my. i. welcome to the alex salmond shu today we take a well to celebrate from brix it to visit the sun kissed the beaches of the indian ocean that is one problem with this island paradise the people have been replaced by an air force base for that has been the fate of the ship was eons her majesty's subjects cleared from the holy land half a century ago to make way for american service personnel over two programs we consider high this bitter legacy of colonialism still impacts tittie in this show

we look at the human cost of a people cleared from the islands in the second part we examine the political and legal implications for the united kingdom standing condemned last month before the international court of justice and now you are facing a full united nations debate on the issue but first alex with your tweets your messages and e-mails before stop as i said and who makes a very interesting point she says happy true then to watch the sudden thirty m. and all we got was trump trump trump no mention of what happened to the ali so i'm unsure why as am i did actually not a suspicion knowing my relationship with the president of the united states that perhaps he'd broken off his talks with chairman kim to knock off the first broadcast edition of our show well knowing donald anything's possible. dr carr's says fantastic sure to make my son is half german from the east i believe scotland

a germany of extremely strong ties i consider germany and my second home and seven anthea says very good short tonight alec as always should guess an interesting and informative keep up the good work well we intend to anthea and length illness and says best show yet elmar brok cured my heart and james most must soar right in all he said scottish independence gets nearer the closer we get to blacks it a minute white says i've always thought that pleases me was a closet black city year who played both sides to get into the top job and jump airplay concludes by saying hi ek hopefully you can run ashore from here in arbroath next april to celebrate the declaration of scottish independence seven hundred years on and signs off sauce which the scots gallic for freedom. no country likes to be reminded of its marquee past but this is exactly what has happened to the u.k. standing in the dock of the international court of justice over the last few years

culminating in a hostile judgment last month at the heart of the case britain as a colonial power stood condemned of a sustained track record of shame and injustice towards the families of two thousand people dispossessed from the indian ocean home in the one nine hundred sixty s. and seventy's it's a shame that looms large in the history of the shakers islands an archipelago whose tiny size and vast distance from everywhere amplifies the degree of injustice suffered by its people these people were cleared from the islands by mixture of blackmail on building and by the thought of who had their fate and trusted to their care they are injustices dating back to the british acquired the islands from france as part of the larger colony of malicious and for slaves to mozambique and madagascar to work on colonial coconut plantations they are injustices which continued to the city with third generations to go since who have made the home of the united kingdom and i was threatened with deportation as part of the continuing

hostile environment approach in this show we get an insight into how this sad story has affected families and how last month's international court decision has raised hopes that one to the should go since might yet return to their ancestral home. alex speaks first to s. about shiloh of the circus islanders movement is a bow welcome to the alexander show thank you for the screen a strong community of goes here in the u.k. mostly gather groan crawley beer got we're poor people came originally how many people in that community and a whole that come about at the moment we are around the freetown thousand or more in the u.k. but why fall a why gatwick airport it's because the first group that came they came to get week airport they landed there and for couple of days then they were

introduced to the council of crawley and it was them who had the duty to look for accommodation for them as we are family orientated in the community when others come we would just say ok you can come to my house come instead over so this is how it happened because we just wanted to keep that bond family bond that's very interesting like many immigrant communities once it was a bridge had established people grouped together because it was people that knew their friends people from the same background. who represent the the chiggers i will move them to me one of the aims of your organization our aims is for the government both sides morris's british government and the usa to recognise worth and to give us back our island. your second generation should. you've never been to the island you were born there i've had the

pleasure of meeting your father louis who was born in the shade of silence but is it really the case that people like yourself still regard these atolls in the middle of the indian ocean as you. raymond's of course definitely yes it's my heritage my dad left this form this is our culture our history is made of this island we we just need to know our identity my identity and as many other shy person we believe that it's been stolen away from us the british government's argument all these years ago in the one nine hundred sixty s. was the people they cleared and what we know in scotland from the highland clearances incidentally but they cleared from the iowans they were only workers had only been there perhaps a few centuries but they weren't native to the islands is there nothing in british art which they say you're better off and malicious it's

a big lie because the british government never looked back after they just dump us and. we as a people as a community we have a voice for ourself we just want to fight for this interest is that they did to our farm in a game that the british argument is that. they gave bullishness money it to look after the she goes in swimming they went to militias back in the late sixty's early seventy's the community see any of these funds the community never receive any food benefit of the money the british government should have looked after us to find out how was the money spent how we were doing in morrish us but we were neglected just a bond done and been forgotten by british government militias did whether they wanted with us but some of the the she goes heels came to work to get we can as you've explained a stylish the community but even though it's not home and it doesn't have anything

