with make this manufacture consent to stick to the public will. when the ruling classes protect themselves. when the final merry go round lifts only the one percent. nor middle of the room sick. the real news is. joining me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see that. you know world of big partisan movies a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that

mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bad and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. following welcome to cross talk for all things are considered i'm peter lavelle syria when a pullout well doesn't mean a pullout also venezuela how is that regime change going and the boche story known as brags that and much much more on this edition of crossfire.

cross talking some real news i'm joined by the one and only dmitri baba chair in moscow he is a political analyst with sputnik international and in athens we cross to alex christopher oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com or a german crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it all right alex let me go to you and athens here we we have this pull out down from two thousand to two hundred now it's four hundred what is the narrative here what is the reasoning behind it and why should we believe it's going to happen at all because the narrative has changed so many times since december go ahead in athens. well we have moved from a from a withdrawal peter to an occupation and you know let's be clear this is becoming an occupation and of course they're using the pretext of you know protecting the kurds

and staying in syria for those reasons but what it really is is the neo cons once again it's surging themselves it trust foreign policy and i won't even say inserting that they are leading trumps foreign policy once again you always have the specter of john bolton and mike calm pale kind of sitting in the background as trump is announcing one of his major major campaign promises he campaigned on getting the u.s. out of all these military entanglements specifically syria in two thousand and thirteen trump said three four and i maybe even five tweets saying what is obama doing in syria if i was president i would get out he announced that he was going to withdraw from two thousand now we've got to two hundred troops are going to stay and we're going to go to four hundred and peter the question is are we going to go in three months time to a thousand troops how long are we going to stay in syria is it going to be ten years twenty years is this going to be like afghanistan are we looking at

a twenty year occupation of the country so no one really knows at which direction this is going but one thing's for sure the neo cons are running trumps foreign policy you know diem and one of the interesting things the kurds have brought up all of the time but logic would dictate in the entire history of the complicate would dictate that we need in damascus government and the kurds huddle together and hammer out some kind of agreement because during the course of this conflict the kurds and the damascus government have really had very few direct conflicts here so this is a ruse here in looks like to me and i unlike with alexander perceive or is that this is an occupation in search of a mission and it may have a lot more to do with pleasing the israelis and quote unquote keeping their eye on . the iranians and also what i think is very very important here is to be the ultimate spoiler in ending this conflict that never should have happened in the first place. you're right about almost all of your points i would say there with

the kurds the fantastic thing was that when the united states and now that they're put in i'll go over northeastern syria and everyone expected the turks. then suddenly the kurdish militia said no no we would prefer the syrian government to be in there and this was such a huge blow to the narrative for the western press because the narrative in the european union and the united states was that there was nothing that was then that our city government could say i'm going to be terrified you know all the people in syria terrified and then these people in the syrian forces to my among be but also i'm just putting myself in the position of someone who reads newspapers in washington and tries to make sense i would go what does that person read in the washington post. trump stags steps back room to the brink of disaster in syria that reminds everyone all of the soviet joerg standing on the brink of

a precipice but thank god we made a huge step forward to you know their latest news from the new york times is that actually they first increase the number of u.s. troops in all three thousand right and now i'm talking about hundreds of state hundreds twenty hundreds that means the whole contingent isn't it let me go let me go back to athens also this this move if it's i don't know how stable it is this decision actually gets aired a one off the hook to resolve the issues in libya so again this lack of clarity coming out of washington is a barrier to ending this conflict as we are in the penultimate moment and now it looks like we're back to square one and how this conflict is going to end. it's frustrating russia is frustrating iran it's frustrating maybe in a positive way for the turks here but maybe that's the whole point isn't it just to churn up this quagmire keep it going we know the trump administration said this

