foreign correspondent of the figaro in london we have george galloway he is a broadcaster a writer and a former member of parliament and also in london we have alan skip he is a professor emeritus of international history at the london school of economics where i generally cross talk rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate george let me go to you first here we've had. two very disastrous votes for teressa mace plan. there's been a move that there there will be no exit without a deal the deal is supposed to be voted on again like the two first votes it doesn't appear that that's going to move forward and you have the european commission basically saying that's the deal you negotiated with there's a little wiggle room maybe for invoking article fifty but not much more than that they've pretty much put up by a stone wall here where do we go from this because like i said in my introduction one a cynic and i certainly am. saying this was planned all along go ahead george. i

don't think saw of course the conspiracy theorist would be hard pushed to come up with a conspiracy which had one just as perfectly as this one as it happens because i know the people involved personally i think it's more a cock up a series of blunders and in other courses that have led us to this particular pass but in a way it doesn't matter whether it was intended or whether it's a series of accidents the british parliament has betrayed the british people with grave consequences for british democracy because more people voted for bricks it than have ever voted in britain's history for anything or anybody are not going to get it and they're not going to get it because of the actions of just six hundred fifty people indeed in the recent vote just four people four people made the decision not to keep no deal on the table and if you don't have no deal on the

table you have no possibility of a negotiated settlement as any negotiator in even the simplest house knows if you as you the right the determination to walk away if the price isn't right and if the deal isn't right then you're more or less handing to your interlocutor the power of life and death over your you know yeah but alan e. where where do we go from here because when i said in my introduction there is no majority in the house to go in one direction or another i mean this is the ultimate stalemate but the clock is ticking and as i pointed out the european union is basically saying we're looking at our watch what are you guys going to do go ahead alan. well i agree very much as what george galloway said the elite and parliament has betrayed the will of the british people i think what's going to happen is that mayor will try for a third time to get dreadful agreement pos in the house of commons if it is pos

then of course we leave with that agreement and we leave quite a. if it's not passed then confusion reigns i think she would have to have a general election i think the government's a shambles if it looks and let me know and but i want to end it but a general election won't solve the dilemma will it it'll just be a different person there go ahead alan well my notes hold the dilemma but it will get rid of a lot of people and paul that with the new independent group would probably disappear labor i think would be would suffer enormously i think the be a purge inside the tory party before the election and there would be a different house of commons and. they're off of course we still have the dial emma if if the deal hasn't been agreed then i don't know the new house of commons might have no deal but as it stands at present you're right that this new obvious way

forward but i think a general election like help police to clear things up ok now let me go to you in paris i mean as they are on the continent yourself looking at all of this going on here. what does what is the perspective of the you you hear i mean they have a deal they've made it very clear for weeks and weeks and weeks now that a deal is a deal to resume keeps flying over trying to make you guys budge but you're not so i mean it's is it seems to me that you know she doesn't have much of a learning curve and is to resume a good negotiating partner when it comes to this whole dreadful process go ahead in paris. i mean in the continent in paris it shows us three things first thing is that. david cameron made a mistake the up to go to a referral for internal affairs for the conservative party because actually you

know british democracy is based on the house of commons for the last i don't know eight nine center is there sure a lot could go into these kind of latin instrument which is a refer to the no no no no it's not really a mess and hang on hang on alan hang on to me if i lament in this farce the second thing if i can keep going what do we think of the continent the. the second thing is that. there was a deal agreed i mean you cannot negotiate between the very difficult to dig between one country and twenty seven country so michelle money was given a mandate by the twenty seven but the twenty seven are not going to change their minds all the time it's too difficult it's a technical question so. and after all it is about britain to adopt they decided to draw in european union after refusing to join

it join the common market in fifty seven general de gaulle that warns them twice that they should not and could not enter the world of the spirit of the interests they still want to entered and then they made a lot of problems through the european union so. you know the you have to you have to understand that the european countries from the continent quite upset and quite tired of this false and they want just you know you want to leave or not i mean they want to feel they cannot spend. dollars in this kind of i guess. i get your point here let me alan you want to jump in here but i'm not and so i hang on hang on here i knew this was going to happen yeah that could i just wanted to say so when we heard or sang out we heard

a point when we heard in the british house a lot of promise for the e.u. but the lot of the british voters it was the e.u. that was a problem i just correct you i can i just i know your question of. now let's go alan go can i just say on the question of referendums that. people should not trust them just to get on with their own significantly constitutional questions like scottish. and the election of them for london we now have an established tradition that parliament and. the population to decide these issues and referendum and we abide by the results i know the fed should a referendum in two thousand and five on the constitutional treaty they voted it down and then the french government paid no attention to it and the lisbon treaty which was the same thing was ran through the fed paul them and i do think we need lessons and referendums from the french but many cases we have a tradition of abiding by referendums which are not part of our constitution we had

