hello and welcome to cross town where all things are considered peter lavelle who would have thought a somali born muslim woman elected to congress would ignite a long overdue national conversation also tried of wants to make the military industrial complex again. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest dmitri bobbitt he's a political analyst we spoke nick international and in athens we cross to alex krista for oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate let me go first to our athens alex. congresswoman omar her greatest sin was not saying anything remotely anti-semitic not even actually anti israel her sin was is to reveal the very cozy relationship congress has with apac

and with israel and she got plummeted from for it on all cross the aisle both sides and the media continues to misrepresent what she actually said and then we point out here it's probably the only issue that i would agree with her on and i think that what's that's is what makes this national conversation very very important go ahead in athens yeah i agree with you on that of reading her comments i don't think there was there was anything that controversial as to what she said she said something that many people in d.c. i'm sure are well aware of and everybody that's watching this show i'm sure is well aware of but the interesting part about this whole story peter is i think the medic israel stuff is more of a side show the real story to all of this to me at least was watching the democrats having to deal with do we condemn black muslim love immigrant. women there

are do we condemn comments about israel anti semitism and this speaks to the intersectionality that is plaguing the democrats and the united states as a whole everything is being dissected and chopped up into little bits and now you have the ultimate conundrum you have omar speaking maybe you could sit or eight disparaging comments about israel or jews but maybe not but the point is that you have the democrats now and palosi trying to figure out what do we do here do we go after omar do we go after israel is it anti semitic what it did to the day peter they ended up condemning everybody everybody. oh i'm doing is eating popcorn watching this entire thing happen particularly to the democratic party because for a point it out here i mean you see a party that is more and more divided and it's because of identity politics ok and i think it's also very important here is that it is a fundamental orthodoxy it is

a taboo subject to talk about the cozy relationship congress has with a pac and and there's a lot of members of congress it is alleged that have dual citizenship that does bring up interesting questions here particularly when you're looking at american foreign policy in the middle east here again change she's broken a lot of taboos but people all of washington d.c. knows these things but talking about it is not it's not allowed it's a it's a global cavour because basically in france there was a big scandal just last week president decided to put a sign over equality between what he called zionism and anti-semitism and in fact by antis zionism if you look at his statements he meant any criticism or of the foreign ports just of the state of israel or any criticism or. support that the united states and the european union gave to israel when israel has. some

kind of a conflict with its neighbor. in fact you know that there was not a single syrian fighter jet that will be born or sure that targets on the israeli territory suspense of dollars us dollars and so one being rates by his radio during the last few years against whom against a country which is in rapturous of a civil war and not noticing it here it is just getting decent to you know exactly me go back to athens here alex also i think it's really it's interesting to me at least is that we have an immigrant a muslim woman from somalia. really demanding us to think about what the first amendment means as well because you know we have we had this spat during the one nine hundred eighty s. where i remember it very very well where criticism of israel is anti-semitism which is absolutely absurd on the face of it here and again i think this is what congress

congresswoman omar is pointing out here is that words have meaning the way you want them to be applied not there is no universal sense or in washington we can tell you what words mean go ahead alex yeah i mean i think it's good that you know she she said these things if we decide to approach them from the standpoint of talking about policy and we could have this debate honestly as to what people think the u.s. his position should be because of the israel and the relationship between the two countries this is absolutely fine but i think you're exactly right peter in that what's going to happen after these comments have been forgot it is that you going to see more censorship. you're going to see more political censorship going to see more tech censorship and that's going to be the result of these comments and the censorship is going to take place in the form of well this person got on facebook or on twitter and they said anti sabbatical remarks are going to be suspended your accounts could it be be deleted that's what that's what the end result is going to be you're going to see a more of

a crackdown free speech not an opening up of free speech unfortunately the i'm well in fact i think we should differentiate between three different thinks there is an unholy union or so-called liberal interventionists and america no course. whose policy is in the middle east where disastrous for everyone including israel was israel more secure. george bush they're doing invaded iraq it wasn't more secure there was more extremism in there in the area there were more terrorist groups operating so there is this what a union there is the israeli government which is very radical which one thanks to their own intimidation tactics and there is the israeli people and the jewish people around the world whose interests i think are not really served by the new brilliant evangelists talked about by the powers that be in the united states is actually in the end good for israel either i want to go back to athens here i mean

it's if you go to the pages of. the new the american conservative you know they have a very very realist in their foreign policy and you know an article comes to mind real quickly israel isn't. the united states i don't see what the united states gets out of it actually i see only net negatives about its relationship though you wouldn't know that from the mainstream media which of course you're always i mean i've said often on this program in american mainstream media they say as little as possible about israel and don't say anything at all about saudi arabia alex i did i just don't see that it is. it's a mutually beneficial relationship even though i think its depth detrimental to israel itself go ahead alex yeah i think that's why they're going to try to shut down market because they don't want to have the discussion of the narrative is that it's that it's america's most trusted ally no one ever goes beyond that to question why it is or why it is it and i want to make