before the end of the last year or so it looks like this plan of churning and turning this quagmire is actually the rio underlining policy alex go ahead announcements yes i think you know we said it over and over and it's really about occupation and to me the most disheartening part of all of this peter is that these are really self-inflicted wounds that trump is putting onto himself the truck administration is putting themselves the conflict in syria can be resolved very very quickly if the u.s. would just pull out and they would allow the kurds to talk to the syrian government and that's the key word what dimitri said the syrian government the internationally recognized legitimate syrian government these are who the kurds need to be talking with it order to resolve this conflict once and for all but the fact you're keeping two hundred and now it's four hundred and in three months it'll be a thousand and six months it'll be five thousand the fact that this is happening is

just delaying the process of bringing peace to syria that's the bottom line and it's really also going to hurt trump in twenty twenty he needs to realize this his constituency his voters they don't know why the u.s. is in syria and they want out of syria this is hurting him in the end ok. this used to self-inflicted wound let's revisit the warsaw conference the anti iran and warsaw conference on which you gave a score card for our audience of winners losers was anything achieved go well it's just the m a's and you know there's one kind of. point if you press a trumpet that that this was a huge success for the diplomacy. northern border devolved of the two biggest polish to surface a rule that basically it's like madrid in one thousand nine hundred one well immediately a lot of people just laughed at it in poland you know because they noted the

difference in one thousand nine hundred people were talking about peace in the middle east and about military forces being kind of do you know creating a saves on there now we're talking about war war exactly and both evolved basically containing iran we knew them eric and more than language means war right we have basically their former new york mer new york city mad giuliani meeting meeting their representatives of this organization the end we jetted e n m e k which committed a terrorist act although you know during the quote for and saying it it was there is a run races of the of the messiah president for the left barack obama took them off the terrorists yes and you know these people whatever their purposes may be there wolf here but the methods that they use i tell you but you know there were people killed in iran and giuliani after meeting them says let me quote it everyone agrees

that iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the war that has to tell you something iran is a country you country while and do business with you can't trust it. ok so i think we are you and i and alex in our audience knows what country that is and it's not going to it's not there i'm going to go back to alex in athens here again a self-inflicted wound here because. the highest officials in the foreign policy and leader of the e.u. boycotted it they didn't want to have anything to do with it and also as we've said previously when benjamin netanyahu got on the plane on his own website page it was you know this is a paraphrasing a conclave for war against iran well i think by the time he landed on that in warsaw and they knew they had to change that to come flicked ok because arab leaders were there and they said well what we didn't we didn't sign up for that kind of language here i mean it looks like the administration is just completely

tone deaf and then this administration when it comes to iran even though it's a continuity of american foreign policy and its allies around the world are not in a lockstep and this is very frustrating for a pump a zero for pants and for bolton go ahead in athens yeah there's this meeting is a complete mystery why even when on i mean no one can really explain the purpose of this meeting in this conference at all low level diplomats were sent to this conference meanwhile you had tom pale and pence the two up to the highest officials from the u.s. government are sitting there with a low level diplomats from the e.u. and other arab nations from the beginning until the end this conference was a complete disaster you mentioned the tweet by netanyahu where he said this about war with iran they had to change that nearly an hour or two later this was sitting on his website and on twitter where he said the goal of this conference was for

a war with iran and then you had mike pence giving a speech to everybody there where he reiterated the fact that conflict needs to happen with the rod he said that iran is cannot be trusted he urged the european nations to get on board with the united states the whole thing. it was a disaster from beginning to end and i just scratch my head wondering why did they even put this conference together it was a p.r. a foreign policy disaster and it is peter well as we said a self-inflicted wound on truck the iran policy is a big blot on the trump it ministration he has started the iran policy for the minute he got into office till now has big one big blunder he needs to rethink this entire policy with iran you know alex before we let you go here i mean again it flies in the face of his campaign promises of not starting. even though i think technically iran isn't in the middle east but i mean in the greater middle east not to start new wars there and then we have in the second half of the program when

talk about venezuela it seems that a patrol of of that trust that he ran on twenty seconds to you go ahead alex. peter it's a betrayal of that trust and we need to just end this was one of trump's bade her made her campaign points he was not going to get the u.s. involved in any military intervention and he was actually going to pull the u.s. out of the middle east he needs to keep that promise otherwise in two thousand and twenty he is going to be in trouble he has to realize ok let me jump in here i know you'll be with us in the future to see if he does keep his promise or i want to think i'll it's risky for an out and for joining us we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real need state with our.

