as you mentioned there will form a big part of that that's we've got time for for now thanks both for coming on that was expelled student on care worker felix and go away and keith best former chief executive of the immigration advisory service thanks both today for your time. thank you thank you. as the headlines for this hour from the team and myself thanks for staying tuned and r.t. international back in thirty minutes with more global headlines. time after time so we're going on the ground as u.k. politicians prepared to vote on britain leaving the european union in just over two weeks with no deal coming up of the show thirteen years since india gave the u.s. a scrutiny of its nuclear weapons program will there be war with pakistan we speak

to india's former minister of law and justice so for money and swung the m.p. who represents pradesh the most populous country subdivision in the world banned could a climate change state of emergency be declared jeremy cauldrons labor gets into power we ask a member of the party's international development toss force dr jason. plus socialism and the saxophone with award winning musicians a way to kinch all the more going up in today's going underground first tomorrow marks the thirtieth anniversary of an innovation that may be remembered in ten thousand years time the world wide web invented by british scientist him berners lee government funded before four billion were connected there was this number of hits on this machine it started off as a day and a year later it was a thousand and then a year later ten thousand but arguably most crucial to the world wide web was the absence of privatized entrepreneurial capitalists with intellectual property rights

in one thousand nine hundred three cern management decided that the web should act as a new pin that for all to use that was an extension decision. so the web we have if we had not. had that document concern we would not have where but decades of public sector taxpayer money spent on communications infrastructure let alone centuries of publicly funded intellect which would be arguably hijacked by a handful of entrepreneurs who founded companies like amazon post office is losing billions of dollars and the taxpayers are paying for that money because it delivers packages for amazon at a very below cost or companies like google the european union has hit google with a record fine equal to five billion dollars thank you says google violated antitrust laws north of the e.u. which funded the creation of the internet now has any real power to ban google or

for that matter the powerful information vacuum cleaner facebook facebook is an idealistic and optimistic company for most of our existence we focused on all the good that connecting people can do but could all the bad events connecting people can do the nuclear holocaust no recent example of how an information war can threaten the planet arguably compares to the simmering conflict between two former british nuclear armed colonies pakistan and india the facts are still not even entirely clear well joining me now via skype from chennai is money and swami an indian m.p. representing or pradesh in india is a former minister of law and justice so everybody and welcome to going on to go let's just start with the same question we asked the pakistani high commissioner here in london would you rule out the support of the use of nuclear weapons against . yes it is a good guess and there are going to be here we go there's the control systems on. is not in doubt and you know. again i suppose what i what i mean though is would

india use nuclear weapons against bug is the. first use and really not. ok well he told us commissioner that india. all the recent problems and india refused any proper investigations into jaish e mohammed and the terrorist attack on india and that's where everything started just oh that's so. fascinating meeting and allegations against india but it is a shame on what. is now all i think the end of the final status and united nations on declaring them as a terrorist organization and the haters and dennis so it's not me i don't read it as well of course years of our generation went and they don't have to read about standard underlay and indians to give them information but you don't recognise that india violated international law by invading pakistani territory with its warplanes

. the united nations makes it right there that instead of defense you're going to do many things including writing the borders of other countries and there was a horrible who'd incident where twenty four of our troops the better literally killed and we have to tally it because it came from a good look at which we had information on and it is that gap of yours in the box than it did to bond but do you think that you up the stakes as it were when you tweeted that if the pakistanis are in suicide mode india should graciously assist in them going to hell. why that's not part of the government. facilities to speak in hyperbolic terms and i did. i said that they are of course it is after matter that bugs than has been periodically messages are sent in one as

far as india and sends no match for india and down fortunately this is something which they are doing to exact same biologically and therefore they're gonna be meeting books by this time of britain to do let's not forget that and it's not really a country it was never before going to the british are the ones who created this country and they're not able to get their provinces together sort of moved out of the this i was to say that and more we should assist them to disintegrate. well i'm sure the commissioner would deny that but say probably also deny some allegations about i.s.i. do you still believe that pakistan's i.s.i. is involved in al qaeda or taliban activity in afghanistan which is being debated at the u.n. eight years now since the killing of osama bin laden the in pakistan by u.s. troops. one and decide is his backside saved by never

