between india and pakistan so have been contained now with pakistan releasing the captured indian pilot and returning its commissioner to new delhi but the situation is still tansen kashmir is our risk of violence breaking out again. the question has been continue as you mentioned when all what has happened there tension has been is winding down they are happy to see that under international pressure pakistan has taken some steps against terrorist groups operating from a fly but would like to be convinced that what pakistan is doing is not merely medical needs or that they are willing to breach the law on have big office ponselle interests activities against india a look not that problem it is not i'm afraid that this you offer no terrorist actions on indian soil leading to escalation in will continue. so the

steps to discuss later came quick and worked goodwill gesture from pakistan so as a release of a captive indian palace can that momentum of making sense carry on forward and bring about opportunities to improve the climate between india and pakistan. i yes it is possible there are two steps that i've been taken but as i mentioned much more needs to be done the structural problem but it comes to india pakistan relations which is the link to. the ship of terrorism but there loomed that because look with nuclear weapon capability india will continue to want to sometime describe this tactic this train and not respond to terrorist activity on its flight this is indeed the so-called otherwise. hope one big very clear message to pakistan that it's not in its interest it's not in

interest of digital and global business security that pakistan should sponsor terrorist activities allow them to operate with impunity from which so i'm so lucky that there will be some change and some fundamental change in months and years to come so india has claimed it inflicted major damage on the terrorist camp and sad to pakistan territory however x.m.a.s. or it is deny this and independent researchers have also cast doubt on indian version of dance and journalists is that india who doubt their special story are selling the pressure from the government but at rallies politicians are talking about hundreds of kill terrorists are in a store it is exaggerating to scale of there were tally. nor as well. in the parties have not given any number of the inflicted as a result of the counterterrorist action taken by indian air force in the forces and

from that it hit against the target duggar that were given to it and it was done poorly i think the basic objectively has been conveyed that pakistan cannot operate with impunity and then. earlier and that india will retaliate if activist actions continue to be mounted by pakistan on indian soil and it was hard to believe that the sides will actually go to all out war over this incident even though it was scary if for a moment what is the point of this short ask. if the situation always stays the same after the dust has settled. believe one or clarified that that noise still lingered the dissent but all. if i may describe it as such if there was any real risk of outbreak of war britain india and pakistan i believe that all neither side was in interest of escalating

the situation beyond a point our strong desire on india particularly to see that their normal business and there is still it is maintained and that we move towards the no more amicable relations pakistan but this will require as i mentioned earlier some more fundamental shift in pakistan attitude on issues relating to terrorism so will this kind of thing just keep on happening between india and pakistan forever. well hopefully not in fact as you can see it indio the country which is. going his name even when it comes to its pursuit operative love and legend. india's economy is the fastest growing major economy in the world today and if you would like to concentrate on that we do not want to be distracted by pakistan but given the whole incident lake. happened there i think while india

especially in a democracy. build needs to take the north some action and in this case they have gone to the list. very taken by indian air force but as i mentioned earlier india is not interested in escalating pakistan you'd like to have more in a given relations pakistan and if i could really absorb the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy we can move down a more positive part in our relations in relations between india and pakistan so the underlying issue behind the terror attacks is the status of genuine kashmir an issue that seems to be frozen in time with neither side willing to start doing anything about it how much longer will new delhi and islamabad tolerate powder keg like that which can bring them to an all out war that nobody really wants why is

that issue of kashmir now moving along for decades now even palestinians and israelis have managed to make some progress since nine hundred forty seven you know surely it is or to do that for pakistanis and indians. you know as well that your going to school is concerned from india's perspective the only issue that needs immediate result is like my pakistan of illegal occupation of parts of juggling read that's our position but when it comes to anything that india and pakistan there are a whole fundamental issues which are causally linked to meter of quality in pakistan they lead them into stablished men dominate balti in pakistan and then all they have a certain vested interest in promoting articulately in any most directed against india so this is the one you surely are pakistan needs to do some

introspection and see how because the pursuit of certain policies is already gone and we have been affected how the little ovations the faith which is not at all good for pakistan apart from you know problems by the time created for his neighbors whether it's india whether it's pakistan that iran whether it's china i think that problem needs to be addressed by pakistan quite quietly and cynthia. pakistan has repeatedly denied supporting terrorists such as jaish e mohammad and islamabad sad it's red it's a corporate with india and combat inc extremism is it fair to hold pakistan responsible for actions of non-state actors i mean for instance the batter clan attacks in paris were carried out by belgians but we don't expect france to bomb belgium were turned away. you know i think they're very clear back to long

