but the situation is still tansen kashmir is our risk of violence breaking out again. yet the tradition has been there continue as you mentioned when all what has happened there tension has is winding down again groups operating from a fly but would like to be convinced that what pakistan is doing is not merely medical needs or that they are willing to bring the long have bit of a sponsor in terrorist activities against india a look not that problem it is not i'm afraid that this. often all. actions on indian soil leading to escalation in will continue. so the steps to discuss later came quick and worked goodwill gesture from pakistan so as a release of their captives indian palace can that momentum of making sense carry on forward and bring about opportunities to improve the climate between india and

pakistan. i don't think it is possible there are two steps that have been taken but as i mentioned much more needs to be done the structural problem but it comes to india pakistan relations which is the link to buy can sponsor ship of terrorism but there bloomed that because of its nuclear weapon capability india will continue to work to some time described as fact with this train and not respond to terrorist activity on its flight this time in their desire to otherwise their full amount. from and clear has been sent to pakistan international community has also one big very clear message to pakistan that it's not in its interest it's not an interest of digital and global business security that pakistan should sponsor terrorist activities allow them to operate with impunity from its soil and

so lucky that there will be some change and some fundamental change in months and years to come so the heirs claimed it inflicted major damage on the terrorist camp and sat the pakistani territory however x.m.a.s. or it is deny this independent researchers have also cast doubt on indian version of dance and journalists is that india who doubt that special story are selling the pressure from the government but at rallies politicians are talking about hundreds of kill terrorists are in a store it is exaggerating to scale as there were tally. nor as well. in the parties have not given any number of what is inflicted as a result of the counterterrorist action taken by indian air force in the forces and from that it hit against the target that were given to it and it was done poorly i think the best the good. the objective has been conveyed that pakistan cannot

operate with impunity as i mentioned earlier and that india will retaliate if such actions continue to be mounted by pakistan on indian soil and it was hard to believe that the sides will actually go to all out war over this incident even though it was scary if for a moment what is the point of this short escalations if the situation always stays the same after the dust has settled. believe one or clarified that that noise still lingered the dissent but all. if i may describe it as such if there was any real risk of outbreak of war written india and pakistan i believe that all neither side was in interest of escalating the situation beyond a point our strong desire on india's particle is to see that their normal business

and there is still it is maintained and that we move towards the nor more amicable relations pakistan but this will require as i mentioned earlier some more fundamental shift in pakistan attitude on issues relating to terrorism so will this kind of thing just keep on happening between india and pakistan forever. well hopefully not in fact as you can see it indio the country which is. his name even when it comes to its pursuit operative and legend. india's economy is the fastest growing major economy in the world today and if you would like to concentrate on that we do not want to be distracted by pakistan but given the whole incident lake. happened there i think while india especially in a democracy. build needs to take north some action and in this case they have gone

to the list. very taken by indian air force but as i mentioned earlier india is not interested in escalating tensions that pakistan you'd like to have more in a given relations pakistan and if i could really absorb the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy we can move down a more positive part in our relations in relations between india and pakistan so the underlying issue behind the terror attacks is the status of genuine kashmir an issue that seems to be frozen in time with neither side willing to start doing anything about it how much longer will new delhi and islamabad tolerate powder keg like that which can bring them to an all out war that nobody really wants why is that share of cash they're not moving along for decades now even palestinians and israelis have managed to make some progress since nine hundred forty seven you know

surely it's is or to do that for pakistanis and indians it's. you know as well that your going to school is concerned from india's perspective the only issue that needs immediate result is like my pakistan of illegal occupation of parts of juggling read that's our position but when it comes to ten thousand india and pakistan there are a whole fundamental issues which are causally linked to metre of polity in pakistan the rhythm into stablished men dominate balti in pakistan and it all they have a certain vested interest in promoting ottley d n a mostly directed against india so this is one sure where pakistan needs to do some introspection and see how because the pursuit of certain policies is already gone and we have been

affected are the little ovations the faith which is not at all good for pakistan apart from you know problems by the time created for his neighbors whether it's india whether it's pakistan but that whether it is china i think that problem needs to be addressed by pakistan quite quietly and cynthia. pakistan has repeatedly denied supporting terrorists such as jaish e mohammad and islamabad sad it's red it's a corporate with india and combat inc extremism is it sarah told pakistan responsible for actions of non-state actors i mean for instance the batter clan attacks in paris were carried out by belgians but we don't expect friends to bomb belgium or turned away you know i think be a very clear back to long established pattern of the northeast activities that elected against india are in open most recently we have pulled our law before that