going against american interests of the americans want to get osama bin laden they're already dead they did but the fact of the matter is that almost all of the disorganization and box fans are in. that any idea to the i.s.i. has a lot of activities to assist heirloom finance them as it did and you know the fullest possible and center and that is being documented in the united nations itself and that and one of the changes dealers and there are blasts going there some don't express and that is one of the understanding of invasions of the globe is a telescope musician by the un in two thousand and seven and that down there i use activities and been totally documented. but can you not see that as india and pakistan may close the ties with say china and the brics nations it being india of course it suits some people that india and pakistan should have such enmity and cause such violence there on the line of control we partitioned our country so that

the people about as than want to do it will be happy that they are a country in the record but they seem to be just a obsessed it or india and they're jealous of me a part of it india has makes and india the chinese they maybe their friends at the moment but of their tool in private conversations with me express their it shocked at the fact that trainer terrorists from pakistan come to will see john and a lot of problems so i don't think it's found as can go underneath until in the end because everybody seems to be dissatisfied of them at one level now the. yeah but it's not going to stop the central plot pakistan plays in chinese plans for development just part of it's a built in road initiative surely. but i think the chinese that i'm not putting on taxes now since nine hundred seventy seven. i have been many times i was received

by those who are being and that anybody knows that i've done a lot of things for the indian government themselves but i don't say that the chinese. are not going to do that magic into you and it is all over foolishness presently sources or do. you see this continuous rhetoric against pakistan and i mean when they run accuse the pakistan. or these terrorist groups in pakistan of killing twenty seven iranian revolutionary guard corps they came to a sort of agreement about maybe a wall why couldn't india come to the kind of agreement with pakistan that iran did that ought to be even to five thousand all of them are going to be broken now no doubt for. batters on the battlefield with the troops of forty seven one hundred forty seven and sixty five thousand in land in sixty five and one hundred seventy one and one hundred ninety nine and then are there because i need just don't

improve they just wanted they lose all their loss of all these are documented so. that is don't understand that there are no match for us and in military sense but still wondering this is a matter of perception i think or is the obsession. and your obsession with islam i mean would you tweeted that of any of india's seventeen hundred seventy two million muslims glorified islamic india they should be declared aliens and being honest about having but whether you demolish the taj mahal or whether or. other issues like that i mean. that is the problem here no no honestly i would not probably have i think if you are going to india to go around to show you then i was out of this kind of phobia in fact to be considered is the muslims in india as well was and insists as i had in those because that's that there did in our d.n.a.

is the same it has been scientifically proved and documented in the search of least in the journal of genetics of cambridge of houston and in india and i saw that it was so all i needed out of our family the only thing is that we wanted them to be focused in said india and not to be bullied or pushed around by hard line elements from marx and they don't think that given that world economic funds are looking to east asia for economic growth i mean is it wise to say things like that the carbon mecca should be a hindu temple if the muslims rebuild the their mosque on the site of the idea massacre where it should be said two thousand were killed in nine hundred ninety two. what i said to that is ridiculous as saying that i didn't say we must do it it is our lucy this sort of media tends to distort and you must have the second and it will lead to marriage and i said that this would be as ridiculous as saying that

there was a visionary leadership temple and the end of it is thought well which is what here said it are talking only about revisited it was talking about other temples in india and therefore a hundred light same day and that is this is ridiculous but the higher the certainly don't waste our energies or sources and dining to try and change the new nature of that and that's all and yet as speaking of mecca of course you are fine with wahhabi islam i mean you know you've been encouraging saudi investment and saudi the eels. that kind of islam is is the one that you favor as a possible plot that rather than you know be more moderate islam in pakistan you know if it were that but you think my having relations with them would be my

moderate it that it's a hope maybe it's a false hope. that saudi arabia has problems it has it is facing terrorism the terrorism of their home and we have got two million indian workers there. therefore we we think that by having relations and that we might be moderate about how it isn't and i don't know us because obviously brics it is the big issue here at the top pradesh has a population of two hundred million people any british officials come to see you yet about the trade deal with the u.k. . leave it of course on the twenty ninth of this month. i don't think it should be should return to see me because you know a lot in this anything new british style of seventy one trillion dollars from india or the hundred fifty years they were here so there most of the british are probably away but they do to. goodness too small an entry for us to take it seriously

meeting. of the russian and russia china these other countries which need to be we need to develop better relations britain is not a magic for us of any seriousness and there is a military factor which is also here will be shocked any further and do have. to remind us why thank you after the break from jeremy corbin's labor international development task force dr jason pickel on his solution for global inequality and breaking free with a way to kids who after playing buckingham palace is now using his saxophone to support mark what's what. the civil rights fights every expelled by jeremy colvin's the labor party all the civil coming up to have going on the ground.

