another round of clashes takes place at the very columbia border between opposition supporters and police no victims are reported as of yet. the group of countries has sent a request to the international criminal court to look at the humanitarian situation in venezuela as the us vice president pledges fifty six million dollars to support the opposition. iran's foreign minister. announces his resignation he made the statement on social media monday for the resignation remains unclear so far. to meet with

north korean leader kim jong un in vietnam. coming up ahead next hour with heaven coming up on our international cross-talk u.s. policy in syria and venezuela but in the u.k. and ireland it is running. stay with us. hello and welcome to all things considered. syria when a pullout well doesn't mean a pull out also venezuela how is that regime change going and the boche story. and. much much more on this edition of cross.

cross talking some real news i'm joined by the one and only dimitri bob a chair in moscow he's a political analyst with sputnik international and in athens we cross to alex cruciform he is the director and writer for the duran dot com or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it all right alex let me go to you and athens here we we have this pull out down from two thousand to two hundred now it's four hundred what is the narrative here what is the reasoning behind it and why should we believe it's going to happen at all because the narrative has changed so many times since december go ahead in athens where we moved from a from a withdrawal peter to an occupation and you know let's be clear this is becoming an occupation and of course they're using the pretext of you know protecting the kurds

and staying in syria for those reasons but what it really is is the neo cons once again it's surging themselves it trust foreign policy and i won't even say inserting that they are leading trumps foreign policy once again you always have the specter of john bolton and my cocktail kind of sitting in the background as trump is announcing one of his major major campaign promises he campaigned on getting the u.s. out of all these military entanglements specifically syria in two thousand and thirteen trump said three four and i maybe have five tweets saying what is obama doing in syria if i was president i would get out he announced that he was going to withdraw from two thousand now we've got to two hundred troops are going to stay and we're going to go to four hundred and peter the question is are we going to go in three months time to a thousand troops how long are we going to stay in syria is it going to be. ten

years twenty years is this going to be like afghanistan are we looking at a twenty year occupation of the country so no one really knows at which direction this is going but one thing's for sure the neo cons are running trumps foreign policy you know diem and one of the interesting things the kurds have brought up all of the time but logic would dictate in the entire history of the calm flicked would dictate that the damascus government and the kurds huddle together and hammer out some kind of agreement because during the course of this conflict the kurds and the damascus government have really had very few direct conflicts here so this is a ruse here it looks like to me and i like with alexander perceive or is that this is an occupation in search of a mission and it may have a lot more to do with pleasing the israelis and quote unquote keeping their eye on the iranians and also what i think is very very important here is to be the ultimate spoiler in ending this conflict that never should have happened in the

first place so if you're right or most of your points i would say that with the kurds the fantastic thing was that when the united states and now that they're put in i'll go over northeastern syria and everyone expected the turks. then suddenly the kurdish militia said no no we would prefer the syrian government to be in there and this was such a huge blow to the narrative for the western press because the narrative in the european union and the united states was that there was nothing that was then that also the government could say i'm going to be terrified you know all the people in syria terrified and then these people in this syrian forces tomorrow monday but also i'm just putting myself in the position of someone who reads newspapers in washington and tries to make sound so adult what does that person read in the washington post. tromp stags steps back from the brink of disaster in syria that dream. i mean all of the soviet joke we're going to standing on the

brink of a precipice but thank god we made a huge step forward to you know their latest news from the new york times is that actually they first increases the number of u.s. troops in all tasty to three thousand right and now and trumpets talking about hundreds of state conference twenty conference that means the whole contained in which it isn't it let me go let me go back to athens also this this move and if it's i don't know how stable it is this decision actually gets aired on off the hook to resolve the issues in in so again this lack of clarity coming out of washington is a barrier to ending this conflict as we are in the penultimate moment and now it looks like we're back to square one and how this conflict is going to end it's frustrating russia it's frustrating iran it's frustrating maybe in a positive way for the turks here but maybe that's the whole point isn't it just to