like the many many attractions of these beautiful islands i'm in the ocean and the advantages of the community being in crawley have been access to health services opportunities. creational opportunities are in the advantages of the three thousand strong community bigger in this country as opposed to an island to the middle of the indian ocean home is home. and we are missing that we just came here for power post our fight started in maurice's and we want to end it here in the u.k. we say is this opportunity when they gave us a british passport we used this to come here so that the world can know our struggle and we are still campaigning to raise awareness of our community we had to go and sleep outside in london last year for people to know about us we are very

poor we are very small but we are ready to go to any level to show the world that we are determined to go back home but as the foreign office organized trips every year we organize trips back to the island is not something that should satisfy the ship goes into the get to go on a visit back to the island how can you be a visitor on your own island natives a just want to go to pay a tribute for the last time mainly when they come back they became more distraught some people they are happy and that give them the more determination to claim the island back although when they come back the they struggle to cope because others are enjoying our land our city free houses whereas here in britain we have to pay for bus to be very emotional. your father went on a trip and he was just a small child with elaph the eyelids it must be

a question emotional thing to go back a man to leave again almost as if you're being ready state of the island again yes i understand what my dad is saying i understand his sorrow because when he was little his mum took him to get. treatment to morris and then they were not able to go back home so for him to be able to go back after so many years is that what gave me more strength to go back there because i want to have a sense of belonging because right now i don't understand myself i don't have an identity of my own i want i want my kids to have their own culture to be able to be free and freedom is where you are happy happy this will be home beautiful expressed as above this is a long struggle for the shoes in people you've had champions in parliament i think of tom d.l. germy called them have been people who over the years of championship cause are you

hopeful that perhaps this latest decision will provoke more members of parliament both the new u.k. and they'll spear to rally to the should goes in stand up yes yeah because our community is a community of faith and we've always believed in justice we firmly believe that justice will be done now the court case just in the last few weeks where the british government has been filed against in the united nations and the international court of justice now i know of course that you're looking to have your own islands not governed by militias or britain but does that give your heart that the international community are saying loop something very bad happened back in the sixty's and this time it was put right i believe that the court of justice did not look into the shadows in a struggle very well it was more focused about the and prior that is british

empire that's a very good point because international court of justice ruling tended to do well quite rightly above the standard for the britain had done wrong as part of the colonization yes as opposed to what the indigenous to its. of the people might be to self-determination however on balance would you say that quote really against britain was a step forward yes it is a step forward to go. and for that to happen we need to make the great britain to realise that they need to hold the rule of the will because they might as well ignore it and we do not want that we want other nations to back us back they should go and as. we need to go home i can't gun to your thought and i am a cost of violence although i've got no doubt that you'll win out in the end but what i can do is present you with the delegates i will quit for appearing on the

show so that you must have something very similar to the version of the she goes here this. scotch whiskey. in the cup and the past many i win friends thank you thank you it's about that coming up after the break we hear more of the she goes ian stories i'm look at some of the parliamentary champions i one does of had over the ages join us and. my son was doing drugs my nephews were still in drugs my sister just with doing

drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse. users in the prison population so more we started treating sick people people who. we're deep into these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill i increasingly became convinced that the war on drugs was a mistake there are countless numbers of people who are in prison for inconceivably sentences for minor minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say bye daddy as you're walking out of a business it's just it doesn't get easier. welcome back and this episode we've been looking at the personal stories of the ship goes in community many of whom have been living in an effective enclave and the times i got

put for the past half century alex takes up the story of a chic us islander louis bactrim falls. leigh welcome to the alex salmond sure i sound like you're a second generation. passing from the shade assailants who came your father your family came to make the life in the u.k. in two thousand and sixteen the united kingdom government said to be forty two million pounds made available to help develop the life style should goes into the u.k. what's happened to that forty two million likes from money doesn't exist the prime minister keep on repeating it was a time but it doesn't exist we haven't seen one of those be your second generation so you have a british passport you have the way to the main but third generation should go see it ns the have no such automatic right and many people are facing deportation almost of the vast deportation having been deported and cleared with chiggers salen no they're facing being deported back to militias how do you feel about that in