a referendum the people voted to get it and the people's you must be respected otherwise will be a popular backlash joe in georgia i mean the elites failed not the people go ahead george we don't want to give you a lesson so good on three of you go listen our problem is on how do you know so if we were just a country it is if it is part of doma sure don't miss your let someone here in london talk we have been a neck if you think that the british democracy with this part. of it with you we don't think it works very well for the. secret was a ranking we don't i recognise george galloway george galloway go ahead. with a net contributor for forty five years so we've been paying more into the e.u. done we ever got back second and you would never. suspect it from the

french but. not sure because we've got or you're running your big friend. go to check back by didn't show you that shows shows what you know that shows what you're going to get back into the union treaty you're losing on your blow yes he got this these he brought back. the hate the e.u. they hate the austerity they hate the european central bank the reason you can't have referendums on this in. most of the european union countries is because they would vote to leave also it is completely absurd this false dichotomy between latin a nod to democracy democracy is democracy is democracy we were asked and we were told it would be binding do you want to leave we've hurted to leave leave we must and the more we hear of that kind of drivel the more certain i am the more people

in britain today would vote to leave than did in twenty six can you and i we have a minute before we go to the break let's go back to paris please react. yes it's a pity that you you see britain when they join a club they have to make your refund. every generation because remember that after joining. you know he's government joining and then there is a labor government government coming to london and they said oh maybe we have to do a reset on them though they made a referral and i'm and if i recall well but mr galloway will come to my help i guess two thirds of the british population had approved to join this club though they knew very well the rules of the club you know they had plenty. of the rules of the club that was the cause and. twice during the course. said well that your monologue and then and then then yes and then the approved because you cannot

move europe with all right out. of i have been here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break here then we'll continue our discussion on briggs at stake with r.t. . come on. the thing aquatic or ask. for. nothing now so i think i want to. think so because a couple of they might make you show. me. a

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really. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line and big get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to press. the to the right to be close this is what i'm up for three in the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters of my college. first sit. you are.

welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing rags it. ok let's go back to allan in london it seems to me that the for the political elites in both political parties in the u.k. the major parties have failed they had a two year deadline to get this done and it has been incompetence after incompetence after incompetence and and that's why i started out i mean you one has to wonder if this was intentional because you have a prime minister that is a remainer negotiating the exit i mean again that's comical on its face all right

but you know if if alan if one thing i see from the european position and because i look at what's going on in the populous movements in europe and the collapse of the center for the most part of this entire european union project here is brussels behavior and disposition to the u.k. during this process actually also a signal to all other members of the european union to stay in line because if you want to get out we're going to give you hell and watch what we're doing to the u.k. alan go ahead. yeah i think that's true martin selma who's now heading the european euro chrissy's made it perfectly the brussels that britain has to pay a price he thinks surrendering on london should be the price but it's quite clear the populous discontent in europe is growing and growing mr mack called when he was last in britain was asked on television if the french were given

a referendum what the result would be and he said they would vote to leave but then he added of course i'm not going to give them a referendum the french had a referendum on the maastricht treaty which illness and when the people think it was rigged it was close and then they had won in the constitutional treaty which they voted against me in the french of distribution of having referendums as well because on the great issues of the day when you're voting on your national future and who makes the laws and who decides that is such a fundamental choice that it has to go back to the people it went back to the people here and the result astonished not only the elites in the british political parties but this stone age the elites in europe who had been assured by david cameron that he would he would win. the people voted there that the european union is unpopular among a large large a majority of the british people they want it and they want a clear break and the question is for you if this is a lived without

a price being paid how many other members of your failing union pin union would follow because you are because a disaster not economically the european currency system isn't working it's led to the crushing of the greek economy and recessions in southern europe unemployment in the e.u. is twice as high in the rest of the and years and is twice as high as in britain use unemployment in southern europe it's twenty to forty percent you're getting. two to three hundred thousand young europeans coming to britain voting with their feet to get eyes to the euro zone every year to come and get jobs in london or in britain if we had the situation with one hundred to three hundred thousand young brits were having to go to europe to the euro zone to find work because we had high and massive unemployment then i would say there was