established pattern of the north east activities that directed against india are an open most recently we have pulled our law before that we had already we had not only six eleven in two thousand and eight when they were attacked in mumbai. it was attack indian parliament in two thousand and one and in all the incidents that absolutely no doubt they did involvement of this group which are operating with impunity from pakistan soil or from totally control or pakistan i think the situation needs to be changed and india's patience and regard is frankly not limitless there is a lot of anger in india that pakistan is unwilling to change have it and the guard are going to get lucky and all despite all these. problems the indian economy will continue to progress but this is

a situation which is not acceptable india has been a very response to power our response to society and polity and country but our responsibility should not be taken as a sign or manifestation of helplessness as pakistan was in plain to do that's why in this case indian air force had to take certain from action directly against jackson ahmed facility which i look at it in pakistan. and just last question to wrap it up there terror attack in cash where was preceded by a terror attack in iran carried out by the group that is also allegedly aid it or at least tolerate by pakistan i have heard indian afghan politicians or kids pakistan of directly aiding terror groups many times and islamabad always denies it why doesn't the indian government publicly show irrefutable proof of pakistan's support of terrorism. to put an end to this debate once and for our. it was not

a question of india taking certain position in fact the international community is polygamist you just asked people in in there in afghanistan are you are people in iran you are people in your theory in the only country that think there is absolutely no doubt that pakistan has there a certain cruel proven track record on interest and it will tend to believe that their terrorism can be used as their what does the mystically described as the conventional nor mean for and all the india and other neighboring countries there are no lapdance of proof in fact to look at the action taken by one to think that when they're coming to the un security council they have very little many in or there is groups and there is there there is

operating out of pakistan that's not action taken by india that's action taken by u.n. security council a one two six i'm an old guy that committee so it's not a question of india taking a position in another not accepting i think that's something which is being internationally acknowledged that pakistan is a problem when it comes to his sponsorship of terrorism all right ambassador thank you very much for this interview best of luck with everything we'll take a short break right now and we're back well hear that pakistan is the current situation in cash where for a match out there a pakistan spiral minister for information and broadcasting stay with us.

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welcome back to the show in the first part of the show we heard the indian point of view on the escalation of tensions between new delhi and islamabad over they deadly terrorist attack in kashmir now. very pakistan's federal minister for information

and broadcasting is here to present they pakistani perspective misha chaudhry welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us thank you for having me so much under india says its planes struck a terror camp inside pakistan side islamabad deny is the sense as india hate nothing how is anyone to believe anything about this conflicts accounts of events. well yes you are absolutely right everyone will have their own perspective we will have our own perspective india will have its own perspective and then what one what one should do one should look at the new pearl account so you can go and see the reuters story on that you can see the international media reports you can order to see that what the independent news agencies have reported and the fact is that. the kind of the the fear of indians you know force has actually you know i think has damaged prime minister mood is the message there were also the kind of that it was

going to build the indian army and the depend forces that has shattered and actually it has shattered the myth of invincibility of for prime minister modi himself so i think it has a hurt the lord in the includes that. has actually shattered by this very immature actions by india so the terror attack that started the conflict was carried out from pakistani controlled territory about the same time another group of terrorists attacked iran also from pakistani controlled territory why is pakistan putting itself at risk of relations from its neighbors by tolerating terrorist organizations within its borders or are the extremist groups too powerful for the pakistani authorities so we have historical issues with india also they're trying to blame everything on parkas on the fact of the matter is even if you see two bills united nations human rights report you will see the atrocities of indian army in kashmir has actually been you could so much fear current for india. that even

now there are really all indian writers independent you know the media people there are also reporting that sucked into incidents are actually indigenous and in the first speech when the prime minister of pakistan asked india that if you are a legend something so just should. we've been sort of that we have not received any evidence then we are for joining then we are for investigation of any kind we have not heard anything about doubt then we are let's talk and are we have not heard anything of that and actually the prime minister moody has used this incident more for his personal political gains and that is actually problematic when a politician who refuses to care about the lives lives and groups of hundreds of millions of people and just focus on its own politics that's actually unfortunate so you're saying there is no proof or evidence does this mean that are you saying

indian air force just struck pakistan without any cause of course of course and on the very first day when. some or the militia members in pakistan has claimed responsibility and it is evident throughout prime minister non-con went or he asked in the other that sure that i would and we're looking forward to that and if we prove if you prove provide us evidence we are ready for action and literal and he also offered india our investigation into the into this incident he are not good for the box also but our officers have never met with any you know so stern to counter offered and other in the herd just tried to create a war frenzy in their part and knowledge that consensus even in india that prime minister modi has actually true he is actually trying to use this incident for his own political gains so magazine says it is ready to call parade with india on the

