i did actually not a suspicion knowing my relationship with the president of the united states that perhaps he'd broken off his talks with chairman kim to knock off the first broadcast edition of osho. donald anythings possible daughter cause says fantastic sure to make my son is half german from the east i believe scotland a germany of extremely strong ties i consider germany and my second home and seven anthea's says very good short tonight alec as always should guess an interesting and informative keep up the good work well we intend to anthea and lymph illness and says best show yet elmar brok cured my heart and james last massage right and all the scottish independence gets nearer the closer we get to blacks it a million white says i've always thought that these are me was a closet black city year who played both sides to get into the top job and jump eric includes by saying hi ek hopefully you can run ashore from here in arbroath

next april to celebrate the declaration of scottish independence seven hundred years on and sales of sauce which the scots gallic for freedom no country likes to be reminded of its market past but this is exactly what has happened to the u.k. standing in the dark of the international court of justice over the last few years culminating in a hostile judgment last month. at the heart of the case britain as a colonial power condemned of a sustained track record of shame and justice towards the families of two thousand people dispossessed from the indian ocean home in the one nine hundred sixty s. and seventy's it's a shame that looms large in the history of the shakers islands an archipelago whose tiny size and vast distance from everywhere amplifies the degree of injustice suffered by its people these people were cleared from the islands by mixture of blackmail on building and by authorities who had their feet and trusted to their care they are injustices dating back to the british acquired the islands from

france as part of the larger colony of malicious and for slaves to mozambique and madagascar to work on colonial coconut plantations they are injustices which continue to this day with third generations to go since who have made the home the united kingdom and i was threatened with deportation as part of the continuing hostile environment approach in this show we get an insight into how this sad story has affected families and how last month's international court decision has raised hopes that one t. the should go since might yet return to their ancestral home. alex speaks first to s. about shiloh of the circus islanders movement is a bow welcome to the alexander show thank you for the screen a strong community of should go zero in the u.k. mostly gather groan croly beer got we killed poor people came originally how many people in that community and

a whole that come about at the moment we are around free townsend or more in the u.k. but why crawley why gatwick airport it's because the first group that came they came to get weak airport they landed there and for couple of days then they were introduced to the council of crawley and it was them who had the duty to look for accommodation for them as we are family orientated in the community when others come we would just say ok you can come to my house instead over so this is how it happened because we just wanted to keep that bond family bond that's very interesting like many immigrant communities once a bridgehead the stablish people grouped together because it was people that knew their friends people from the same background. who represent the the chigger so

when movement to me one of the aims of your organization our aims is for the government both sides morrish us british government and the usa to recognise worth and to give us back our island. your second generation should. you've never been to the islands you were born there i've had the pleasure of meeting your father louis who was born in the machine your sales but is it really the case that people like yourself still regard this at all so in the middle of the indian ocean as you. raymond's of course definitely yes it's my heritage my dad left this form this is our culture our history is made of this island we we just need to know our identity my identity and as many other shy person we believe that it's been stolen away from us and the british government's

argument all these years ago in the one nine hundred sixty s. was the people they cleared and what we know in scotland from the highland clearances incidentally but they cleared from the iowans they were only workers had only been there perhaps a few centuries but they weren't native to the islands is a nothing and not british argument they say you're better off and malicious it's a big lie because the british government never look back after they just dump us and. we as a people as a community we have a voice for ourself we just want to fight for this interest is that they did to our farm in a game that the british argument is that. they gave bullishness money it to look after the she goes in swim the loo went to malicious back in the late sixty's early seventy's that the community see any of these funds the community never receive any food benefit of the money the british government should have looked after us to

find out how was the money spent how we were doing in morrish us but we were neglected just a bond done and been forgotten by british government militias did whether they wanted with us but some of the the she goes heels came to the got we can as you've explained a stylish the community but even though it's not home and it doesn't have anything like the many many attractions of these beautiful islands i'm in the ocean and the advantages of the community being in crawley have been access to health services opportunities educational opportunities are the advantages of the free throws a strong community being in this country as opposed to an island to the middle of the indian ocean home is home. and we are missing that we just came here for power post our fight started in maurice's and we want to end it here in the u.k.

