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welcome to. the shevardnadze interest in the intentions are moving the middle eastern peace even further away will israel and palestine be locked in conflict for ever well i ask mohamed to stay a president mahmoud abbas's advisor. with yet another american leader trying to find a solution to the israeli palestinian conflict the parties remain bogged down by

a beautiful stalling accusations as hopes for peace continue to fade where might a breakthrough come from to move the process along is there a chance of compromise with both sides entrenched in politics and grudges how can the international actors help resolve this century long quarrel. mohamed istar your advisor to president mahmoud abbas welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us today. so mr if the united states hosted a middle east conference in war so and the palestinian side was invited to take part in this question of the arab israeli tensions how science foreign ministry called the summit an american conspiracy that getting the participants to adopt washington's views on palestinian issue so did palestine by boycotting it effectively throw in the towel without fighting i mean where you that sure that your voice would be heard. well look. this sort of correlation that

washington was trying to create and what a soul it actually produced zero results it has no value whatsoever of their wanted to focus attention and shift attention from it being the source of conflict and the region to shift attention that iran is the sort of tension in very general which is totally untrue the most serious problems that the whole middle east is facing is actually there is the latest threats toward the region israel has occupied sinai the golan heights by this the number three south lebanon and so on so without ending the palestinian israeli conflict you're not going to go anywhere with the solving the middle east to show this is one secondly we know that it was a show of money did not at the end of france didn't attend russia did not attend the ballistae knows what in moscow so all in all are lucky united states was the one to do is simply a show and therefore we are not that enough interested in football fortunately as

we are interested in serious issues still united states vice president mike hans has set that to war so summit marked the beginning of the new era with benjamin netanyahu breaking bread was an arab leaders do you still sort of betrayed by your friends here well look the governing factor between us and out of countries is that a lot of peace initiative that obese initiative is the guy didn't lines for that abyss that i literally actions which explicitly states that is that i should withdraw from occupied co-directors and a lot of normalizing relations with this has not happened and therefore i think that ups should not that is not us should not betray the obvious initiative the so it is what us what it about it was floated about it money out of companies who didn't at the end and those who attended they said explicitly that this is not going to be their expense. by this time this is handling of the other issues for us

but is somebody we said that well i'm going to go we were hoping the companies should know about them but each of the out of companies was actually basing its got a position on it's better sort of entrust within that regional complex but by all means this is not the way to hunt the middle east this shows that with two hundred it is that the top be sufficient there is the guy declines for everybody the palestinian leadership has no trust in the united states as fair mediators in the middle east peace process anymore trump now is promising to roll up the middle eastern deal of the century in april what are your expectations of this deal. first of all there will be no deal because the deal needs above not of the palestinians autumn up but of notice to up the because of them to tumble is initiating one secondly this is going to people are dead because we don't know the content of the deal that only talks about a state in gaza that doesn't that doesn't and if it was sixty seven borders that

doesn't refer to you by two or three that doesn't deal with the but i've seen that if you g.'s that moves the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem the american embassy that is using blackmail to kmiec and missile to try to push the by the scene a suicide and to accept their base the peace initiative order they i thought i'm better ideas that is not going to happen so for us we have spoken loud and clear our voice was loud and clear and our president has explicitly stated that we are them of going to be bought of the do this deal and until now united states has not found them not in europe i'm not saying that i see your point but there are speculations in the press that the deal may include washington's recognition of is jim resilin ascalon to how science capital is that happens will you trust the united states with a mediate a role again well look. for us it is very explicit that

we need an international conference that is based on international law the man issue for us is to respect international law to respect united nations resolutions that is one secondly our president has called for under the national conference thirdly united states has always brueggemann to be a biased broke up and forth important issue that what is needed from united is this is to build confidence with the palestinians before united states. is submitting its i. dia's when for this building measures it means that they have to do you can said out of jerusalem as capital of israel they have to go back on this issue they have to all but the washington be a law office and to resume funding for another one as well as other international to get this saw the palestinians are waiting for one thing that is building

measures from washington the united states has criticized palestine many times for stalling the peace talks how science chief negotiator sadie katz says there have been forty meetings with the u.s. representatives and twenty seven thousand alone why the american seven impression that students are not interested in peace are palestinians actually styling at all those little well i mean this is very unfair accusations we have been in this business process since october thirtieth one thousand year one since my confidence the peace process that we have engaged in it was up and down and all of the time we had with engaged we had meetings three meetings with president obama four to seven meetings with john kerry we were engaging with president clinton we were getting with president bush the son of the father and so on and so forth on the contrary by the scene as they did never out of shana with their faces of from these serious

negotiations and now without accusing us of this thing go away from the negotiating table at a time when there how big they think the shots united states is taking unilateral measures against things that has been good between us and they say let's let me give you example jos i live is a negotiation issue between us on this level with the signature of that is that i is they say it is accepted that there was a limb is the negotiation issue that israelis have accepted that if you g.'s is a negotiation issue that israelis have accepted that sixty seven borders is on the table so that is that is us and they have accepted it. all of these things and now because a month on been saying that there was an abyss is off the table that if you just as of the day will not affront to a sixty seven borders so to most of that it will stay there out of taking both even thought of ahead than the body of a right wing government and its allies so therefore it is not we who are staying