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interested in the war. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lawwell to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok now and we're joined in london by. he's the editor of politics first magazine marcus great to have you here let's talk first of all about the the real war and in terms of sanctions and most importantly right now the media war against venezuela came out coming out of the west primarily the united states as we before we start talking i'd like to point out to our viewers here the organization fairness and accuracy in reporting our fair has

a brilliant article titled. venezuela coverage takes us back to that golden age of lying about latin america and i know i sent you the link there i mean i think it's a brilliant article and it shows that the sham that's being portrayed about venezuela that is actually inciting not only sanctions and a media war against that but may ignite actually a military conflict go ahead marcus in london let me first of all set the same by saying historically state in the united states has long had the state in total disdain for latin america and washington has instigates its countless. latin america and that is what they are it's been since it's a day in a slave they are america has orchestrated its tension on the old screen venezuela and colombia as a way of given pretexts to watch and it's. take military action

against venezuela and as always western mainstream media are actually just a more precise cool program egypt in the united states and in the u.k. is pettily in those lies recently it's the united nations rapid sought for human rights right visit its venezuela and he traveled quite extensively course a close friend of venezuela he compiled a report and piece a clearly categorically they it is no she man it's harry and crisis in venezuela there is no food crisis in venezuela however has any major outlets in the united states or britain picked up on that note has the guardian newspaper run a front page interview with this man knows because what he said does not fit we've the narrative let me also at this as well it's up in the one nine hundred

eighty s. in the nine hundred ninety s. venezuela was ruled by numerous rightwing and governments and here in that time there were millions of venezuelans they've been in abject poverty untold numbers paid to die because of starvation and malnutrition ever since chavez kinds of power and then succeeded by to do hope millions of venezuelans in being moved up if pulled out that you don't hear about that on fox news or c.n.n. or sky news or channel four news because it doesn't fit then herit the narrative you know i mean i and i say to our audience here take a look at the r.t. website and grey zone max blumenthal has a brilliant brilliant video of him in a supermarket in caracas and i don't want to be a spoiler here but i mean it just confirms everything we've just heard from marcos here where are we in the us coup de mint because i've described the first part

this random guy guy. whatever whoever he is ok because he's not he's obviously a stalking horse for the u.s. in this so-called lima group which is obviously directed against his will and the current legitimate government there but it seems to me the first part of this is the shock and awe well it is a bit shocking but the element is the kind of receded here we've seen also vivid footage on the border of quote unquote humanitarian aid i wonder if that was only an abrams idea because he's done it before and he lied about it ok and he was given unfortunately a presidential pardon for his crimes that he committed in the one nine hundred eighty s. into the reagan administration we're are we now in the well first of all of the coverage i think there was a brilliant article on the fair or by mark you know he just decided to check the reports from the time magazine and from other media outlets in the united states that there is no us period you know people cannot get treated even for

a flu you know and he just went and bought it you know all of these over the counter medicines that are available right. march for the fairness of the media and the rights in his article you can you can see from these numerous stories in the u.s. media they're written by the people who have never been proven yes you know they just even use the same language you know jonathan steele a veteran correspondent for the guardian he just called many times drab was you. we heard of all that the rabble life in the soviet union drab conditions in that in this socialist soviet bloc countries so they just repeat the same narrative they don't have to go do it but all these countries are the same if they were considered men as enemy as for the strategy of the united states strangely my compare oh in in warsaw during that infamous conference that we have just described when he. iran