there was no need now did you train. labor there was an environmental standards in the original nafta the five years ago those were good. because relations were more purely economic but now the relation is very very close intertwined so i think it's ok to have a new treaty and you negotiation. welcome back one thing the world wide web celebrating thirty years to more it was supposed to do was to make the world a more equal place but in fact if you ignore the success of communist china there has been good will change sixty percent maybe a still in poverty so what is the solution joining me now is dr jason huichol anthropologist and author of the divide a brief guide to global inequality and solutions he sits on the labor party's international development task force thanks so much as of coming on set to morrow e.u. finance ministers are meeting in brussels china's congress is meeting in beijing in the u.s. talk of war of it as well but there is some george alexander which is

a green deal your latest piece is about growth what is wrong with growth so the argument i'm making not to simply that's it's you know the green the green new deal idea is fantastic and we all absolutely must get behind it but it was one potential flaw and that's that it doesn't address the problem of growing energy demands and so effectively we have to have to reach not zero emissions by the middle of the century on our present growth rate trajectory in terms of growing global g.d.p. and so on we're going to expand the size of the global economy by about three times in that same period which means almost three times more energy demands which makes our task of such an average renewable energy three times more difficult than it needs to be and for the argument i make is that we need to actually scale down. global energy demands and the best way to do that is to scale down the material throughput of the economy so basically rich nations like the u.k. and the u.s. need to consume less stuff in aggregate there are a whole bunch of initiatives that you recommend you see a complete ban on corporate built in obsolescence and the right to repair and the

idea for any business is to increase turnover of your products so if you make long lasting products that you know people use for their entire lifetimes of course that's a horrible business model right and so if you're under pressure to grow as a company you're not going to think much about long lasting products but we can we can create laws that will ensure that businesses do think about long term long lasting products by legislating for you know mandatory. extended warranties on things like washing machines refrigerators and so on so they can be easily repaired by the provider in the first place and so that's the idea to sort of make it possible for us to live in an economy that doesn't need so much material throughput ok a lot has been written about private ties ation of public space in this piece you're saying that there's a corruption of the public space by the big tax dodging multinationals in terms of advertising why is advertising important so this relates to the question of reducing our material consumption. so advertising puts us under extraordinary

psychological pressure to consume things that we don't need or even really want. of course this is another strategy to ensure that turnover increases and material throughput continues to rise and again the proposals that i make for reducing material consumption needn't have any negative effects on our standards of living this is just about consuming less unnecessary stuff this is just about having products that are more robust last longer that we're happier with for a longer period of time and so on so this is not radical demands then when you were advising labor when you were on this task force would you be saying that a call been government should as one of its first acts be to declare a climate emergency. so the idea of image yeah so the idea of a climate emergency parliament should declare has come from caroline lucas the leader of the green party and i absolutely back her one hundred percent i think it's a fantastic idea the idea behind it would be to create the legislative contacts necessary for us to push through the things we need for a green new deal we have to we have to cut the ucas emissions to zero by twenty

forty five that's an extremely dramatic trajectory we need all hands on deck for this i mean this is not fiddling around the edges of our system this is trying to invent a different kind of economy that's not energy and the missions intensive even the in this book the divide you make it clear that inequality is particularly important and you're saying that there hasn't been the kind of progress that some bragging about say bill gates founder of microsoft. do you think that philanthropy is still being talked about as a idea to get rid of inequality i think the idea of using philanthropy and charity as a way of addressing poverty inequality is is deeply problematic actually because. you know what it fails to address is the structural structural components of the world economy that produce inequality and poverty in the first place and so you know we know that right now the global one percent capture an extraordinarily

disproportionate share of global income as a result of the way the rules of the economy are structured charities you know the philanthropic approach that bill gates as adopted for example doesn't address any of those fundamentally the most fundamental imbalances in political economy and that's really what we need poverty is declining ninety four percent is eighteen twenty to ten percent yeah it's a very very powerful narita it's rubbish i do think it's rubbish and sure death so the merits of the bill gets users to say that we've had this dramatic reduction of poverty is based on an extremely low poverty line of a dollar ninety per day right i mean imagine trying to live on that i mean it's virtually impossible even in the even the poorest countries to live a decent life on that so if we really. you know if we use the best scientific evidence that we have and look outs and measure poverty by about seven dollars a day for example we see that a significantly greater proportion of the world's population is in poverty and we're talking about about sixty percent of the world's population is in poverty according to the very robust research led definitions then to resume and the

