in terms of military action the western. is the not. objective because. army was not actually removed from your orders to the. agreement but it was not so. damaged as nato forces expected in terms of. serbia should accept. for forty four but it was not of the forty feet but something i would say positive zero point zero point from which serbia enough of the rez. to find international international position reserving cost of an indoor here it is well documented at this point that the campaign was initially designed to destroy the yugoslav air defenses and high value military targets but it went far far

beyond that heating a television station the chinese embassy many other public buildings even a passenger train that was crossing a bridge at that time how do you explain this mission creep and was it a mission creep as opposed to a deliberate intimidation. as a matter of fact it was a real war war without roofs. because the military. records were not to do the only one i mean nato particularly in the second part of the war to save the last month and that civilian jacket was bridges for example they destroyed fifty four bridges in serbia and electricity. equipment and many things. out of which a normal civilian. life and defense so. they

tried to make and. collecting i thought it was intuition between the population that in the war cannot be. and. should and need to defeat but i think i would say that fortunately for us it was finished by purported fourth and the decisions of the united nations by the senate to safety security council and. such a me. on the legal action of the nato were moved to work on your legal position of serbia international community now one of the reasons why this was allowed to proceed that way was because of russia's geopolitical weakness at that time its reliance on the western loans its willingness to remain in the good graces

of the west and you know that i hear a lot of people here in moscow talking about how our prime minister at the time trying to explain a round and cancel his visit to the united states but do you think moscow at that time could have done more to prevent what happened in your country. and it is obvious that moscow couldn't have been anything. anything important and in crucial in that war i mean moscow and gave some kind of diplomatic. support to serbia and by the end of the war in. the process and in moscow came back to the process within this unity council discussion about the new resolution so i was really on loaning the word but as they said the b.n. go on the murder was numb better than the beginning of. your mind there is a forty four and the reaction of not only russian proposal china and the other

countries being a members of the security council and pasta and there is a russian which was in favor of for some future sushant of that problem but before that resolution was passed. moscow essentially joined the west in calling for milosevic to surrender and the yugoslav capitulation came later that day i'm talking about june third one thousand nine hundred nine do you think that it was an act of. bravery you know maybe cora decide on the part of russia. it was very complicated situation and i think russia did what it could but maybe there were more expectation on serbian signed into russia militarily. to do so i've been to france so in that situation. i

mean you know she didn't want to surrender and actually she didn't do that she. did what she had to. do defending the country and using the military to defend the country to be in the weapons that they have pretty back martin in comparison to the dresser but. i mean that. i think it has been lost to wrong for the western countries because they counted you know weeks and not in a month the operation and finally i think that. when the outcome we should to brace insecurity in security council by the end of june one thousand nine hundred ninety one somehow exit for all sides. now that bombing and. the loss of each agreeing to allow peacekeepers into casa. him also allowing to transfer governing functions to all of our cost of oil to the u.n.

bodies but it would be another ninety years before cost of us independence would be proclaimed and eagerly embrace by the west i know that you served as service for minister for cost of any talk here when do you think serbia lost that province was it in one thousand nine hundred nine was it in two thousand and eight or was it perhaps later i think the. last who is the possible because there is a silver opportunity to. save. to save the position of serbia in that context. my i think united nine and it did not happen i mean the losing of asa law neither nora. into those at two thousand and eight says it was a union lot than a problem ation of when the band is classical case of us a session and you know not

that all of it will be the bands but the steel that also of the international law honor our are more more on the serbian side i think not on notice a russian by forty four but also on just a key final act which guarantees a moment when an ability of borders and still today it is valid to them because there is a big pressure. to be organized. in order to abandon the organic piece of international law party rough resolution forty four it means that this is the solution is still valid if you still mean big east still strong weapon in the hands of serbia and many things not all of them but many things the events of the behaviors are being government of the day but the professor some are just i'm sure you know that. even if the international law is on the side of serbia

international law is very often ignored it is in the interest of the most powerful nations and. i want to bring in the case of crimea here because i'm sure you know that the russians very strongly opposed the idea of course those independence yet they also side to the cause of us independence as a case to justify the reunification of crimea back into russia what did you make of it at the don't you think that's perhaps it's a bit cynical on the part of moscow to first be strongly against casillas independence and use it as a case to support the it's its own policies. these are different things i mean kosovo is a clear situation of do you want to miss a session as as i said this session of some people palatial from the. international legal guys border of the state. criminal case is somehow different because a grim criminal. did not look for it for in the bans that is the big

difference. is just coming back to russia. because it used to be the part of russia. and does not look for international people nice in the bans always and the other two is because the society kind is not to be organized by international law and i am aware of that international law is. a soft law or something like that but no real serbia have the proof of its validity because as i said western countries heavily pressured serbian government to recognize course it means that there without this. mission. there is. no independence of truth. now i think one thing in