a case this thing in the e.u. but the e.u. economy is failing the eurozone is probably going to another crisis a new player very quickly and yet these people in britain can understand why on a rational basis people would want to get out ok all right i mean let me go to georgia and keep going with this here george i over the last few months have been extremely harsh on to resume and her parts of her tory party but i want to be fair here more balanced here how is labor behaved through all of this have they acquitted themselves with on or indignity because you know they're just recently talking of a second to referendum which to me again is a slap in the face to democracy i mean democracy means democracy doesn't it one a vote outcome should count shouldn't it so so evaluate labor's behavior during all of this. well up until comparatively recently i would have said the labor leader jeremy corbin whom i've known for forty years. blind are in terms of parliamentary

tactics he had maneuvered the government into a position where it began and is now excel or it almost to fall apart but labor put the mark of cain upon their own head when the announced quite recently in the last few weeks that they would support the so-called people's bought the for support didn't involve people as if it was you know donkey's horses and sheep that had voted the first time and when it did the allowed people to the right to brand them as the anti bricks us party as the anti bricks it maneuver us conspiring an unprincipled way and saw we now have basically two labor parties and two conservative yachties trucked inside a single first past the post electoral system and i don't believe it will survive

this crisis referendum changes the political part of diamond countries and it will change this one in a very profound way even the losers of referendums never accept the result really here we've got the win the arse of our effort. now literally cheated in front of their eyes by a privileged elite group of parliamentarians that can not withstand the kind of blizzard that's coming their way ok we know back to you in paris i mean. there's a quite a bit of animosity there in the british isles and in continental europe on this program so why don't don't you might why don't you have the attitude good riddance and good by ok i mean if britain is such a nuisance to the e.u. then good riddance i mean does it have to be nasty go ahead in paris. no it does not to be nasty i'm in still the thank for for

britain for its role during the second world war will never forget that great britain churchill welcomed charles de gaulle in london. and we'll never forget that britain. campaigned for us to get a seat a permanent seat in the security council of un we have a defense agreement with britain which is called lancaster house because the defense. of defense of course will never work so we have this agreement which is very strong and we are very close to the british and when the british had problems with the argentinians in eighty two the americans drop to the british but the french went to help them so we are very close to the british and we want to do is to clothe their very good friends it's very it's for me it's a quite

a pity to see a country destroying itself but after all it's up to the people why yes it is doing this because you know for me the whole policy of britain for the last three sent to raise was two things keep a foot on the continent to remember that it was important for them to be parked and to be important in the congress of eight hundred fifteen to keep always. a foot on the continent and the second. pillar of british policy was keep. british islands united in one nine they have sabotaged they have destroyed all this policy because they will not keep. a foot in the continent good chance with the relationship with america. only and then they they will destroy the unity of the british islands because i think that the scottish people want to

remain in europe so it's very pretty because we have a lot of respect for this great country which is great britain but we will always be friends we just do not understand me ok well i do not win the war and i wish another side of my wings of the david cabdriver words british prime minister after lord north well i think the competition for the worst prime minister is you know you could spend a lot of time on because there's a lot of candidates recently ok. could i you know i also i just want to finish off in paris where i mean you do have a nato footprint ok in europe so i wouldn't be so worried about not being in europe you're there and go ahead. could i just say that if you british history is quite flawed the great british injuries are uniform i think if it was a dramatic silly thing great you know now i've got to ask and to alan alan the great british to do should form policy was actually to remain independent and to

make sure that continental europe was never united that on the the spanish the hapsburgs the poleon the colonies of a hitler and we stayed we didn't have the food stuff and in britain we were in europe we stayed outside and europe and getting into the european union was quite against the whole british foreign policy tradition and i was going to correct that i hope by getting it. i think the british point of view is that europe works best as a collection of friendly slightly competitive nation states who take from each other the best practice commercially intellectually philosophically with their common the market the common market was the goal but ways that golden age of growth after the second world war was the cause. yeah. but did nothing and nothing to do with the you that's what i ruined my point that's my point exactly my point is when in fact

if you look at growth patterns since the unification of the e.u. it's slowed down dramatically and yet it's a move and it's already marked and its trademark is austerity that's its trademark yell the more that you know the more the european union integrates the slower its economy becomes. and now it's the sort of slow it's growing part of that ok what i want to give george i want to give george the last word forty five seconds my friend finish and i did you know advice can you. give. her a way to go and visit poland go and visit in poland just a little advice go and visit poland both of you. because i lived there for ten years. love you think george tenet your version of the other small thing not far from moscow. twenty second short we could tour we could tour but he was of young unemployed right across southern

europe we could we could make a trip to the smoking ruin of the greek economy we could go to italy we could tour of the heart is wrong and we will find that the european union has less support inside europe than it has ever had and the reason is that it ceased to be a comedy right on that began i know you aren't. going to tell me i'm sure sheldon many thanks to my guests in london and in paris and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember rostock rules. the infinite has no bill for security so we have to take it to a different level and we have to take the new value that is five g.

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