a president who defies convention let's start there with the leap wryness former deputy assistant secretary of state and former senior advisor and spokes person to hillary clinton he recently wrote a new york times op ed why impeaching trump is worth it people say that the one nine hundred ninety eight impeachment of bill clinton hurt republicans but didn't really he joins me now from washington d.c. felipe thank you so much it's great to have you thank you. so let's start as we always do with president trump and his public commentary and tweets on wednesday president trump called for the moeller report to be made public what's your reaction to that. you know who knows what's going on in his head i think sometimes he's trying to maybe out game himself which is a little you know ugly to watch but you know what take it for what it is if he wants the mold report to be public he has that authority to order it be made public so i think maybe you think it's

a good idea that we just saw the house vote almost unanimously that yes the american public well how is the house well him up with you know the house vote was you know this is four hundred twenty two to zero which is absolutely remarkable i mean the house can't even vote four hundred twenty two to zero that it's you know sunday let alone either this agreement and it was only stopped by one person in the senate lindsey graham i think it's important to see it look i think i don't know what's going to be in the report you don't know as the report i don't think donald trump knows of the report but i can tell you right now that this is what's going to happen the report hits one hundred percent of america is going to be pissed off and disappointed because it is not wise not to be because it's not going to be what anyone thinks it is if you think that it is this magic solution that donald trump will be hauled off and cuffs that's not going to happen if you believe that this is a witch hunt and there's nothing here and it's going to say donald trump has been mistaken and falsely accused that's not going to happen either it's going to make

things probably worse rather than better because people are going to lose if you want to call it hope or false belief or just genuine belief that the system is going to work itself out is obviously a very complicated situation and it's not going to so hopefully it sounds like you are kind of lowering expectations for everyone when there's been a almost two year drumbeat from your side of the aisle that there has been collusion that investigation has found collusion but now maybe we're pulling back on that maybe democrats are saying hold on you're not going to. the smoking gun the bombshell report you've been hoping for for two years no absolutely not absolutely not i think what muller well i don't know what it's going to be but let's for assume for a moment that it's a narrative style or a port where it just lays out what happened in a factual manner with mint you know minimal commentary just tells us i think

someone like you who has worked in politics on capitol hill someone like me are going to read it and be appalled that people in public service acted this way now there's no need to lower expectations i think the problem the true problem of expectations is the right the right believes they thoroughly in their heart believe because of two years of donald trump and rudy giuliani and the whole gang saying that this is nothing but a witch hunt that they really believe there is absolutely nothing here that this is the most misunderstood man the most falsely accused that's not what happened things happened here that were not good and the problem is is that is a lot i am prepared to accept the moeller report or the mother findings whether they align with what i believe or want or not. the right is not prepared to do that there is no want to let me push back let me push back on that in terms of the sort of partisan analysis here a usa today poll just came out finding that fifty percent of the public thinks that

it was a witch hunt which leads me to your op ed and i'm surprised frankly it's not one hundred percent given how much time that he spends calling it a witch hunt now it will be a different scenario once there is someone on the other side who can say ok here are my findings in here why i have found what i did and here's what i think we should do that's going to be a much fairer fight and that's not going to result in half the country thinking it's a witch hunt ok so let's you know take it your analysis that the miller report is not going to have a bombshell a smoking gun hand grenade thrown you know straight into the trumpet ministration but you are it's not going to talk about leaving off and cops all right so you but you argue in the new york times that impeachment sort of the conventional wisdom that impeachment hurt republicans is false can you explain that because everybody says you've heard it i fear i've heard it that going down the appeasement tracks is going to you know run the democrats into a hard brick wall yeah look i was in my twenties during the clinton administration

and during ninety eight and whitewater and monica lewinsky and it was very simple the republicans tried to teach them that successfully had articles of impeachment it moved to the senate they tried to convict him they failed it was clear as day failure in an attempt to remove a president whether or not it was warranted whether or not you believe that those are high crimes and misdemeanors the task failed. the midterm elections in one thousand nine hundred eight which weren't immediately after the trial but they straddled when the impeachment proceedings on the whole began they ended up in the republicans losing five seats which time the republicans thought they might gain as many as thirty it cost newt gingrich's job it cost bob livingston the next president of speaker his job because of personal problems that came to light so if you fast forward to to election day two thousand and you say ok bill clinton is