he described the strategy for winning so let me quote him things on the march was for the iranian people and we're convinced that will lead to the iranian people to rise up and change the behavior over the regime and of cold so this guy escapee he's glad the thing so was for the iranians to the thing so what he's saying show against iran and venezuela are not against the people of course or they are against the people let's go back to marcos here marcus he i think you made a point i don't think you can be stressed enough here is that. you know you know everyone knows me as a conservative person ok and conservative outlook here but there is no denying that under chavez millions and millions of people will purport pulled out of poverty and more than that more than that they were given political agency they democracy meant something to those people for the first time in their entire existence for generations in the entire history of the venezuelan state so it might pompei on

john bolton in elliot abrams think that people are going to revolt against the government that has given them so much while at the same time not denying some of the hardships that are there today go ahead in london. well look painter one mistakes made by hugo chavez and nicolas maduro of coop's mistakes were made by parts that you tell me into a president or prime minister doesn't make mistakes however the most important legacy from the time of hugo chavez is that venezuela was given back to the venezuelan people didn't see it was restored to venezuela venezuela's state industries and not sure what resources were given back to the venezuelan people and if he says it is that first and foremost that makes people in washington and london foam at the mouth including those wretched journalists journalists in

inverted commas who work for corporates major and other also have this piece of very very quickly it's not just the likes of trump the clintons are barbara bush all right and both and who should be in an international court trials for crimes against humanity it is the owners and edges of kookery major outlets who should also be joining them in the in the dark ok i want to stay with marcus here because you're turning into my sherpa for explaining the quagmire i mean is that a word a lot in this program these days call briggs it what's going on with briggs it and what you and i have disagreed on this topic over the years that's fine and that's good because debate and difference of opinions are good but tell me how this is working out or not working out in terms of a democracy deficit because i think for me and my conservative outlook i'm most concerned with this deficit here and i'm very that's one of my gripes with the the

e.u. in general go ahead my friend explain what's the last little latest stage of bragg's it. well i think we disagree when it comes to referendum we agree in that we don't lie. your opinion and i never liked your opinion but what i would say picks out the bricks it happened and the remaining time but if. things are too late and see russian both a claimant's that's a referendum or second referendum would be would constitute democracy democracy is not a referendum i don't want to see in votes people electing other people to represent them ask parliament that is democracy leader a on that people we agree on that we agree on that get away not what happened in what britain is spice the late the european union on the twenty ninth of march i sincerely hope it happens but we must immigrants and we must have this sense to.

negotiate to do it with the european union one that is approved by british business british industry and also foreign investors because peter if the u.k. lose its investors up the chinese the japanese and the indians we will be in serious trouble however personalities in the brics it can and that remain in terms ot dictates in advance they don't really care about the economy so much they can they all they care about is bashir in their own selfish ambitions clearly we have a chapter america wants to be laid off the labor policy we have jacob respond boyish johnson who believe they have a god given rights to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom and that ordinary people in britain the ordinary needs the pay the maids ordinary britons up and down the u.k. ought be in side like because these are all for personalities at westminster you're

not going to get an argument about the personality of here let me give the last few words to tim dmitri bobbitt here. ok there was two years they were given a two year period did then they go you think here one has to i will express my opinion and i think it will be the history will judge but it looks like to me this was an intentional strategy of not having having a. deal before the break that happened and so it's a form of scaremongering and it's succeeding here because there will be there are plenty of people who say they want another vote they want to extend the period of but withdraw if that's the case then then rest of may and her conservative backers won thirty seconds go to you know i think the story is that people are being punished for doing a protest vote in the united states people voted for truong because they wanted their land to the war in syria and to the war in ukraine and to their war in libya

and they have been shown now that this is not going to happen right the same story with people voted to get out of the european union and now the message is from the european union it's my way or highway it's us ok ok i'm going to jump in here i'm going to agree with mark and pump it up is because we talked about it so many times i'm not really sure if people really did know what they were voting for and i think that's the problem here and there's no magic one single no single majority in parliament how to move forward we'll be talking about this more many thanks to my guests in moscow and in athens and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. see you next time and remember. i thought it could be is that i will accept the idea of course this will be your show

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