churn up this quagmire keep it going we know the trump administration said this before the end of the last year or so it looks like this plan of churning and turning this quagmire is actually the real underlining policy alex go ahead announcements yes i think you know we said it over and over and it's really about occupation and to me the most disheartening part of all of this peter is that these are really self-inflicted wounds that trump is putting on to himself the truck administration is putting themselves the conflict in syria can be resolved very very quickly if the u.s. would just pull out and they would allow the kurts to talk to the syrian government and that's the key word what dimitri said the syrian government the internationally recognized legitimate syrian government these are who the kurds need to be talking with order to resolve this conflict once and for all but the fact that you're keeping two hundred and now it's four hundred. and in three months it'll be

a thousand and six months it'll be five thousand the fact that this is happening is just delaying the process of bringing peace to syria that's the bottom line and it's really also going to hurt in twenty twenty he needs to realize this his constituency his voters they don't know why the u.s. is in syria and they want out of syria this is hurting him in the end. this used to self-inflicted wound let's revisit the warsaw conference the anti iran and warsaw conference on which you give a score card for our audience of winners losers was anything achieved go well is just amazing you know these are going to. polish brass trumpet that this was a huge success for their borders diplomacy and all of their jets but supported of all of the two biggest polish newspapers ruled that basically it's like madrid in one thousand nine hundred one well immediately

a lot of people just laughed at it in poland you know because they noted the difference in one thousand and one people were talking about peace in the middle east and about military forces being kind of do you know creating a save his own that now we're talking about war war exactly it would basically contain a new iran which in them eric and more than language means war right we have basically there for my new york mer new york city mad giuliani meeting meeting their representatives of this organization. and me k. which committed a terrorist act although you know during the quote for and saying it it was there is no run races of the of the messiah president for the left barack obama took them off the terrorists yes and you know these people whatever their purposes maybe their welfare but the methods that they use are. thank you but you know there were

people killed in the wrong and giuliani off to meeting them says let me quote it everyone agrees that iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the walt that has to tell you something iran is a country you country awhile and do business with you can't cross to it. so i think we are you and i and in our audience knows what country that is and it's not going to it's not there i'm going to go back there in athens here again a self-inflicted wound here because. the highest officials in the foreign policy and leader of the e.u. boycotted it they didn't want to have anything to do with it and also as we've said previously when benjamin netanyahu got on the plane on his own website page it was you know this is a paraphrasing in a conclave for war against iran well i think by the time he landed on that in warsaw and they knew they had to change that conflict ok because arab leaders were there and they said well what we didn't we didn't sign up for that kind of language

here i mean it looks like the administration is just completely tone deaf and then this administration when it comes to iran even though it's a continuity of american foreign policy it's its allies around the world that are not in a lock step and this is very frustrating for pompei o for pants and for bolton go ahead in athens yeah there's this meeting is a complete mystery why even it went on i mean no one can really explain the purpose of this meeting in this conference at all low level diplomats were sent to this conference meanwhile you had tom pale and pence the two of the highest officials from the u.s. government are sitting there with the low level diplomats from the e.u. and other arab nations from the beginning until the end this conference was a complete disaster you mentioned the tweet by netanyahu where he said this about war with iran they had to change that nearly an hour or two later this was sitting on his website and on. later where he said the goal of this conference was for

a war with iran and then you had mike pence giving a speech to everybody there where he reiterated the fact that conflict needs to happen with the rod he said that iran is cannot be trusted he urged the european nations to get on board with the united states the whole thing was a disaster from beginning to end and i just scratch my head wondering why did they even put this conference together it was a p.r. a foreign policy disaster and it is peter what as we said a self-inflicted wound on trump the iran policy is a big blot on the trump administration he has started the iran policy for the minute he got into office till now has been one big blunder he needs to rethink this entire policy with iran you know alex before we let you go here i mean again it flies in the face of his campaign promises of not starting. even though i think technically iran isn't in the middle east but i mean in the greater middle east not

to start new wars there and then we have in the second half of the program when talk about venezuela it seems that a patrol of that trust that he ran on the twenty seconds to you go ahead alex. it's a betrayal of that trust and we need to just end this was one of trump's major major campaign points he was not going to get the u.s. involved in any military intervention and he was actually going to pull the u.s. out of the middle east he needs to keep that promise otherwise in two thousand and twenty he is going to be in trouble he has to realize ok let me jump in here i know you'll be with us in the future to see if he does keep his promise or i want to think i'll it's risky for an out and for joining us we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with our.