more popular than ever. he's still president we lost seats this didn't go well in pietschmann was it boomeranged that is i don't i don't think anyone can take issue with that i don't think republicans take issue with that but is it are you arguing that the short term pain for republicans really didn't result in law but one of the nickel damage it's been twenty years and i think the point of my op ed was to say why are we repeating something that was true maybe eighteen years ago but not today because look at what happened on election day of two thousand it was a mess but thirty eight days forty days later we end up a situation where george bush was president a republican held the white house for two terms and two of the next three presidents won three of the next five elections including donald trump over hillary clinton the republicans held the congress until two thousand and six although when you and i were on the hill together it bounced back and forth on the senate side

a little bit but on the whole the republicans held both sides of congress until it was iraq that became a problem in two thousand and six when the republicans took congress back after obama care so suddenly horace ford has now right are you arguing that democrats impeaching donald trump now would similarly sort of just have minor short term consequences but nothing long lasting i think the republicans long term certainly did not suffer from one nine hundred ninety eight in any kind of a way that everyone's lesson should be never in humanity should someone be impeached impeachment was meant to be very very very rare very serious for literally high crimes and misdemeanors that were not defined but had a meaning in the day and allowed for political interpretation of the day what has happened though is that nine hundred ninety eight has basically neutered impeachment and if i'm a republican right now if i am donald trump right now and i am reading all this

debate about. well it'll hurt the democrats if they can't convict him we can't impeach if i see all this debate all this nonsense i'm going to send a thank you card to newt gingrich in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight biffle if you are a democrat right now so what is your advice to the democratic party should start impeachment proceedings i'm going to say this is someone who knows me well enough to know that i am not naive and we agree on and we can agree on that yes. i believe it is the right thing to do and there are times in life where the right thing to do should be what you do it's very simple do you believe that it is politically advantageous for democrats to start impeachment proceedings in the house i believe it should be done and if someone's next question is to me wolf we can't convict him then we're just going to get screwed politically my answer to them this is why do you think that because first off you're talking about two different things nine hundred ninety eight was about a land deal that became about

a personal lapse that i'm not going to judge one way or the other this is about a multi-year. conspiracy or multiple events and actions taken by dozens of people to work with or wiggly or otherwise with a foreign adversary these are not the same right away but wait a minute before before we go down you know that road let's talk about the foul ball my point is my point is he's a little holiday clothes he says it's a waste of time and that this would in a certain in a certain sense be the training the voters who in this last midterm put democrats in charge of the house over policy issues health care creating more jobs possibly even you know college debt loan forgiveness that impeachment she says would take democrats eyes off the ball i mean how is she wrong well she said that he's not worth it and i could not agree more donald trump is not worth it and maybe it's not who we are but it's where we are. if we don't impeach crimes such as these if we

allow a republican watch this is crazy talking about because you've just said we don't even know what mother is going to come up with and it might be disappointing to democrats who are looking for that's ok john let's make it simple if i ran the world if i were speaker and i was majority leader and i had sixty seven votes in the united states senate and what i did stood i wouldn't peach the man on multiple articles of impeachment relating to obstruction which he has done in full view the notion that just because we've all seen it means that it's not illegal is so destruction are you referring to firing james komi or something else obstruction of komi of sending orders to dominic and others to fire jeff sessions of asking various people including acting director mckay before loyalty the notion that there can't be a crime covering up for the original crime is crazy i mean what giuliani

has done in this whole it's not fake if it's not fake it's not lawful if it's not illegal i can't keep track of it myself you cannot obstruct justice you cannot fire the attorney general or the f.b.i. director under one pretense and tell america another these things are either legal these things warrant an impeachment and i would go further there are things that this person has done that i think have nothing to do with russia that should be impeach what he has done regarding taking out his personal. hatred of jeff bezos in terms of the washington post and amazon and using the postal service to to intercede to try to pressure amazon that is in ph a bill to interface to intercede with the partner of justice to interfere in the free markets of eighteen teet and time warner that is impeachable now well should be impeached and even if he even if we were to fail. even if i counted wrong and i

only had sixty five votes and my grand plan failed i can one go to bed that did the right thing and i think the founders would be looking down from heaven saying god bless you out of the people waiting for you i don't have a direct lied to our founding fathers but i do have a lie to my producers who are telling me you're out of time and we need to wrap quickly before we go i have to ask you because of your very very close longstanding relationship with former secretary of state hillary clinton has she closed the door on running in two thousand and twenty the most honest way you can put it as a weapon pointed out it's somewhere between incredibly exceptionally highly unlikely and zero but it's not zero no i mean that's you know it's incredibly highly and exceptional likely that i'm going to win the powerball but it's not zero so you get a. few hundred million thank you so much for joining us graham in your op ed in a piece that we really appreciate it thank you in washington d.c.

