i don't think you're out of. time nobody. will come to so if you come sophie shevardnadze interested intentions are moving the middle eastern peace even further away will israel and palestine be locked in conflict forever well i ask mohamed just i am president mahmoud abbas's advisor. with yet another american leader trying to find a solution to the israeli palestinian conflict the bodies remain bogged down by a beautiful stalling accusations as hopes for peace continue to fade where might

a breakthrough come from to move the process along is there a chance of compromise with both sides entrenched in politics and grudges how can the international actors help resolve this century long quarrel. mohammad just a year adviser to president mahmoud abbas welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us today so mr is triads united states hosted a middle east conference in war so the palestinian side was invited to take part in this question of the arab israeli tensions how science foreign ministry called to some it's an american conspiracy aimed at getting the participants to adopt washington's views on palestinian issue so did palestine by boycotting it is actively throw in the towel without citing i mean were you is that sure that your voice would be hurt. well look. this sort of correlation that washington was trying to create and what a soul it actually produced zero results it has no value whatsoever out of there

want to do focus attention and shift attention from it being is that the source of conflict in the region to shift attention that iran is the sort of tension and the region which is totally untrue the most serious problems that the whole middle east is facing is actually they say to threats to all the region israel has occupied sinai the golan heights by this the number three south lebanon and so on so without ending the palestinian israeli conflict you're not going to go anywhere with the solving the middle east to show this is one secondly we know that it was a show of money did not attend to france didn't attend russia did not attend the ballistae knows what in moscow so all in all are locked united states was the one to do is simply a show and therefore we are not that enough interested in football fortunatus we are interested in serious issues still united states vice president mike hans has

set that to war so summit marked the beginning the new era with benjamin netanyahu breaking bread was an arab leaders diesel so to betrayed by your arab friends here well look the governing factor between us and out of countries is that a lot of peace initiative that obese initiative is the guy didn't lines for that abyss that i literally actions which explicitly states that is that i should withdraw from occupied co-directors and out of normalizing relations with israel this has not happened and therefore i think the arabs should not it is not the us should not betray the obvious initiative the so it is what a sort it about it it was floated about it money out of companies who didn't at the end and those who attended this it explicitly that this is not going to be their expense. by this time this is handling of the other issues for us but is somebody we said that we are not going to go we were hoping the companies should know about

them but each of the out of companies was actually basing its calculation on its bets on and trust within that original trump text but by all means this is not the way to handle middle east issues that with two hundred it is that the top be sufficient that is the guy declines for everybody the palestinian leadership has no trust in the united states as fair mediators in the middle east peace process anymore trump now is promising to roll up the middle eastern deal of the century in april what are your expectations of this deal. first of all there will be no deal because a deal needs above not of the palestinians autum up but of notice to up the because of them to tumble is initiating one secondly this deal is going to people are dead because we don't know the content of the deal that only talks about a state in gaza that doesn't. refer to six or seven borders that doesn't refer to

you by two or three that doesn't deal with the policy not if you g.'s that moves the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem the american embassy that is using a blackmail to kmiec and missile to try to push the by the scene a suicide and to accept the base the peace initiative or of the ideas that is not going to happen so for us we have spoken loud and clear our voice was loud and clear our president has explicitly stated that we are a month going to be bought at the do this deal and until now united states has not found them not in europe i'm not saying that i see your point but there are speculations in the press that the deal may include washington's recognition of its jerusalem ascalon to how science capital is that happens. do you trust the united states with a mediator role again well look. for us it is very explicit

that we need an international conference that is based on international law the man issue for us is to respect international law to respect united nations resolutions that is one secondly our president has called for and the national conference thirdly united states has always brueggemann to be a biased broke up and for of important issue that what is needed from united is this is to build confidence with the palestinians before united states. is submitting its ideas when for this building measures it means that they have to go to said out of jerusalem as capital of israel they have to go back on this issue they have to all but the washington be a law office and to resume funding for another one as well as other international to get this saw the palestinians are waiting for one thing that is building measures from washington the united states has criticized palestine many times for

stalling the peace talks how science chief negotiator sadie katz says there have been forty meetings with the u.s. representatives in twenty seven thousand alone why don't americans have an impression that college students are not interested in peace are palestinians actually styling at all those little well i mean this is very unfair accusations we have been and this process since october thirtieth one thousand and one since my day of confidence the peace process that we have engaged in it was up and down and all the time we had with engaged we had meetings three meetings with president obama four to seven meetings with john kerry we were engaging with president clinton we want to get in with president bush the son and the father and so on and so forth on the contrary by the scene as they did. never out of the show now with the faces of from these serious negotiations and now without accusing us of this thing go in from the negotiating table at

a time when the how big they think the shots united states is they can unilaterally measures against things that has been a good read between us on this and i just let me give you example jos i live is a negotiation issue between us on this level with the signature of that is that i as they say it is accepted that there was and it was a negotiation issue that israelis have accepted that if you g.'s is a negotiation issue that is that i have accepted that sixty seven borders but it is on the table so that is that is us and they have accepted all of that if you just as of that they will not affront to sixty seven borders so to most of that it will stay there out of taking both even thought of a head than the body of the right wing government and its allies so therefore it is not we who are staying away from that they have but it is united states that is that won't by the seen as those that are not up to you and the wolf that by the scene and do only signed the deal it will not have your president president abbas