we came here where did you work before you came here where did you live well. i'm in many u.s. states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us some even proven innocent years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about it. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you then. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected

. so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to the press this is like a tree in the morning can't be good. i'm interested in the waters in the house. welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing some real news. ok now and we're joined in london. he's the editor of politics first magazine marcus great to have you here let's talk first of all about the the real war and in terms of say. actions and most importantly right now the media war

against venezuela came out coming out of the west primarily the united states as we before we start talking and i could point out to our viewers here the organization fairness and accuracy in reporting our fair has a brilliant article titled. venezuela coverage takes us back to the golden age of lying about latin america and i know i sent you the link there i mean i think it's a brilliant article and it shows that the sham that's being portrayed about venezuela that is actually inciting not only sanctions and a media war against that but may ignite actually a military conflict go ahead marcus in london let me first of all set the same by saying historically speight in the united states has long had this state in total disdain for latin america and washington has instigates its countless coups in

latin america and that is what they are it's henson's it's so it's a day in venice later they are america has orchestrated the tension on the border between venezuela and colombia as a way of give in and create sex to washington to take military action against venezuela and as always western mainstream media are actually just a more precise cool procedure in the united states and in the u.k. is handling those lawyers recently and the united nations ruffled sort of human rights right visits venezuela and he traveled quite extensively course across friends and explain that he compiled a report and piece a clearly categorically there is no she man it's harry and crisis in venezuela there is no food crisis in venezuela however has any major outlets in the.

next states or britain picks up on that note has the guardian newspaper run a front page interview with this man knows because what he said it's does not fit it's we've the narrative let me i'm sorry that this is what it's up to in the one nine hundred eighty s. and the nine hundred ninety s. venezuela was ruled by numerous. times and clear and there were millions of them israel and they've been in abject poverty untold numbers of dollars because of starvation a man nutrition ever since chavez kinds of power and then succeeded by to reduce millions of venezuelans in being moved up if pulled up so you don't hear about that on stocks news c.n.n. or scotland usal channel four news because it doesn't fit then eric the now it's you know i mean i and i say to our audience here take a look at the r.t. website and gray zone max blumenthal has a brilliant brilliant video of him in a supermarket in caracas and i don't want to be

a spoiler here but i mean it just confirms everything we've just heard from marcos here where are we in the us who because i've described the first part this random guy i don't know whatever whoever he is ok because he's not he's obviously a stalking horse for the u.s. in the so-called lima group which is obviously directed against venezuela and the current legitimate government there but it seems to me the first part of this is the shock and awe well it is a bit shocking but there are element is a kind of receded here we've seen also vivid footage on the border of these quote unquote humanitarian aid i wonder if that was elliot abrams idea because he's done it before and he lied about it ok and he was given unfortunately a presidential pardon for his crimes that he committed in the one nine hundred eighty s. under the reagan administration we're are we now in the scope well first of all. at

the coverage i think there was a brilliant article on fair dot org by mark who could you know he just decided to check the reports from the time magazine and from other media outlets in the united states that there is no spirit union fellow that you know people cannot get treated even for a for a flu you know and he just went and bought it you know all of these over the counter medicines were available right social march for the fairness of the media and as mark rightly writes in his article you can you can see from these numerous stories in the u.s. media they're written by the people who have never been proven yes you know they just even use the same language you know drones and steal a veteran correspondent for the guardian he just counter cold many times that drab was used to having a silent we heard of all the drab life in the soviet union of all drab conditions in that in the socialist soviet bloc countries so they just repeat the same