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to end the electoral college lowered the voting age of sixteen allowing non-citizens to vote and to pack the supreme court with more in partisan judges what is happening here well it would seem if you can't win on the merit of ideas that all you need to do is radically change the system. welcome back to politicking i may be holmes sitting in for larry king betto o'rourke has announced his entry into the crowded two thousand and twenty democratic field for the white house but he has yet to announce any policy positions that might help him win the win the primaries or potentially the general election well i'm now joined by nate lerner he's a supporter of beto o'rourke in fact he is the co-founder of the site draft beto dot org and creator of the app boycott trump and he joins me here in new york may thank you so much we really appreciate it of course thanks for having me so made a lot of observers are saying that mr o'rourke had a bit of

a bumpy roll out there was a lot of apologizing and a lot of attacks on your candidate for being a quote white male i asked i just want to know what's your reaction to that. well i think there's you know there's there's the narrative right now that we're seeing in the media i'm not surprised a lot of attacks come out i'm sure that all the other campaigns their communications teams and all the folks in the media who don't support him had their attacks ready to go as soon as he he announced some shorts no quit in coincidence that those lined up with his announcement what's interesting is you see this narrative that's playing out in the media and then you see what's happening on the ground we have the six point one million dollars he raised that shows that he has a ton of support in the party in fact even more than twenty leander's who is a guy that i million right exactly and that's you know he's he's the he's a great grassroots candidate that all is well and then the stories we're hearing from iowa even a lot of reporters were admitting that people who walk into the cafes walk into the bars walk into you know the places where he's hosting events they come out feeling

really inspired really motivated believing in our political system again and they come out you know feeling very good about beto and that's a really strong contrast to the narrative that's being portrayed in the media by a lot of folks and i think we're going to start seeing happening is the more he goes to small towns in iowa the more he travels throughout the midwest the more he goes to these states talking to voters that's his biggest strength and that's what draws people in not so much you know the slogans he comes up with the other candidates tend to do not so much the ads that are run but interacting with him is what wins votes and what's great betto is he's got this amazing energy and he just goes around talking to everybody and listening in that's where he wins those votes in a small state like iowa a small state like new hampshire that's going to go an extremely long way and you'll see that in those small states but you can't meet every voter in the primary let alone the general election and mr rick is getting a lot of criticism that so far there doesn't seem to be a lot of meat on the policy balance that it is

a lot of sloganeering and kind of pie in the sky political cliches when can we expect to see a detailed policy agenda from mr o'rourke. i don't i don't i don't speak for the campaign so i can't speak to that i will say you know considering that he just launched his campaign and he had to prepare a presidential campaign in a matter of weeks something that typically takes months and that a lot of these other candidates have been preparing for for two years it's a bit understandable to not have a completely flushed out policy platform yet but if you you know go to these events and you hear him either gayle king had a great interview with him which he really did pushing very hard a lot of these issues he spoke about his platform for example he's for legalizing marijuana he's for expanding medicare for expanding medicaid for explaining he sees a hole in finding a pass universal health care you know he's not afraid to take a stance on these policies he just doesn't flush them out quite as much yet because it's still very early which is understand you were one of the key people to you

know kind of build momentum behind an rorik presidential announcement and get your guy into the race six point one million dollars that's impressive by any measure by any standard my question to you is before we go who do you think is that o'rourke's biggest adversary in the democratic field who are you most sort of fearful of him going up against. i think joe biden seen a lot of news reports that he's likely going to run in two thousand and twenty which is great certainly the more the merrier the more people we have on our on the democratic stage the better that being said you know i think he may beto are very similar in there in that they are like the voters like them because they give us a really good chance of beating trump in twenty twenty that being said you know bet it was a lot younger he's a fresh face and that's what we need right now so nate before we go i have to ask you because you are you know a young person who understands social media in a way that an old dinosaur like me doesn't we're going to be talking to our next

guest about david nunez suing twitter for defaming him on why you of course bill those two apps that we mentioned drafting that o'rourke and you know trying to get rid of donald trump what do you think about the conservative critiques and attacks against social media for you know defamatory libelous statements and also for censorship you know i think it's it's a complex issue and what's what's ironic about it is that social media is the worst place to have this conversation because it's a lot there's a lot more to it than you know just a censorship one hundred forty characters or less actually you know these days yeah there are certainly times when we need to censor somebody because what they're putting forward is is he speech and you know is causing you know is causing things like we saw in new zealand for example but at the same time you know we still live in america and the first amendment still matters but then we have russia interfering in our elections through social media so this is something's a very nuanced issue that needs to be approached in that way hopefully.