called for establishing an multilateral mechanism for conciliation this time not led by the united states however it didn't look like europe was too excited about as concerted effort to mediation why do you think i mean can palestine hope to get more traction for this idea yes simply yes because in the end up with this conference two thousand and three it was agreed that and the national conference should pick this and more school didn't happen the friendship that i do have an international confidence. the united states attended john kerry was there but not on the whole didn't didn't come there says it didn't come no for us the most important side of the story is that the international confidence that president abbas has this. booking about is there on the table there are some european companies who are saying let's wait for a trump initiative the moment it is dead then we will make the other move and i

think there are a lot of seven european companies that are out of the really a bit of betting some ideas to call it the last that i'm fairly out of ideas that might emerge from europe and here i called up one the russian federation to really take the lead on this issue with china with some european countries because we have to have it forward back position the moment it i'm been issued they've declared a surprise time has long insisted on a two state solution but in september twenty. third up the idea out there to concentration with palestine israel jordan is this a sign of things to calm i'll say direction that the debate is about to take isn't time to look for outside the box solutions well look this is systematically destroying the possibility of a palestinian state which means systematically destroying a two state solution which does enjoy an international consensus one secondly it is

it is the state of israel that is pushing things into a total deterioration what does it mean the palestinians and israelis and palestinian muslims and christians there. about six point six million by the stadiums. i'm there about six point five million jews and historically by this time next year it went to twenty that by this thing yes it will be fifty one one six percent of the book your nation by this time so i thought it would be is that i accept the idea of two state solution with the by the sea knows that on the border that is over six to seven with your use of them as its capital or we are going to be slipping i underline the slipping into a one step at a yell at the eye on the line that he had which means that we will be living living

in a de facto one state situation and therefore is likely to will find itself neither the jewish as they claim not to be awoken i think as their claim and therefore what does this mean it means that it will become by de facto and about by the state and by de jure and about by the state because we have to take a short break right now mr stay a sorry i have to interrupt you we're back we'll continue talking to mohamed just i am president mahmoud abbas's advisor discussing the middle east peace process and the road blocks it's facing stay with us. but politicians to. put themselves on the line. they get accepted or rejected.

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when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. you know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks.

i will back with mohammad a stay at present would have asked his advice or discussing the arab israel attentions welcome back to the so mr a said benyamin netanyahu is a hard line leader who is base is to the right of center among the conservative more militant israel is using the ideology that his appeal rests on will let him actually give something up to palestinians i mean well his voters and ministers and army general friends allow him to do it no they chose not with out of their will allow him or to help their usual himself is not that it is to give anything he is not giving this is a what i hate this is our thought of today that says ok by now danielle has been given the chance in two thousand and ten he had meetings with our president this

that they bought a month and the presence of security that i had it i couldn't go and then he had meetings with our president there sharma ship and the president has to go bach and then he had the third meeting with our president at his house and with generals on him so all in all he had orders all border to do to proceed to make progress with this in of out of did and i think that he has and i don't know just and his that affliction of light winds for society that this but he didn't go about it i thought when government there is no bought about it is liable for us with the presence of miss that enough money oh so you think palestine should just wait for a change of leadership before any peace hopes can be realised. enough this is suddenly because we don't have to wait for somebody who is going to be deployed in south africa i think that the national community should book pressure on its lead to move we should look for a new pew biota to end its occupation there has to be

a serious and got a shot by shot of an order format that he will submit to the international will that this mission should end and it come up continue to do pressure is economic political and that out of so many means in which that the national community has brought about a tide system in south africa on its knees and it was and did with international pressure that then you know should face the same thing talks between hamas and other palestinian factions bought no tangible results in bringing all sides consensus can any agreement be reached with this route while there is no unity in the palestinian ranks. well they chose not to belittle it to do unity because the split among palestinians has been since two thousand and seven so what about. says the widget in which there was no space between ninety ninety three and two thousand and seven there was no split and there was no progress and so therefore i don't think that of course the does the heart of the palestinian cause and people who

will come under glim look you know but it's the there's a lot of divided with whom are we going to talk but the palestinian liberation organization to be a law is the sole legitimate that a prison that there will be the palestinian people whether and gaza in the west bank and bora everywhere woman as in our president he talks on behalf of the be a little with this that i adore the agreements has been signed with the p.l.o. so if there is light is already for peace we're out of the problem is that they find justification and excuses for really not and big the occupation that has occurred and i want to go to court in ninety six or seven what i've asked has been tightening screws on gaza cutting salaries to former government workers in the street and slashing funds for electricity supply from israel to gaza that's on yahoo has been accused of us of choking gaza i understand that he's measures are aimed at pressuring hamas to disarm but i mean people support for the group is as strong as ever this is me mahmoud abbas is measures are in