british government says repeatedly to jeremy corbyn over the dispatch books one million fewer people are in absolute poverty a record low under this government the key question is how you met you know where you saw the poverty line and how you measure what absolute poverty is and that and the problem here is that there is significant fudging of the definition right because think about it if you push the poverty line lower it makes it seem as though there are fewer people in poverty and that's effectively what has happened with the with the world bank moving towards its extremely low poverty line and not adjusting it probably even when it's like a security oh i mean it's an insult to humanity to suggest that people who are living on two dollars a day are not in poverty and so the you know the very minimal gains in income that the global poor have achieved over the past couple of decades don't come anywhere close to bring them out of poverty and that's again why we see you know four point two billion people in poverty today you said that if you take out the figures from the communist party in beijing for china the whole figures for improvement on

inequality. really disturbing you also make the claim that a tax on the one percent could leave them with an average of one hundred thirty five thousand dollars a year and all global poverty how do you arrive at that. given that the global one percent have such an extraordinarily disproportionate share of global income every year. you know they capture about eighteen point seven trillion u.s. dollars per year and come together so even just taxing them at a modest progressive rates would be enough to end the global poverty at seven dollars and forty cents per day now obviously when as long been interested in these kinds of ideas you've compared to the news against. the kinds of things you were saying about about policies in terms of corbin and alexander says to the nine hundred fifty three cia six who in iran if you read the history of the cia backed coup in iran in one thousand fifty three. their strategy

was simply to buy off newspapers put journalist journalist on the payroll and then start pumping up propaganda. against the presidents who was a progressive president pro por he wanted to nationalize the oil and use it for benefit in his own country right he was a progressive the same tactics are being used against progressive candidates here in the us in the u.k. and in the us right i mean with media monopoly is making strong attacks against people like corbin against people like i.o.c. stimulating this mass hysteria against them it's almost like we're living in a kind of state of permanent coup it's the same tactics used in the coup against iran. thank you thanks very much. well for me. to jeremy corbyn a new song by would winning artist and we don't kid the mainstream media's role in attacks on left wing politicians attempts to divide the public he joins me now so wait oh thanks for coming i'm going underground great to see you i know you see the play going to play us out with free but what about the fact that you're playing with that had he seen mate mark wordsworth who's been on the show i have to say

kicked out of the labor party well it might surprise you to know that my attraction to play the event wasn't being a rabbit in to see what self. impressed by it and he raised his credentials and i hope that there's more of a spirit of curiosity that would ask people why on earth would play an event like that i think has been a lot of attempts to close down discussion and close down dialogue and i think this is an important step perhaps in terms of shining a light on it the problem that we have now is the off the labor membership for example look at a group of. people who support people of multiple was well thought jackie walker was you know cracks or conspiracy theorists and the other half has been sort of fair weather socialists and socialists who don't put their money where their mouth is so i think it's an important time for us to shine some light on exactly what all these processes are as they say sunlight's the best disinfectant what about in the song you talk about the integrity being in short supply unless it's foreign officer was in supporting finance presumedly foreign office not disinfecting things yes

well again it's just hard to know with so much countervailing information and a lack of clarity as to what the role of the foreign office has been or hasn't been in the integrity initiative i think is just an ordinary member of the public this is an alleged conspiracy of the media in think tanks precisely we don't know what's been the role of the russian government what's been the role of our own government and most importantly the implication that there's been attempts to smear the leader of the majesty's opposition that should raise eyebrows everywhere so i'm just curious and perhaps again the end game isn't so much smearing one individual or a couple it's dividing the membership i think if there's anyone who should suffer the ire of the mainstream media is probably ed miliband for allowing a bunch of three pound members like me to get interested in politics and to start taking an interest in where this all goes as it's called when they go you're interested well yeah absolutely and it's certainly the idea that we could influence

policy the idea that you could stand up in the house of commons and ask a question on behalf of jane the nurse from dobby or something you know that idea i think is the most incendiary and revolutionary of all so weighed against thank you thank you well you can see the way to perform along with expelled labor party member mark words with on the twentieth of april at the premises studios in shortage in london and now is a new song breaking free the e.p. is out in june will be back on wednesday sixteen days until break that another potentially another defeat for theresa may in the u.k. parliament here so we don't know when today. from. phantom.

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