the folks in the office and policymakers will purchase such. well all right thank you for talking with us we appreciate it nate lerner thanks for your time this week republican congressman devon noon yes from california launched a two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit against twitter claiming that the social media giant knowingly hosted and monetize content that defamed him well he now joins a long list of conservatives who claim that twitter facebook and other sites have a bias against republicans so what are the chances of this lawsuit moving forward and what if anything will it change in the long run let's talk about that with brad nicklin he is a trial attorney and legal analyst and he joins me here in new york brad thank you so much for joining us we appreciate it thank you i mean all right so we are looking for your legal opinion on devon unions as twenty two hundred fifty million dollars lawsuit against twitter he claims that the site and to parody twitter

accounts violated the first amendment by defaming him what's your reaction to that you know him it's almost laughable and when i first heard about i did some research on it as an attorney it's shocking that another attorney would even sign such a for was piece a litigator such a frivolous lawsuit i mean from the first amendment claim which is bogus to the claim that twitter should be responsible for their publishing the information there's no way that they can recover on any of this all right so you say that it's frivolous but doesn't twitter already have mechanisms and they have you know user agreements and stuff about what they think is hate speech and could you say that seven yes has possibly a case when it comes to that twitter does take action but in his case he claims they didn't know because twitter doesn't need to take action you know we would hope that there are some level of decency and fairness between a private company and the communication decency act specifically holds that they're

not responsible any social media they're not considered the publisher of the information it's the users that are using the platforms and twitter has nothing to do with. a little to do with what's even going on their site so that they do in their eyes can remember between twitter and you know person who opens a twitter account is there any legal liability there no not that i know of i mean most of those disclaimers are going to have limiting twitter's responsibility to their users nunez is a third party claim he's a victim and suffered because of the twitter account users so twitter is far removed from that claim even if they had a claim against the users themselves which i don't think they have against twitter or the twitter users all right so congressman yes he is demanding that the social media platform disclose the identity identities behind those anonymous accounts that he says are causing him particular suffering and according to the suit devon nunez his mom and devon union's cow two accounts have been posting things that he claims are defamatory what are the chances of

a new net new yes succeeding and getting those identities revealed i think he might be able to get the identities it which is unfortunate because i think you'd want as a user of social media to let some of your information is protected and you know you spoke of the twitter agreements but i think there is a chance even though i think there's a difference lawsuit that it will go a short distance and allow what's called discovery which is the exchange of information i think in that part of the litigation the probably get the names of the users and with that give devan yes ammunition to go after those the people behind those otherwise anonymous accounts once he knows who they are i think so just like he's doing now i'm sure they were named as anonymous user or jane and john doe but he's not going to have any affirmative claim against them either because unless he can prove that they had a reckless disregard for the truth and intended to injure him being a social public figure he's never going to be able to recover for libel or slander against a twitter user no matter who's writing

a public figure that raises the bar for you know proving to famine tori language grassing effectively significantly got you have to prove not only have to prove. that they acted with actual malice and that they knew or recklessly disregarded the truth but there's also some cases that say if there's no chance that the information would be believed by another person then there is no claim either and that's what i think we're going to find here that nobody really believed what was being said anyway so brad you got to a point that i think is actually still pretty it is really sticky and really controversial and i actually met with twitter executives here in new york city at a dinner a couple of weeks ago and that is a question of is social media like twitter like facebook is it a utility like your telephone so therefore it doesn't have any liability about what you know goes across the transom what one person says to or about another person or is it like a publisher therefore does have responsibility for what gets published on their social media sites i think that area there is pretty gray particularly when you

consider that twitter does regard itself a sort of a community where they are censoring some people they do have hate speech rules and they're not just letting anything fly right well right now these should be able to or as much as we may not like or find it distasteful businesses can discriminate businesses can take sides they can promote one side or another when you shoot in the media all the time but i thought as an adult later into that gray area of becoming a publisher not merely a utility i don't think so but i do think there is a need for more regulation as the social media increases and the use changes i think the way it is right now in this specific twitter issue we're talking about isn't but i think it's going to build to that the rection and that's what a lot of people say motivated this new year's lawsuit is the hope to start more litigation more conversations about regulating social media and that i do think we need well this isn't the way to do it. really interesting stuff we really

appreciate brad joining us here in new york to discuss social media just what is it exactly thanks so much for your time. and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking also thank you so much to larry king for letting me sit in this chair today it's a huge honor now remember we love hearing from you join the conversation on larry's facebook page and as always you can share your thoughts on twitter by tweeting at kings things and using the politicking hash tag i also invite you to join me on twitter at real amy holmes well that's it for this edition of politicking.

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