a way we are trapped. and nobody's listening hopefully now off there's a court ruling you're knighted ruling how did you feel about the international court of justice in the hague ruling against britain the disc give you encouragement when that came out a few weeks ago i don't expect tomorrow terrorism is going to come out and say oh there you go till don't go to go back you know it's ok you know is it was everything is ok now sorry for what we've done i'm not expecting it i thought i expected of about zero to stop and can that sadness of belonging only be satisfied that the community returns to you leyland people of course but sense of belonging is not here at all it has no sense of belonging it's like we are in a way we've been in for fifty years we've been in a waiting room for fifty years we've been waiting who've been waiting for our oh can you wait this is a prison so this is a life sentence this is a life long wait. wish you all the best and hope you know which. of course

but. what i can do is present you with the quick thank you very much quicker scott was going for a loving cup thank you very much thank you so much for thank you very much over the years the islanders have not lacked parliament champions one of the first was the datable tam deal forty three years an m.p. and someone who long proclaimed in justice delivered to her majesty's subjects then there was a younger jeremy carbon kalid long in the back benches supporting international causes and then there was a firebrand who spoke up in favor of the islanders more recently the local m.p.'s and an all party group have taken up the cudgels however the government has been largely are moved ruling out their turn of the ship coarsens in twenty sixteen shucking off last month's i.c.j. ruling as non-binding. alex fixed a poll more than former m.p.

and vice chair of the shake us islands group. problem you know a former vice chair of the all party parliamentary group in the the chiggers islands one thing interests me that i've never met a parliamentarian who wasn't sympathetic to the plight of the island us why is that they had that they are able to combine to force the u.k. government into addressing its responsibilities to be an you're sure can thank you for the invitation to answer your question i think i have made some parliament t.d.'s who are not sympathetic to the cheek or same direction and my expedients they were both members of the u.k. government mr and mr duncan there's been numerous debates in parliament across the years about the rights the human rights of the chico salinger's what is it that's standing in there we'll be able to return to their homeland that island and their historic we have life as an indigenous community and what is standing in their way has been success if you could governments both of conservative and labor

persuasions and there's no real good reason why the chico sale can't return to their homeland but over the years there's been some dough to pull parliamentary champions so in yourself for example i think of jeremy corben tom de l who was probably the first parliamentarian to to raise this issue in the house of commons so they have a lot for a parliamentary voice but somehow though successive governments have been able to deflect the campaigns do you see a change coming with this international court of justice ruling i think then the national community now is really looking at the u.k. thinking here's a country that has been exposed for a whole c.d.'s of field years across our huge expanse of time and i think the patient really is building up and eventually the u.k. government is going to have to do something differently but come help draw the contrast between the u.k.'s attitude to take asylum as the denver sea and the other islands on the one hand and the attitude to the folk lindale and those on the air.

the they put a war was fought to preserve the right of the folk in the islands to have the government of but then they wish to check the sky that those were evacuated to vic to clear up from the islands how do you explain that contrast between the islanders in the indian ocean and the islanders in the south atlantic what i think is different heat is that the chico silence themselves that archipelago of the chico sightlines forms war is a unique strategic be for military purposes lots of stuff and that's what's going against the chico sale winters and of course we know the history here shows that the u.k. government affectively sold out the chico sounders stole their lawn stole their wealth stole their lives really all photo told to the deal over plot its nuclear missiles where they saved eleven hundred eleven million pounds which is about two

hundred million pounds in today's money it's about military strategy and it's about military objectives and it's about the uki effectively providing a piece for the us military in the indian ocean that's what it's about but the international court of justice in the hague and the united kingdom are represented by the government's attorney general no less do you think he was squatting on them bought a cement when the documents were extracted from the government who showed and demonstrated that civil servants not in the last century of a century before two hundred years ago but still in living memory were describing islanders us manfredi these was he setting squirming in the baddest man as this started to be extracted of how these island does what the guard did within living memory well i think he certainly should have been squirming with them bothersome and in the. documents that would expose that and also of course the justice sure distinct fate of discrimination probably even research them. going through the

policies of the u.k. government towards these people you know these are these are the chicle seems that applied and humble people you know they left on that islands for well over two hundred years they had a distinct society as a stink community and if any successful one the u.k. government went in and destroyed all of our in living memory so here we are in front of us. and it could really just abuse of people's human rights that the u.k. government is didn't absolutely nothing to make to fight joining us from and with less than everybody in that part of the world would know what it means to talk about people being cleared from the land did you think in this day and age would see another clearances and this cancer of a defenseless people in the and the indian ocean and how damaging will it be to the united kingdom's what old white reputation when this case is taken to the floor of