we had already we had not done six eleven in two thousand and eight when they were attacked in mumbai. it was attack indian parliament in two thousand and one and in all the incidents the absolutely no doubt they did involvement of this group operating with impunity from pakistan soil or from totally control over pakistan i think the situation needs to be changed and india's patience and regard is frankly not limitless there is a lot of anger in india that pakistan is unwilling to change have it and the guard are going to get lucky and all despite all these. problems the indian economy will continue to progress but this is a situation which is not acceptable india has been a very response to power our response to society and polity and country but our

responsibility should not be taken as a sign or manifestation of helplessness as pakistan was in playing to do that's why in this case indian air force had to take certain firm action directly against jackson ahmed facility which i look at it in pakistan. and just last question to wrap it up the terror attack in cash where was preceded by a terror attack in iran carried out by the group that is also allegedly aid it or at least tolerate by pakistan i have heard indian afghan politicians or kids pakistan of directly aiding terror groups many times and islamabad always denies it why doesn't the indian government publicly show irrefutable proof of pakistan's support of terrorism. to put an end to this debate once and for all. it was not a question of india taking certain position in fact the international community is

polygamist you just ask people in in there in afghanistan are you are people in iran you are people in your theory in the only country that think there is absolutely no doubt that pakistan has there a certain cruel proven track record off into recent. tend to believe that their terrorism can be used as their what is mystically described as the conventional nor mean for and all the india and other neighboring countries there are no lapdance of proof in fact to look at the actions taken by one to think that when they're coming to the un security council they have very little many and all that is groups and there is. it is operating out of pakistan that's not action taken by india that's actually taken by us to talk to counsel a one to six of an al qaeda committee so it's not

a question of india taking a position in another not accepting i think that's something which is being internationally acknowledged that pakistan is a problem when it comes to his sponsorship of terrorism all right ambassador thank you very much for this interview best of luck with everything we'll take a short break right now and we're back well hear that pakistan is the current situation in cash where for a match out there a pakistan spiral minister for information and broadcasting stay with us.

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a fish because you want to be able to hold over from your both get on to it now without fear or hope that i can only focus here. for a while until the united. while come back to the show in the first part of the show we heard the indian point of view on the escalation of tensions between new delhi and islamabad over they deadly terrorist attack in kashmir now. very pakistan's federal minister for information and broadcasting is here to present they pakistani perspective mr chaudhry welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us thank you for

having me so much under india says its planes struck a terror camp inside pakistan but islamabad denies these and says india hate nothing how is anyone to believe anything about this conflicts accounts of events. well yes you are absolutely right everyone will have their own perspective we will have our own perspective india will have its own perspective. then what one what one should do one should look at the new pearl account so you can go and see the world destroy your own that you can see the international media reports you can order is that what the independent news agencies have reported and the fact is that . kind of the the fear of indians you know force has actually you know i think has damaged prime minister mood there is a negative also the kind of that it was going to build the indian army and the depends forces that has shattered and actually it has shattered the myth of

invincibility of for prime minister modi himself so i think it has hurt the lord in the includes that they are done so much that they are almost close to be a superpower so this whole of the school has actually shattered by this very immature actions by india so the terror attack that started the conflict was carried out from pakistani controlled territory about the same time another group of terrorists attacked iran also from pakistani controlled territory why is pakistan putting itself at risk of relations from its neighbors by tolerating terrorist organizations within its borders or are the extremist groups too powerful for the pakistani authorities to control. well presently there is no evidence to that so we have historical issues with india so they're trying to blame everything on par because on the fact of the matter is even if you see two bills united nations human rights report you will see the atrocities of indian army in kashmir

has actually been you could so much fear current for india in kashmir that even now there are really all indian writers independent you know the media people there are also reporting that such into incidents are actually indigenous and in the first speech when the prime minister of pakistan asked india that if you are a legend something so just should it wouldn't of that we have not received any evidence then we are for joining us for investigation of any kind we have not heard anything about that then we are let's talk and are we have not heard anything of that and actually the prime minister moody has used this incident more for his personal political beings and that is actually problematic when a politician refuses to care about the lives. of girls and hundreds and millions of people and just focus on its own politics that's actually unfortunate

so you're saying there is no proof or evidence does this mean that are you saying indian air force just struck pakistan without any cost. of course of course this is what baucus. demanded from india and on the very first day when. some of the militia members in pakistan has claimed responsibility and it is evident through that prime minister non-con went on he answered in the other that sure that i would and we're looking forward to that and if we prove if you crew provide us evidence we are ready for action and literal and he also offered in the investigation into the into this incident he are not good for the box also but our officers have never met with any you know so stern to counter offer and other in the herd just tried to create a war frenzy in their part and knowledge that consensus even in the india that