away from that they have but it is united states that is that won't by the seen as those that are not of you and that once there by this thing and do only signed the deal it will not have your president president abbas called for establishing an multilateral mechanism for conciliation this time not led by the united states however it didn't look like europe was too excited about as concerted effort to mediation why do you think i mean can palestine hope to get more traction for this idea yes simply yes because in the end up with this conference two thousand and three it was agreed that and the national conference should pick this and more schools it didn't happen the friendship that i do have an international conference . the united states attended john kerry was there but not on the whole didn't didn't come there says that income no for us the most important side of the story is that the international confidence that president abbas has

a spoken about is that on the table there are some european countries who are saying let's wait for a combination the moment it is dead then we will make the move and i think there are a lot of set of the new european companies that are out of the really a bit of betting some ideas to call it the boss but i'm fairly out of ideas that might emerge from europe and here i called the russian federation duty to take the lead on this issue with china with some european companies because we have to have it for the moment that i'm been issued they've declared a. i suppose time has long insisted on a two state solution but in september twenty eighth president abbas reportedly thread up the idea of the trip are tied conflagration with palestine israel jordan is this is a sign of things to come the direction that the debate is about to take isn't time to look for outside the box solutions well look this is systematically destroying

the possibility of a palestinian state which means systematically destroying across this solution which does enjoy an international consensus one secondly it is it is the state of israel that is pushing things into a total deterioration what does it mean the palestinians and israelis and palestinian muslims and christians there. about six point six million by the stimulus. and there are about six point five million jews and historically by this time next year twenty or twenty that by the stadiums will be fifty one by one six percent of the total book you nation over by this time so i thought of today is that i will accept the idea of two state solution with the ballot seen a step on the border that is over six to seven with your use of them as its capital

or we are going to be slipping i underline the slipping into a one state and a yell at the i underline that which means that we will be living living in a de facto one the state situation and therefore is likely will find itself and i thought of jewish as they claim not to be a book i think as their claim and therefore what does this mean it means that it will become by de facto and about by the state and by de jure and i but i do we have to take a short break right now mr stay and sorry i have to interrupt you we're back we'll continue talking to hama just i am president mahmoud abbas's advisor discussing the middle east peace process and the road blocks it's facing stay with us. from.

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and we're back with mohamed this tell us president mahmoud abbas his advisor discussing the arab israel attentions welcome back to this so mr benyamin netanyahu is a hard line leader who is based. is to the right of center among the conservative more militant israelis do you think the ideology that his appeal rests on will let him actually give something up to palestinians i mean will his voters and ministers and army general friends allow him to do it you know they sure is not whether there will allow him or hope they show himself is not permitted to give anything he is not giving this is what i hate this is our thought of today that is ok by netanyahu

has been given the chance in two thousand and ten he had meetings with our president at the state department and the presence of secretary head of the couldn't and then he had meetings with our president there sharma shit and the presence of president obama come then he had a third meeting with our president at his house and with generals on him so all in all he had all the opportunity today to proceed and make progress with this he never did and i think that he has and i don't know just and his that reflection of the right wing for society that is breeding out of it right wing government and there is no bottom about it is latin for us with the presence of mr enough ennio so you think palestine should just wait for a change of leadership before any peace hopes can be realised. this is not only because we don't have to wait for somebody who is going to be deployed in south africa i think that the national community should book pressure on its lead to move we should look for a new clue biota to end its occupation there has to be

a serious and got a shot by shot of an order format that he will submit to the international will that this mission should end and it come up continue to do pressure is economic political and there are so many means in which that the national community has brought about a bad system in south africa on its knees and it was and did with international pressure that then you know should face the same thing talks between hamas and other palestinian factions bought no tangible results in bringing all sides consensus can any agreement be reached with this route well there's no unity in the palestinian ranks. well they show is not related to unity because the split among palestinians has been since two thousand and seven so what about. says the widget in which there was no space between ninety ninety three and two thousand and seven there was no there was no progress and so therefore i don't think that of

course the spirit does the heart of the palestinian cause and people who will come and live look you know but as you know as a divided with whom are we going to talk but the palestinian liberation organization to be a law is the sole legitimate that a prison that there will be the palestinian people whether and gaza in the west bank and bora everywhere and album as in our president he talks on behalf of the be a little with this that i adore the agreements has been signed with the p.l.o. so if there is that is already for peace we're out of the problem is that they find justification and excuses for really not and dig the occupation that has occurred and i want to go to court in ninety six or seven what i've asked has been tightening screws on gaza cutting salaries to former government workers in the street and slashing funds for electricity supply from israel to gaza that's on yahoo has been accused of us of choking gaza i understand that he's measures are aimed at pressuring hamas to disarm but i mean people support for the group is as