we say is this opportunity when they gave us a british passport we used this to come here so that the world can know our struggle and we are still campaigning to raise awareness of our community we had to go and sleep outside in london last year for people to know about us we are very poor we are very small but we are ready to go to a new level to show the world that we are determined to go back home but as the foreign office organize trips every year we organize trips back to the island. not something that should satisfy the ship goes into the get to go on a visit back to the island how can you be a visitor on your own island natives are just want to go to pay a tribute for the last time mainly when they come back they became more distraught some people they are happy and that give them the more determination to claim the

island back although when they come back the they struggle to cope because others are enjoying our land our city free houses whereas here in britain we have to pay to be very emotional. your father went on a trip and he was just a small child with eleven. it must be a question emotional thing to go back a man to leave again almost as if you're being ready state of the island again yes i understand what my dad is saying i understand his sorrow because when he was little his mum took him to get. treatment to morris and then they were not able to go back home so for him to be able to go back after so many years is that what gave me more strength to go back there because i want to. have a sense of belonging because right now i don't understand myself i don't have an identity of my own i want i want my kids to have their own culture to be able to be

free and freedom is where you are happy happy this would be home beautiful expressed as above this is a long struggle for the shoes in people you've had champions in parliament i think of tom d.l. jeremy called them have been people who over the years of championship cause are you hopeful that perhaps this latest decision will provoke more members of parliament both from the u.k. and they'll spear to rally to the should goes in stand up yes yeah because our community is a community all faith and we've always believed in justice we firmly believe that justice will be done now the court case just and the last few weeks where the british government have been filed against in the united nations an international court of justice now i know of course that you're looking to have your own islands not governed by militias or britain but does that give your heart that the

international community are saying whoop something very bad happened back in the sixty's and this time it was put right i believe that the court of justice did not look into the shadows in a struggle very well it was more focused about the and prior that is british empire that's a very good point was it a marshall court of justice ruling tended to dwell quite rightly above the standard on court the britain had done wrong as part of the colonization yes as opposed to what the indigenous rights of the people might be to self-determination on balance would you say that court ruling against britain was a step forward yes it is a step forward to go on our island. and for that to happen we need to make for great britain to realize that they need to hold the rule of the law

because they might as well ignore it and we do not want that we want other nations to back us back. and as. we need to go home i can't guarantee other manly course that i was although of that newdow that you went out in the end what i can do is present you with the other clear for appearing in the show that you must have something very similar. just a version of the she goes here this. scotch whiskey. in the. past year many island friends thank you thank you it's about that coming up after the break we hear more of the she goes ian story is a look at some of the parliamentary champions wonders of hod over the ages join us send.

us on more considered and the most city against india encouraging animosity among to its national against any one of its neighbors as a good state policy this is where pakistan is very different than. india right now or if they go on this trajectory unfortunately even not being able to be responsible players in this region the speed in the stuff and for far too long because of this ongoing conflict between these two giants in the region. but politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to.

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welcome back and the sickest would we be looking at the personal stories of the ship goes in community many of whom have been living in an effective enclave and the times i've got no port for the past half century alex takes up the story of the ship as islander louis bactrim falls. leigh welcome to the alex salmond sure i sound like you're a second generation a person from the sugar silence who came your father your family came to make the life in the u.k. in two thousand and sixteen the united government said to be forty two million pounds made available to help develop the life style should goes into the u.k. what's happened to that forty two million likes from money doesn't exist the prime minister keep on repeating it was a time but it doesn't exist we haven't seen one of those be your second generation so you have a british passport you have the way to the main that thought generalization should

go see it as the have lost such automatic right and many people are facing deportation almost of the vast deportation having been deported and cleared with sale and no they're facing being deported back to militias how do you feel about that in a way we are trapped. and nobody's listening hopefully now off there's a court ruling you're knighted ruling how did you feel about the international court of justice in the hague ruling against britain the disc give you encouragement when that came out a few weeks ago i don't expect tomorrow terrorism is going to come out and say oh there you go till don't go to go back you know it's ok you know is it was everything is ok now sorry for what we've done i don't know expecting it i thought i expected of about zero to stop and can that sadness of belonging only be satisfied but the community returns to you leyland people of course but sense of belonging is not here at all it has no sense of belonging it's like we are in