prime minister modi has actually true he is actually trying to use this incident for his own political gains so that distance as it is ready to call parade with india on the anti terror front after this latest flare up how serious can this cooperation get i mean can we really see two countries that were just on a brink of war becoming anti terror allies all of a sudden. look this is the only option available how can i mean we have three options we are neighbors for seventy years when you know we have four through force we can fight another war the second option is we keep repeating it to india actually sponsor terrorism in pakistan from there to the rest of the class would we have enough evidence to prove that indeed our sponsors terrorism in pakistan this once are terrorism in baluchistan and it continues through the crowd to become as an all of course we all know we can always try to weaken them and the third option is the let's become you know let's talk to each of that and let's become

a partner in fighting terrorism now we're offering this third option to india what else we can do this is what we are trying to push through to indian dealership that the only way forward is that if we proclamation if we go on the issues and push when it is obviously one real issue that pakistan and india need to talk about how can you how do you know they have it has become the most militarized territory in the word with every ten question is how one installed on them so this is the kind of environment we have created in the schmear so we would like to cooperate with us and we can actually. resolve many you probably should. prince harry now han has shown calm and restrained by freeing the day in day and captive pilot and he is demand that want to and am mending of the end of pakistani ties can this become the foundation for an all round psalm and the relationship between the two countries.

well we're looking forward to that we want this to become. we want to move forward prime minister non-commital even before taking what offered in the know that if you take one stair we'll take two steps but are. coming to have the king altered your picking power iran can has not doing its policy and we open qatar where border for india we started to use the. incentives in this region but actually we have not been responded with that. with the same courtesy is actually prime minister who would be there with a rather wide perception is that prime minister moody is actually trying to clear this war frenzy environment for his own elections and under under us we have the elections already in india chances of moving forward towards peace are very difficult but actually we are waiting for those elections to happen and certainly

we can start again. india claims pakistan american bought af sixteen's to engage indian war planes which goes against a contract signed with the us when it was obtaining they have sixteen's their rule was that the planes shouldn't be used against another country what kind of an american reaction to this can be expected will pakistan be a further sanction for this were you thinking. well in order for there to we paid full amount for those f. sixteen s and those photos i think we have more while you could any. in. this you know incident nor of have been used in this incident as well as no one has on as ordered immediate killer but you know. we actually put want to get into war we don't want these incidents to happen we are standing for peace we

want to still be resolved without resorting to f. sixteen s and f. seventeen and you know the bombs and and moreover we want to introduce it to be resolved peacefully but little war is imposed on us obviously than we know how to fight wars so the united states has long been an ally of pakistan that recent american presidents are growing cold towards islamabad or they alleged support of terrorism and washington's reaction to this most recent crisis was more supportive and sympathetic of india actually so should pakistan not count on american help anymore is that door closing for islamabad. well frankly we want good relations with the u.s. it we also want good relations with the u.s.s.r. there's a historic you know you can say our dial a mom of four walking sons or lucian share with us. and we keep

changing you know when you are saying the perception is there in us and in spark a sonnet becomes friending in when we don't need repugnance on they become you know and in music if not enemies they we can stranger so this is a kind of relationship god we always have and will bring us here but now we want a strong relationship based on economy and that is the same kind of relationship we want to have with the militia also and as you know in the recent past partisan and have come close to each other so maybe there will be there are some i would say some issues because of the do a simple but we're ready to roll i mean there will be other sovereign country we're going to we want a relationship independent relationship with all the countries but certainly. the lucian ships are based on mutual interest and goes interest will be we'll take

the lead. that china is becoming closer with pakistan in helping pakistan in the un and investing in the country as part of the silk road project as islamabad expect chinese help in case of a real conflict with india as well well frankly we we have we have more thinking in terms of conflict. we are thinking thinking more in terms of peaceful resolution of things. but as for this conflict is concerned i did think pakistan has the suit huge void support after this incident we have received those you know that has offered mediation president trump has asked for history and the european union has actually said that india must not less clear things so but i think. we are not thinking in terms of conflict in the world for this befriends operation or we are all in this conflict but even trying obviously pakistan has

a very long standing historical relationship and deal relationships are based on economy. the project that china is investing in pakistan is obviously is such a huge economic project that we would like you when we have offered other countries to come and invest in pakistan so we would like the relationship with the world with china and with other countries based on our economic you know bad influence and we want to achieve peace for the heart and normalization within b.r. and stability in afghanistan are two most important i would say last two most important goals of our government are at mr choudary sankyo for the center you were talking to chadri pakistan's federal minister for information and broadcasting discussing the recent escalation between islamabad and new delhi earlier in the program with her at the indian version of these events from a master i shall contact farmer in here and watch a china next secretary for

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