anti terror front after this latest flare up how serious can this cooperation get i mean can we really see two countries that were just on a brink of war becoming anti terror allies all of a sudden. look this is the only option available how can i mean we have three options we are neighbors for seventy years when you know we're for through force we can fight another war the second option is we can you repeat india actually sponsor terrorism in pakistan from there to the rest of the press would we have enough evidence to prove that india our sponsors terrorism in pakistan this once or terrorism in baluchistan and it continues through the crowd to become as an all of course we all know we can always try to weaken them and the third option is the let's become you know let's talk to each other that and let's become a partner in fighting terrorism now we're offering this third option to india what else we can do this is what we are trying to push through to indian dealership that

the only way forward is that if we proclamation if we go on the issues and kashmir is obviously one real issue that pakistan and india need to talk about how can you how do you know they have it has become the most militarized territory in the word with every word then crush millions how one installed on them so this is the kind of environment they have created in the schmear so we would like to cooperate with us and we can actually. resolve many you probably should. promise area around han highest shown calm and restrained by freeing the day in day and captive pilot and he is demand that want to and am mending of the end of pakistani ties can this become the foundation for an all round som in the relationship between the two countries. well we're looking forward to that we want this to become. we want to

move forward prime minister noncommittally even before taking what offered in the know that if you take one stair we'll take two steps but are coming to have the king altered your picking power iran can has not doing its policy and we open qatar where border for india we started peace. peace incentives in this region but actually we have not been responded with that. with the same is actually prime minister moody there was a rather wide perception is that prime minister moody is actually trying to clear this war frenzy environment for his own elections and under under us we have the elections over in india chances of moving forward towards peace are very difficult but actually we are waiting for those elections to happen and certainly we can start again. india claims pakistan american bought af sixteen's to

engage indian war planes which goes against a contract signed with the us when it was obtaining they have sixteen's their rule was that the planes shouldn't be used against another country what kind of an american reaction to this can be expected will pakistan be a further sanction for this were you thinking. well in order for there to we paid full amount for those f. sixteen s and those photos i think you know more while you could any. in. this incident nora have been used in this incident as well as the by his on his own really made it killer but you know. we actually point want to get into war we don't want to use incidents to happen we are standing for peace we want to still be resolved without this is not going to f. sixteen s and f. seventeen and you know the bombs and more we want to introduce it to be resolved

peacefully but little war is imposed on us obviously than we know how to fight wars so the united states has long been an ally of pakistan but recent american presidents are growing cold towards islamabad or they alleged support of terrorism and washington's reaction to this most recent crisis was more supportive and sympathetic of india actually so should pakistan not count on american help anymore is that door closing for islamabad. well frankly we want good relations with the u.s. it we also want good relations with the u.s.s.r. there's a historic you know you can say i die lemme off walking sunday lucian share with us. and. it keeps changing you know when you are saying the perception is there when us and inspire to stand it becomes friend in me is that we can

strangers so this is a kind of relationship we always have and will bring us here but now we want a strong relationship based on economy and that is the same kind of relationship we want to have with the militia also there and as you know in the recent past partisan and russia have come close to each other so maybe there will be there are some i would say some issues because i'm with you a simple but we're ready to roll i mean there will be other sovereign country we're going to we want a relationship independent relationship with all the countries but certainly. the lucian ships are based on mutual interest and goes interest will be will take the lead. so china is becoming closer with pakistan and is helping pakistan in the un and investing in the case of a real conflict with india as well. well frankly we we have we have more thinking

in terms of conflict we are thinking more in terms of peaceful resolution of things . but. this conflict is concerned i think pakistan has the serious huge void support after this incident we have received those you know that has offered mediation president trump has asked for restraint the european union has actually said that india must not less clear things so but i think. we are not thinking in terms of conflict in the world for this befriends operation or we are all in this conflict but even trying obviously pakistan has a really long standing historical relationship and deal relationships are based on economy. the project that china is investing in pakistan is always the is such a huge economic project that we would like when we have offered other countries to

come and invest in pakistan so we would like the relationship with the world with china and with other countries based on our economic you know running for it and we want to achieve peace for the heart and normalization within the r. and stability in afghanistan are two most important i would say last two most important goals of our government are at mr choudary sankyo for the center you were talking to chadri pakistan's federal minister for information and broadcasting discussing the recent escalation between islamabad and new delhi earlier in the program with her the indian version of these events from a master i shall contact former india and watch china next secretary for a day at the ministry of external affairs that's it for this edition of so i think i'll see you next.

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