a way we've been in for fifty years we've been in a waiting room for fifty years we've been waiting been waiting for our ok you wait this is a prison so this is a life sentence this is a life long wait. wish you all the best and hope you know which. of course but. what i can do is present you with the quiz thank you very much the quakers scots go away for a loving cup thank you very much thank you so much. think you've grown. over the years the islanders have not lacked parliament champions one of the first was a datable term deal forty three years and m.p. and someone who long proclaimed in justice delivered to her majesty's subjects then there was a younger jeremy corrigan kalid long in the back benches supporting international causes and then there was a firebrand who spoke up in favor of the islanders more recently the local m.p.'s

and an all party group have taken up the cudgels however the government has been largely are moved ruling out their turn of the ship coarsens in twenty sixteen shucking off last month's i.c.j. ruling as non-binding. alex fixed a poll more then former m.p. and vice chair of the shake us islands group. problem you know a former vice chair of the all party parliamentary group in the the chiggers islands one thing interests me that i've never met a parliamentarian who wasn't sympathetic to the plight of the island us why is that they had that they are able to combine to force the u.k. government into addressing its responsibilities to be an you're sure can thank you for the invitation to answer your question i think i have made some parliament t.d.'s who are not sympathetic to the cheek or same direction and my expedients they were both members of that u.k. government mr and mr duncan there's been numerous debates in parliament across the

years about the rights the human rights of the chico sale nurse what is it that's standing in there we'll be able to return to their homeland that island and their historic we have life as an indigenous community and what is standing in their way has been success if you could governments both of conservative and labor persuasions and there's no real good reason why the chico sale can't return to their homeland but over the years there's been some dough to pull parliamentary champions and yourself for example i think i'm jeremy corben tom de l. who is probably the first parliamentarian to to raise this issue in the house of commons so they have a lot for a parliamentary voice but somehow though successive governments have been able to deflect the campaigns do you see a change coming with this international court of justice ruling i think then the national community now is really looking at the u.k. thinking here's a country that has been exposed for a whole c.d.'s of field years our course our huge expanse of time and i think that

really is building up and eventually the u.k. government is going to have to do something differently but come help draw the contrast between the u.k.'s attitude to take asylum is that there would be other violence on the one hand and the attitude to the folk lindale and those on the air . the they put a war was fought to preserve the right of the folk in the islands to have the government of but then they wish to check the sky that those were evacuated to vic to clear up from the islands how do you explain that contrast between the islanders in the indian ocean and the islanders in the south atlantic what i think is different heat is that the chico silence themselves that archipelago of the chico sightlines forms war is a unique strategic be for military purposes lots what's different and that's what's going against the chico sale winters and of course we know the history here shows

that the u.k. government affectively sold out the chico sounders stole their lawn stole their wealth stole their lives really all photos told to deal over plot it's nuclear missiles where they saved eleven hundred eleven million pounds which is about two hundred million pounds in today's money it's about military strategy and it's about military objectives and it's about the uki effectively providing a piece for the us military in the indian ocean that's what it's about but the international court of justice in the hague and the united kingdom are represented by the government's attorney general no less do you think he was squatting on them bought a cement when the documents were extracted from the government who showed and demonstrated that civil servants not in the last century of a century before two hundred years ago but still in living memory were describing islanders as manfredi these was he setting squatting in the baddest man as this

started to be extracted of how these island does what the guard did within living memory well i think he certainly should have been squirming with them bothersome and in the. documents that would expose that and also of course the justice sure distinct fate of discrimination probably even recess and the. going through the policies of the u.k. government towards these people you know these are these are the chick also into the plight and humble people you know they left on that islands for well over two hundred years they had a distinct society as a stink community and if any successful one the u.k. government went in and destroyed all of our in living memory so here we are in front of us. and it could really just abuse of people's human rights that the u.k. government is didn't absolutely nothing to make to fight joining us from and with less than everybody in that part of the world will know what it means to talk about people being cleared from the land did you think this day and age would see another

clearances in this camps of defenseless people in the and the indian ocean and how damaging will it be to the united kingdom's one old white reputation when this case is taken to the floor of the united nations where you're quite right i mean the the similarities between the clearances and the highlands where you know the economy of the highlands was destroyed and people would affected author londe and they were forced to a mickey all across the world that's very very important that we recognise that we push for restitution and we make sure that you go sian's have got eight to rebuild their life people their whole life and and rebuild the communities that you know bring something different to the world just as in the highlands so many years ago but again you know i don't have cites you know this isn't hundreds of years ago it's not centuries ago this is a human rights abuse that's taken place to d. in irish society the palmetto you've met the signals the ins and the u.k.

