance with catholics now but they started out as anti catholic baptists and pentecostals and so this city really represents. just like a cesspool of say tannic sin for the christian right and at the same time it seems like a place trump could actually be at home in right i mean you could see a trump tower being built here you could see trump you know dallying around with porn stars and whatever here he probably has done that why did they support trump why it's a good question i mean trump just got them the supreme court for at least a generation that's the dream of the christian right overturning roe v wade and you know short of that basically overturning the entire liberal agenda that we've seen on the court since or a war. became
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a justice we also have to remember that the christian right really thrives off of the culture of personal crisis i mean that was the real theme of my book republican camorra is that all these people who can't deal with modernity and living in a secular society because they couldn't control their alcoholism they hate homosexuality but they have homo sexual urges they can't they get involved in crime and drugs and then all of the sudden they wash their sins away in the redeeming blood of christ and bow down before the macho jesus who represents not them the prince of peace in the bible but you know gibson the mel gibson version of jesus the sadomasochistic fabby of nazareth. that's like the christian right's icon you bow down to him in this masochistic way and then you surrender and your sins are washed away and at the same time you know while being masochistic sadistic and you lash out at the evil doers the homosexuals who represent what you hate about yourself the abortionists the porn peddlers new orleans but at the same time
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you have to make peace with the political process so if some of those kind of flawed people like donald trump or brett kavanaugh are going to help you advance your agenda well i mean let's come in and and that's the dynamic witnessing that on the bench. so we're. gonzo american program is wrong coast to coast really get into the characters all of america what are you doing here i actually just want to get out of the beltway swamp and get down to the by you on the gonzo you got to pick a sunglass to go with you know the chips and the purple laser jimi hendrix. i'll take the hunter s. thompson mirror should say kind of the blue outfit like blue men the donovan mellow yellow member donovan from the sixty's yeah i'm a smoke a banana yeah exactly there was that. controversy about her you know we learned that this wanted by. different things yeah the swamp is you know what trump said he
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was going to drain but actually what we see going on there is just a bunch of contractors getting rich living like fat cats the swamp is expanded so our journey is called gonzo and we're here doing anthony bourdain hunter s. thompson. wouldn't like these don't you think i'm sure they're bored they would like give a detailed description of these ben you go this is really rich and exotic i'm not much of a. i don't know anything about food before dane also went out of use food as an entree to local politics yes. it was one of the actually the most political of our journalists he was one of the i would call him a journalist in a way because he made more radical political statements than anybody else on c.n.n. and a misunderstanding of the more left. side of politics he you know engaged with the
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cuisine of gaza and you're so you're going to one of the most political places on earth which is the besieged gaza strip. it's the most heavily surveilled place on earth it's a place. which is home to the most demonized population on earth and he managed to get in there as a c.n.n. host by focusing on the cuisine and so in a way that was really genius and he showed he humanized the people there who are just so around the demonized as terrorists and showed how rich their culture is and how closely connected they are to the mediterranean as a whole while they're surrounded by fences and drones and so radical act and you ask me and my. heart. fascinating max limit the amount of marching i mean anything from them to change locations i'm surprised you're not learning more about the. moment you know many of the restaurants in washington. we
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don't have the same value. the same. they do here. and she is. slightly. right there for the jazz you mention liz is a great writers town yeah oh look at this poet friar talking about writing the writers are busting out here we have a poem can i get an idea gonzo so we're all traveling across the country are trying to get in touch with the friction the geniuses at our america i met some ghosts in flak william faulkner mates hunter s. thompson lack in and then they interviewed a jew in new orleans roof over you know somebody had some brisket in texas we want
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to get in touch with the soul of who we are as a people man that's well that's why i was there right again for you guys see what's the state of poetry today in america a loathsome to those so that sometimes hard to pull one's going on into words without poetry you know you. can't all be dr seuss like he's done so it blows my mind that's my point right there is it i want to die just to survive longer when living there alone years pathing changed after katrina dilution of the true heart. nor was the one for us the most raw first guy who knows. we never saw new orleans and those things are starting to. see taken over a minute you know you know it's a nice of you are good the bar we have a whole bunch of. liquor you know a whole case of. and i require you order
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a drink to give you the ice in the glass from the liquor and it's just you know i mean the people you dollars need to stare for as long as you want to me she's not doing all this now sit back listen to jazz. talk to trash some people have me time right in so my cook's. going to bring is an ottoman like almost like you that you're the neighborhood or everybody look the neighborhood taste test you know i mean i hear what you're saying and what does that have to do with katrina oh it's just that it just said that the. concentration of these people who are all leaned on and like to see good news. is not something that you can go around every corner and seem to mean these to be you know i mean i bought the poetry as it changed pre and post katrina you're a poet and a certain point. kapil not poetry wasn't wasn't the first thing he was thinking
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about we want to write a book and still if you saw a bunch of known exactly what we were writing stories to tell stories pray tell us to tell each other it was like ballpark him mommas high spirits and i would like to know all that's ok he's going to meet the pope first good people is what i titled it hitting the beach hard making the bells ring the search for truth leads us to each of these cracks trusting our souls to settle someplace that will not rest for months but the samples that your our souls the cross-member ideas piling up we celebrate something we read in each of the designs that's beautiful i know. you know you're. hearing you. say. good. because.
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a philippine naval ship. but not for me ned. ninety dollars. just aren't abdulla still don't know who watch waiting for them. to see. the new tell you not to. pick it out of. the man on the line. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is on off and spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be
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