a point that i was very very disappointed with how palosi positioned this whole thing because at the end the day her statement was full of maher she's she's you know emigrates she doesn't speak english very well she doesn't understand the language very well i found it instead of you know putting up the debate she completely shut it down and then threw it on the fact that omar is an immigrant and doesn't know what she's saying you know exactly the same point here i mean looking at how omar is being treated she's being treated as if she was ignorant and actually i think there's a wolf of racism right there she doesn't speak english very well she does understand the meaning of words that it's a totalitarian mindset words mean what i tell you the mean are you can't think for yourself reminds me of the situation in the u.k. where mrs thatcher suddenly criticised the european union her press secretary emerged and you said madame is very sick and she won't be making

a new more political comments so this is the same kind of attitude we heard from mrs pelosi like she's not qualified she doesn't speak english you know but coming back to this cycle in the american conservative by daniel erickson in fact what he says is interesting because he says that the united states gets nothing in return for the extensive diplomatic support that it provides well the united states doesn't get the vote that i do or would you or neo-cons doesn't get and because how do that now justify the destruction of iraq their destruction over the bed the destruction of syria they justified by the defense of israel. so how. does one become more secure how come we hear from mr netanyahu every day you know we have more a name is now iran is an enemy there was not a single case where there would be a proven link between terroristic d.v.d.s. against israel and the iranian government iran itself became

a victim of sunni radical sunni terrorism many times in the last at least twenty years and we don't read it in the western media there was a terrible for example there was a terrible terrorist attempt against the israeli embassy in lebanon and that passed almost unnoticed in the united states if a united states embassy was attacked somewhere in the middle east and there would be an explosion and the world you can imagine they would remember it until now and they would eventually it until now we go back to our friends here. we saw the the leading democratic contenders for the presidential sweepstakes they basically divided on this issue of omar does that give you the sense that this isn't going to go forty seconds alex yeah yeah it'll be used as a way and i think the republican aides say the conservative mainstream media you know that they should use it as a way not not because it's the right thing to do but because on the other side of

the spectrum all you've been hearing for the past two years is russia russia russia racist racist racist and so you finally have now you know the democrats kind of the other shoe is on the other foot now and whether you believe should be an anti-semitic remarks or not it is going to be used as a wedge issue and i think the conservative media fox news and the republicans are going to use it as that and they kind of you know have a right to do so considering what the democrats on the left well you know done to them for the past two years yeah because i think what's interesting is that no one's actually talking about what she actually said is what they think was said here that's all the time we have here thank you alex in athens oh we're going to go to a short break right now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with our city. what holds its institutions a little. bit put themselves on the lawn and they get accepted or rejected.

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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. and now to london we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics first magazine thank you for being with us marcus in the first part of the program we've been brewing around congresswoman omar the issue of accusing people of anti-semitism it is a mess and only in the united states it's also in france and it's certainly a major story now based on what i'm misapply by of anti-semitism in the labor government go ahead marcus. well paid anti semitism is a saddle full of races and it needs to be told let's say as

indeed all forms of racism need to be fulfilled relentlessly including i should say on precedents it's heights by british and american journalists and politicians but it's there is quite a long history although weaponize and he sentences and exploiting the holocaust in both america and in britain so in one thousand seven hundred i mean america jimmy carter exploited the holocaust in order to win situation but now britain's there are allegations that jeremy cool is anti semitic let me say this. peter any on ists person in british politics will tell you this even if you don't like any of your choosing roles is between racist white because there is not one racist bone in his body because he has dedicated his entire political career so

fighting racism included and semitism so these charges against jerry corbin a human being and he said makes it a completely unsound it's what they are about is to try and over for me immensely just the later because he is and seek life its isolation leads war he's pro palestinian and by overflowing and the whole mood is that blairism will be resurrected ok martin marcus marcus to to what degree is it you said pro palestinian factor that means he's not a strong supporter of israel and its policies in the region i presume i suppose that's the cudgel that the his opposition wants to use against him because that's the same kind of orthodoxy you have in washington d.c. . yes absolutely jeremy corbyn you know ever since he was elected as an m.p. in one thousand nine hundred eighty three has highlights the points of the

palestinian people he has helped suit expose that terrible crimes committed by successive israeli governments against palestinian men women and children he is not and see israel he's not concede israeli people he doesn't hate any people in this vote but he wants the palestinians to have an independent states and that reason is a major reason as to why the blairites in the party in the labor party conspiring with british mainstream nature so to sort of as i said to resurrect new labor resurrects blairism and to try and get some of what chuck ramona is replacing as leader of the labor party. again that the similarities between washington and london are are quite remarkable but then it and then again it is all part and parcel of the entire atlantico world or washington consensus as it were actually