having many people watching this program we've surprised if i know this but we're three thousand people living roncalli me have got work ample what sort of jobs the to these full do how will they settle the united kingdom and what about this issue of third generation she goes ian's big. denied the right to stay the u.k. government denying third generation chicle since that i had to stay in u.k. is just absolutely bizarre we need to remember this is a people that have been forcibly to moved from the it outlines taken to the u.k. by the u.k. government typically the. quite humble job quite practical job so they have no listen to what we might consider to be the professional ranks they have not. done particularly well through education these are gentle obviously alek i think the judgment of the international court of justice shines a light on all thought and particularly shines

a light on the fact that these people these important people have gone absolutely right to turn to that island to develop a call me that they once had and to live the life that they once had their suited to their culture their personalities. and they had aspirations and that's really what we should be trying to force the u.k. government to implement to do the right thing and to let these people go home what about that forty two million pounds the government promised in two thousand and sixteen would be available for the development of to goes in community in society what's happened to that money well nothing i told us happened to the media i'd say again that you know that forty two million is a drop in the ocean compared with the discounts that the u.k. government of a sieved against nuclear weapons in the past the u.k. government seems to think that it has a right to. ignore the trickle cience make idle promises to them and then

abandon them at the top of it so the forty two million. did that when dalek it's never going to be delivered and i really don't think the u.k. government has got any intention of compensating adequately the trickle since for their loss of life that you all seems don't want compensation i don't believe i think what they want as a fear settlement that will allow you they aim to go back to that island to have access to what is the years. from under mass thank you for joining us on the show thank you alec. the home office in recent statements of show no sign of making any concessions to the she goes eons under current british nationality law citizenship is normally only passed on to one generation born abroad this means the grandchildren of research or she goes in to not have a claim to british citizenship because applications are assessed on their individual merits meanwhile the foreign office provides us with the following the sponsor to the international court of justice through lng this is an advisory

opinion not a judgement of course we will look at the detail of it carefully the defense to sell it is in the british indian ocean territory help to protect people he didn't britain and around the world from terrorist threats organized crime and piracy but not much of a change of heart there then there's a campaign running for the last few years called britain is great of which the government is very proud vast sums of public money are expended in telling the world what a strong powerful country britain is no longer a colonial power but still very much a force to be reckoned with it is rather an inconvenient truth therefore for the international court of justice with every international judges setting with the only exception of the american to serve up a searing indictment of colonial behavior and behavior not rooted in the days of diplomacy but within living memory where native islanders were dismissed as man friday's an official documents the government has italy dismissed i.c.t.

ruling against britain as non-binding and that is true in the sense that no one is going to send a gunboat up the thames and train is firepower in the house of commons but moral force is judged on the force of argument not on the argument of force. but to night stands condemned not just as a country with a clue in your past but one unwilling to make proper reparations in the present and stands condemned already before the world court and shortly in all likelihood before the united nations itself. tonight the third generation of people cleared from the islands of papa home in the u.k. is measurable petty i mean minded an attitude entrenched as if the winter scandal had never happened and thus the bitter legacy of colonialism continues to this day and reality countries are not judged by the number of warheads and submarines by the hard part of fleet carriers by the billions of armed seals but by the

excellence of education the compassion of social services their usefulness to the wider international community and above all the treatment to which the state meets out to the weak and vulnerable and that test the ship was in story preaches britain how does a great country but a very small one indeed. from alex me and all of the team here at the show it's good bye for now and we'll see here next thank you. thank you am. i. my son doing drugs my nephews was still in drugs my sister just with doing drugs it

was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse we started going after the users in the prison population who are we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill. when the war on drugs was a mistake there are countless numbers of people who are in prison for. sentences for minor minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say by daddy as you're walking out of a business it's just it doesn't get easier. is absolutely no doubt that pakistan has set a certain crude proven track record off sponsoring terrorism you know something so

that's your evidence of that we have not received any evidence then we are joined then we are for investigation of any kind and we have more heard anything about that in. the u.s. says the fight against islamic state is far from over as terrorists and their families are leaving their last stronghold in syria and vowed never to be defeated . an alleged cyber attack on a british instituted that seeks to counter russian just information is now being investigated by the u.k.'s crime agency despite having no forensic evidence the head of the institute already insists the russian intelligence is to blame. bill nothing which makes the.