a sacked is. well look it's very unfair to say that by the scene or thought of he is actually putting all of these sort of things that he had in fact is that it is who is. seizure it is like that has been since two thousand and seven until today that has been really closing off gaza for the untaught ali there is no movement to people if it is going to allow. the stadiums out of the gaza strip even to come to the west bank we welcome that if it is going to allow trade between the west bank and gaza we want them by the state doesn't get a lot of people off there are a set of the measures that have been taken and now these measures are to just sell it as it has gone from fifty votes on to seventy five got a son and now it's going to be a totally different story so that we should not really shift focus from who is putting doesn't that

a siege it is that is that i live measures that has been there since two thousand and seven and all it does is see jd the palestinian all sort of is not really settling does our putting out a siege because of the end of the day we know the conflict with house is political we will not put. measures that is going to cause harm to our people these are our people who elected bunch is not something that we do we of course we want political solution to happen because the split is not in our favor and do we the only way for us to end this is that is by dia log and by agreement unfortunately many agreements that has been signed it has not been yielding simply because of regional factors and regional they are those who don't want to see this but have seen in unity happening including just like i say there hamas leader mahmoud out zahara has accused people linked to sata trying to track gas into another war with israel by firing rockets from the strip how can you respond to these accusations look i mean

. how masses and full control of gaza. fatah has not offered in gaza how much is it us wants a bill for the security situation in gaza this is something which is that addicted us because when the but i've seen or thought he was in gaza they are these people there were firing you know rockets on is that i am saying that this is and that ever is a stance why is it now that if somebody else is throwing brokers and it becomes doing it do you know. how. to conflict this is really something that is not understandable and it is not the product the most important thing is not who is going to push goes away the people in gaza how are people we want this conflict to end we want this to end and therefore there is not only one way out of this misery over gaza which is the palestinian unity one or thought of the one man one machine gun one goal and that's the only way out if not then we go to elections we have

said if our model forum and you can study action is not acceptable to hamas and if how much his model for any consideration is not acceptable to dos then let's go to the people let's in effect of the whole issue of the people live there but as the people decide through a elections and decide who is going to run the affairs of that but as the the people we are ready for that we had it before the elections and we are ready to go to morrow for elections the moment is that a lousy lost the habit of elections in jerusalem and how must allows us to have elections in the gaza strip. so one does moves only makes things worse i mean the logical question here is how can i hope to gain any foothold in gaza i think it's willing to treat its residents this way when according to december poll by the palestinian center for policy and survey research if snap elections were to be held hamas leader would have left president abbas way behind. well look i mean. as

we know what will be known as bombs are about it does show that fatah has in the lead it does show that although opinion as well is that i consult and see and so on i am on board of this organization that you are referring to the end of the day as i said they show is not about a billion dollars they sure is that if there is a will there is a way we want the elections to take place we are all saw asking european capitals to put pressure on israel to allow us to have elections in jerusalem and i hope that they shall would have us will be settled that hamas will really come to ground and accept the idea of going to elections very soon so according to some reports flowing in after the u.s. led conference and or so under trunks so-called deal of the country of the century the gulf states would bear the brunt of the costs of gaza's restoration would you

welcome baron wellman them in what hamas welcomed them given how close it wants to become with iran now. well look i mean any assistance for gaza is welcomed by us as long as it goes through the legitimate leadership of the palestinian people the legitimate of the but is the no authority as long as it goes through the offer shall join us we welcome that because the end of the day as i said earlier these people are our people but if this assistance is going to be inclusive with political with. does for certain countries that's a totally different story then it becomes a manifestation of the split and other than here really helping that a consolidation you know i recent report by middle east media research institute says the relations between the two palestinian parties are now at the point quote where each side is saying that the other no longer represents the palestinian people that's a direct quote how the palestinians feel about this in your opinion and did they do

they feel represented by any of the parties at this table can the whole affair result in an intifada against hamas. well the distinct feeling for this assumption is the opening of bowlers is the. boxes saw and instead of claiming this and i think that we challenge how must accept the idea of elections we ought to be for it well to do good to go out and we will bring democracy back into action for there by the scene of one of the guys i do you know which is very important to us to daily keep this sort of emotional think embryonic democracy that we started with it's should not die down one second and go to the issue is that these sort of claims clam on the counter claim it does how them ballast and it doesn't really help how much as it doesn't tell about it but it was said that you know this government is the judgment this government is

not legitimate the other end of the day that i felt a community will say to hell with both of them and we should avoid that and i think we should be at a sponsor been and say that this is that is how do we go out of people the way out is that a consultation is not to discredit each other on this issue but we know also that that is that the judgment leadership president abbas has been elected by the people there be a law which president abbas and also that is the sole legitimate that are present that the will of the but as the people which is that it could not is by all by this the indians which is it or not is by all out of companies which is there going now is by that the national community and united nation so if that is us that then go thought of the there is a unity and to be a little all right thank you very much for this interview we're talking to mohammad to stay and nicer to president mahmoud abbas discussing tensions between israel and palestine and ways to deceased and that is it for this edition of so soon come soon next time.

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