this on a whole union already but all interventionists that we talked about in the first part of the program it doesn't like jewish people more than any other people or look i mean in ukraine. which is in power now traces its origins to step on bond there are and to several ukrainian not this who van hundred percent destroyed hundreds of thousands of jewels and poles. and russians well you can you can get full information about it in yad vashem you know the museum of holocaust in israel the israeli government has had has raised this problem with the ukrainian regime but the united states say they still didn't like it do you think you said this is a problem see just to the way that they formulated you know it it's like a. irritant instead of demonstrating to western publics that this is a regime that supports the most heinous idea and i like the idea of marcos you know

going back to the campaign against the serbs i remember how all of their western media called serbs in the one thousand ninety s. cancer in the middle of europe and let me let me remind viewers the serbs software together with the jews all that that are true of the former yugoslavia when the germans had yugoslavia the two groups that suffered most in terms of maybe mistaken but i think i think the serbs had the worst casualty rate of all percentage wise of the popular and i think it's i think it is very close to that terrible first sound of the ok everybody to avoid them going to go back tomorrow i would say by the way i mean i mean this is just a huge book creasy when they say that we defend jewish people they give they ideological allies when you have jewels opposing their globalism opposing their outre neighbor and so suddenly these jewels become rank extremists you know

populists whatever and only the joules who support their the war against iraq who supported. that message from the markets i want to shift gears here. trump's new budget is going to be coming out and one of the things that we hear is that he has an interesting formula he wants to charge five hundred six hundred percent on countries that are hosting american troops and and when i'm thinking right now of japan and germany the interesting thing is is that do these people that live in the first two countries do they like hosting american troops and do they think they want to pay even more i mean it's quite remarkable here it sounds like a rocket to me it's more of a threat not a form of protection markets in london. well of course the ordinary german who like the ordinary japanese person actually does not want to see american bases on their respective territories however the german and the staff at the german and japanese

establishment have a very different situations transformed coming budgets trust so much so for trump put in the american people trust because this budget which is going to drastically increase defense spending will be at the cost of postal spent in america so you want to expose as a complete ceasars america's claim that it intervenes in the affairs or internal in the internal affairs of independent countries and what's the greens human rights to the population and you know it's brink asperity so the population that because if the american government sincerely ted about human rights will cost parity then why doesn't it tackle the end no less social injustice in america forty million americans live in poverty fifteen million american children if a policy twenty eight million americans do not have medical insurance markets

markets all i can say is all i can say to that is that addressing those issues wouldn't make the military industrial complex great again here we're rapidly running out of time here demilitarize to turn quickly to a venezuela. power outages here and marco rubio is the mean quid seemingly quite happy about it that the lights went out and he sounded like he was bragging you know when i read the news in their american media of all this blackout even if it sounded like you know remember remember that paul green in rwanda which was supposedly had by the terrible russian hackers basically a later they story was unmasked as a complete fraud you know even. that fi show us authority if acknowledged that there was no russian taken or they're on the ball great in her mind but what happened in vegas well it sounded exactly like what a missile russian then other states would have liked to see had been in the united

states to blame russia but now i think the suspicion is much much greater that this is the real blair called the poll agreed was a raving hack and i guess we know we country is interested in destabilizing well everywhere and i'm going to marcus in london i mean if you look at marco rubio the senator from florida when he was smirking about it i mean he's really happy that the the average person in venezuela is suffering for a regime change that was hatched in washington or with the lima group there are they can't canadians are in on the out here i mean the gleeful this of the elites is just appalling what they're enjoying punishing people go ahead in london yes i'm quite aware of some of the tweets from marco rubio and i have to say that i find them dreamily disconcerts and it surely distressing because they have taken the light at electricity cuts in venezuela which of course as we all know could affect

all of that so i'm also aware of marco rubio's tweets or in previous leads it's a law it's and then decades finally kills that would says that's. about the mindset the mentality the mens who handles all politicians in america a lot marco rubio i'm not a psychologist i'm not a psychologist i will leave it's across the experience to decide what i can say this i don't think you have to have a degree in psychology psychiatry psystar to suspect that there is something very very troubling in the minds of all it's issues like marco rubio when they take the lights in photos of dates he well you know said i but i'm. either a psychologist either or a psychiatrist but i would say this is the mentality of empire game of finish it afterwards well i guess i know the way forward to avoid you just mr

trump has just voiced it in his new plan if you pay the full price and fifty percent premium for the privilege of hosting these troops you will be completely safe but if you don't if you don't then you'll have a problem so it sounds like very much to a great good to me you know if you pay for our troops on your territory not only you won't be attacked by the mean thing you won't be attacked by us because actually tell me one example western country been at there by outside powers in the last fifty years never happened but how many countries where victims of attacks by the west are no hold here we've run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember.

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further debate and division brought across europe over the fate of children of islamic state fighters as the baby of a nice old bride dies in a syrian refugee camp after the woman's u.k. citizenship was revoked. which is citizen the baby who died and i'm darned because all the government didn't do anything to bring that child back to the u.k. on sunday just they did the right thing he put the safety of this country first and foremost. human rights watch accuses a rocky and kurdish authorities of torturing youngsters suspected of having links to islamic state.