narrative they don't have to go do it all these countries are the same if they're considered men as enemy as for the strategy of the united states strangely my compare all in in warsaw during that infamous conference that we have just described when he was stalking about iran he described the strategy for winning so let me quote him things on the march was for the iranian people and we're convinced that will lead to the iranian people to rise up and change the behavior over the regime and of cold so this guy is k.p. he's glad the thing so was for the iranians to think so but what he's saying show against iran in venezuela or not against the people of course here against the people let me go back to marcus here marcus he i thought you made a point i don't think you can be stressed enough here is that. you know you know everyone knows me as a conservative person ok and conservative outlook here but there is no denying that under chavez millions in need. people will purport pulled out of poverty and more

than that more than that they were given political agency they democracy meant something to those people for the first time in their entire existence for generations in the entire history of the venezuelan state so my palm pale and john bolton in elliot abrams think that people are going to revolt against the government that has given them so much while at the same time not denying some of the hardships that are there today go ahead in london. well look painter one mistakes made by hugo chavez and nicolas maduro of coop's mistakes were made by parts that you tell me into a president or prime minister doesn't make mistakes however the most important legacy from the time of hugo chavez is that venezuela was given back to the venezuelan people didn't see it was restored to venezuela venezuela's

state industries and not sure what resources were given back to the venezuelan people and if he says it is that first and foremost that makes people in washington and london foam at the mouth including those wretched journalists journalists in inverted commas who work for corporates major and other also have this piece of very very quickly it's not just the likes of trump the clintons of barbara bush all right and both and who should be in an international court trials for crimes against humanity it is the owners and edges of kookery major outlets who should also be joining them in the in the dark ok i want to stay with marcus here because you're turning into my sherpa for explaining the quagmire i mean is that a word a lot in this program these days call briggs it what's going on with briggs it and what you and i have disagreed on this topic over the years that's fine and that's

good because debate and difference of opinions are good but tell me how this is working out or not working out in terms of a democracy deficit because i think for me and my conservative outlook i'm most concerned with this deficit here and i'm very that's one of my gripes with the the e.u. in general go ahead my friend explain what's the last little latest stage of bragg's it. well i think we disagree when it comes to referendum we agree that we don't like the european union and i've never liked the european union but what i would say pick up the bricks it happened and the remaining time but if. instead think of italy and see russian both a claimant's that's a referendum or second referendum would be would constitute democracy democracy is not a referendum i don't want to see in votes people electing other people to represent them ask parliament that is democracy

a great on that people we agree on that we agree on that get away not what happened in what britain is spice the late the european union on the twenty ninth of march i sincerely hope it happens but we must immigrants and we must have this sense to. negotiate it do it with the european union clear one that is approved by british business british industry and also foreign investors because peter if the u.k. lose its investors up the chinese the japanese and the indians we will be in serious trouble however personalities in the brics it can and it remain a chance ot dictate in advance they don't really care about the economy so much they can they all they care about is bashir in their own selfish ambition is going to be happy i checked or america wants to be laid off the labor policy we have jacob respond boyish johnson who believe they have

a god given rights to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom and that ordinary people in britain the ordinary needs the pay the maids ordinary britons up and down the u.k. ought be in side like because of these awful personalities at westminster you're not going to get an argument about the personalities here let me give the last few words to tim dmitri bobbitt here. ok there was two years they were given a two year period did then they go here one has to i will express my opinion. and i think it will be the history will judge but it looks like to me this was an intentional strategy of not having having a. deal before the break that happened and so it's a form of scaremongering and it's succeeding here because there will be there are plenty of people who say they want another vote they want to extend the period of withdrawal if that's what the case then then the rest of may and her conservative

backers one thirty seconds go to you know i think the story is that people are being punished for doing a protest vote in the united states people voted for truong because they wanted their land to the war in syria and to the war in ukraine and to their war in libya and they have been shown now that this is not going to happen right the same story with people voted to get out of the european union and now the message is from the european union it's my way or highway it's us ok ok i'm going to jump in here i'm going to agree with marcus to pump it up is because we talked about it so many times i'm not really sure if people really did know what they were voting for and i think that's the problem here and there's no magic one single no single majority in parliament how to move forward will be talking about this more many thanks to my guests in moscow and in athens and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. see you next time and remember rules. after

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