the united nations where you're quite right i mean the the similarities between the clearances and the highlands where you know the economy of the highlands was destroyed and people would affected author londe and they were forced to a mickey all across the world that's very very important that we recognise that we push for restitution and we make sure that you go sian's have got eight to rebuild their life people their whole life and unfree people to communities that you know bring something different to the world just as happened in the highlands so many years ago but again you know i don't have cites you know this isn't hundreds of years ago it's not centuries ago this is a human rights abuse that's taken place to d. in irish society the palmetto you've met the signals the ins and the u.k. having many people watching this program we've surprised if i know this but we're three thousand people living roncalli me have got work ample what so the jobs the to these full do how will they settle the united kingdom and what about the social

thought generation she goes ian's big. denied the right to stay the u.k. government denying third generation chicle since that i had to stay in the u.k. is just absolutely bizarre we need to remember this is a people that have been forcibly to moved from the it outlines taken to the u.k. by the u.k. government typically the. quite humble job quite practical job so they have no listen to what we might consider to be the professional ranks they have not. done particularly well through education and also these are gentle lies ations obviously alek i think the judgment of the international court of justice shines a light on all of thought and particularly shines a light on the fact that these people these important people have got an absolute right to turn to that island to develop the club me that they once had and to live the life that they once had their suited to their culture their personalities. and

they had aspirations and that's really what we should be trying to force the u.k. government to implement to do the right thing and to let these people go home what about that forty two million pounds that the government promised in two thousand and sixteen would be available for the development of to goes in community in society what's happened to that money well nothing i've told is happening to the media i'd say again that you know that forty two million is a drop in the ocean compared with the discussions that the u.k. government of a sieved against nuclear weapons in the past the u.k. government seems to think that it has a right to. nor the trickle sian's make idle promises to them and then abandon them at the top of it so the forty two million. did that when dalek it's never going to be delivered and i really don't think the u.k. government has got any intention of compensating adequately that you call sins for their loss of life that you call sins don't want compensation i don't believe i

think what they want as a fear settlement that will allow they aim to go back to that island to have access to what is the years. from under mass thank you for joining us on the show thank you alec. the home office in recent statements of show no sign of making any concessions to the she goes eons under current british nationality law citizenship is normally only passed on to one generation born abroad this means that grandchildren of research or she goes ins to not have a claim to british citizenship because applications are assessed on their individual merits meanwhile the form called office provides us with the following the sponsor to the international court of justice through lng this is an advisory opinion not a judgement of course who will look at the detail of it carefully the defense to sell it is in the british indian ocean territory help to protect people he didn't britain and around the world from terrorist threats organized crime and piracy well not much of a change of heart there then there's

a campaign running for the last few years called britain is great of which the government is very proud vast sums of public money are expended in telling the world what a strong powerful country britain is no longer a colonial power but still very much a force to be reckoned with it is rather an inconvenient truth therefore for the international court of justice with every international judges setting with the only exception of the american to serve up a searing indictment of colonial behavior and behavior not rooted in the days of convert to policy but within living memory where native islanders were dismissed as man friday's in official documents the government has italy dismissed the i.c.c. is really against britain as non-binding and that is cheap in the sense that no one is going to send a gunboat up the thames and chain is firepower in the house of commons but moral force is judged on the force of argument not on the argument of force but to night

stands condemned not just as a country with a clue in your past but one unwilling to make proper reparations in the present and stands condemned already before the world court and shortly in all likelihood before the united nations itself. tonight the third generation of people cleared from the islands of papa home in the u.k. is measurable petty i mean minded an attitude entrenched as if the winter scandal had never happened and thus the bitter legacy of colonialism continues to this day and reality countries are not judged by the number of warheads and submarines by the hard part of fleet carriers by the billions of armed seals but by the excellence of education the compassion of social services their usefulness to the white international community and above all the treatment to which the state meets out to the week on bungle on that test that she was in story patrice britain how

does a great country but a very small one indeed. from alex me and all of the team here that the show is good bye for now i will see you next. backstabbers i never saw a lot of old dad. looking forward to that little. young that's what happens to pensions in britain delegates. watch guys report.

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