strong as ever this is me mahmoud abbas is measures are in a sacked is. well look it's very unfair to say that by the scene or thought of he is actually putting all of these sort of things that he has in fact is that it is who is putting a seizure it is like that has been since two thousand and seven until today that has been really closing off gaza for the un totally there is no movement to people if it is going to allow. the stadiums out of the gaza strip even to come to the west bank we welcome that if it is going to allow trade between the west bank and gaza we want them by the state doesn't get a lot of people off there are a set of the measures that have been taken and now these measures are to just sell it as it has gone from fifty votes on to seventy five got a son and now it's going to be a totally different story so that we should not really shift focus from who is it

putting doesn't that a siege it is that is that i live measures that has been there since two thousand and seven and all it does is see jd the palestinian author of it is not really settling does are putting out a siege because of the end of the day we know the conflict with house is political we will not put. measures that is going to cause harm to our people these are our people who elected bunch is not something that we do we of course we want the consolidation to happen because the split is not in our favor and do we the only way for us to end this is that is by dia log and by agreement unfortunately many agreements that has been signed it has not been yielding simply because of regional factors and regional players who didn't want to see this but have seen in unity happening including just like i say there hamas leader mahmoud out zahara has accused people links to sata trying to track gas into another war with israel by

firing rockets from the strip how can you respond to these accusations look i mean . how masses and full control of gaza. fatah has not offered in gaza how is it us want to before the security situation in gaza this is something which is that addicted us because when the bought a scene or thought he was in gaza there are these people there were firing you know rockets on is that i am saying that this is and then ever for assistance why is it now that if somebody else is throwing brokers it is why it becomes doing it do you know. how. to conflict this is really something that is not understandable and it is not the product the most important thing is not who's going to push goes away the people in gaza at our people we want this conflict going and we want this to end and therefore there is not only one way out of this misery over gaza which is the palestinian unity one or thought of the one one machine gun one goal and

that's the only way out if not then we go to elections we have said if our model form and of course ideation is not acceptable to hamas and if how much his model for that of course that action is not acceptable to us then let's go to the people let's that affair out of the whole issue of the people live there but as you know the people decide through an election and decide who is going to run the affairs of that but as the the people we are ready for that we had it before the elections and we are ready to go to morrow for elections the moment is that i lousy elections in jerusalem and allows us to have elections in the gaza strip so one does moves only makes things worse i mean the logical question here is how can. hope to gain any foothold in gaza i say it's willing to treat its residents this way and then according to december poll by the palestinian center for policy and survey research if snap elections were to be held hamas leader would have left president abbas way

behind. well look i mean. we know what obedience bombs are about it does show that fatah has in the lead it does show that although opinion as well is that i consult and see and so on i am on board of this organization that you are referring to and that of the day as i said they show is not about a billion dollars they sure as that if there is a when there is a way we want elections to take place we are all saw asking european capitals to put pressure on israel to allow us to have elections in jerusalem and i hope that they shall would have us will be settled that hamas will really come to ground and accept the idea of going to elections very soon so according to some reports flowing in after the u.s. led conference and or so under trunk so-called deal of the country of the century the gulf states would bear the brunt of the costs of gaza's restoration would you

welcome baron wellman them in what hamas welcomed them given how close it wants to become with iran now. well look i mean any assistance for gaza is welcomed by us as long as it goes through the legitimate leadership of the palestinian people the legitimate of the but is the no authority as long as it goes and through the over shall join us we welcome that because the end of the day as i said earlier these people are our people but if this assistance is going to be inclusive with political with. does for certain countries that's a totally different story then it becomes a manifestation of the split and other than here really that a consolidation you know i recent report by middle east media research institute says their relations between the two palestinian parties are now at the point quote where each side is saying that the other no longer represents the palestinian

people that's a direct quote how the palestinians feel about this in in your opinion and we did it did they see you represented by any of the parties at this table can the whole affair result in an intifada against hamas. well the distinct feeling for this assumption is the opening of bowlers is the. boxes saw and the step over claiming this and i think that we challenge how must accept the idea of elections we ought to be for it well to do good without and we will bring democracy back into action for there by the scene of one of the crowd you know which is very important to us today lee keep this sort of emotional thing embryonic democracy that we started with it's should not die down one second and voted on the issue is that these sort of claims clam on the counter claim it does how them ballast it doesn't really help how much as it doesn't tell about it but it

was said that you know this government is the judgment this government is nothing but the other end of the day that i felt a community will say to hell with both of them and we should avoid that and i think we should be a just once have been and say that this is that is how do we go out of people the way out is that a consultation is not to discredit each other on this issue but we know also that that is that the judgment leadership president abbas has been elected by the people there be a law which president abbas and also that is the sole legitimate to present the will of the but as the people which is that it could not is by all by this the indians which is there could not by all out of countries which is there going now is by that the national community and united nation so if that is us that then go thought of the there is a unity and there be a law all right thank you very much for this interview we're talking to mohammad to stay and nicer to present who would have asked discussing tensions between israel and palestine and ways to deceased and that is it for this edition of something

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