common between the case of crimea and the case of costello is that both of them were not only about territorial loss or gain they were about brother geopolitics and the russians made a decision to stand their ground that decision is very costly russia is still paying for that but i think the feeling here in moscow is that serbs were never really ready to defend interests in cost of a quite as strongly that they weren't ready to do much beyond complaining and that they ultimately as you said made the decision to exchange cost of zero for the e.u. prospect is that a fair analysis. no no it is not the case now person for now within serbian public opinion there is really means i'm getting means to an awful lot of babies. moment the second moment is the cup of be billeted of

european union to accept for a long time and it could not be the composition because it had been unity is not ready to make these kind of opposition so there is no hope to say say some tradeoffs for a new law between also in european union i mean who gets the the the right to access and who the leader and also going to bring he so it is completely. into asian and nobody can get in the any kind of compensation because of possible mission of also independence ok well professor some are just me have to take a very short break now but maybe i'll be back in just a few moments. to

get up off the ground of serbia give. them for example the sounds of fighting in manly chris lee essentially the officer. who is a. visual of twisted away from the officer. the officer did they kind of lunge for the weapon once missed and there would have been done treece one as i have says he didn't hit him i never saw any contact with. any kind of a back to where they were so the officers back here there again fifteen feet apart at this point and that's when the officer for his gun in the tree. the money philosophy is dead right so the money velocity what measure of money is being long down from bank to bank to banks banks bank which is

a measure of economic health is dead and if the money printing continues to increase sunset i'm asking the question why is the money not getting into the economy they're printing more of it. through on friday go oh oh oh dear it's crazy oh. we've been a real good shops few begin mergers controls all life. becomes our last community young people are deciding if they want to be not like their parents not like and liberals. always struggle school. we always have problems but the. focus is the most ubiquitous going out there most police departments use it almost overstayers in the school that they could get their hands on cumbersome twenty four hours. really teaching these kids are both racism both police

brutality taking pride of them being or these kids are all a part of history. welcome back to worlds apart this law but on some our church professor of political sciences at the university of belgrade professor before the break we talked about serbia spain full past let's focus on the future and now as we alluded several times during the discussion serbia is now on track of joining the european union of reaching. ludes many of the countries that participated in the nine hundred ninety nine bombing campaign i'm sure it's a very complex set of feelings for this service but that's it mean in general the

the serbs are ready to turn the page that they're ready to kind of overcome the trauma. yes it is a very difficult to overcome the trauma and memories are very fresh and each year of. twenty fourth of march. is the day of remembrance of the of the event. as a matter of fact the twenty year past and in the meanwhile serbia. had. been through better is. relations with the european union and the new this is a mess and countries are generally and. are attractive for european integration was something go which rooster how to say disappearing off. of losing the cost of war. in serbia i mean by the beginning of two thousand the

new government was ready to start a new well dubin union and ukrainian union was a ready to open the association is the british in process of the countries of the region on that days it was or something. could happen but after many years after ten or fifteen years i was no chance to do that because the countries which cannot move in the conditions but because of the new developments within european union i know that public attitudes towards the e.u. integration five trade but the recent paul i saw by serbia's ministry of european integration showed that fifty five percent or starts as of now want the e.u. membership they still want that linking it to better live higher living standards wealth and travel is it something that the e.u.

is still capable of delivering by no means not only for the time being but for a long time. when you are. he's faced with the. big prizes he has been mossed in two thousand and eight and its composition is completely different different in comparison to the previous period when it was ready to enlarge now it is. because it is occupying it with his own problems so. it is a one part of the story the idea is that your opinion didn't change its. politics and it is the question why indian change i think it is because of some other reasons not because of the possibility of. the countries within its ranks but to keep control over their countries not to develop some trade

or do some other relations with the other underspent hiromi to russia china and other prospective. countries drug worked now serbia has been receiving a lot of money from the european commission around i think four point three billion euros bits been two thousand and two thousand and sixteen which is in this same range as the most conservative after minutes of the damage caused by the at nine hundred ninety nine bombing. would it be fair to say that the europeans perhaps indirectly and perhaps partially but have compensated for the damage that some of them cost no means. it isn't very disputed know how big the damage was in serbia and montenegro so in a court and to our economists there was nearer ten billion dollars of their act material damage but the more than thirty or forty billion dollars of. damage

so european union could not compensate that through. this period from two thousand two thousand eight hundred nineteen he says. he says in program his remains of an exemption distance which is about. two hundred two hundred million euros from here but it cannot compensate he spoke about. on the other side of this now austin these it is ok but it does not have. prospects to work to find. that process it is the full fledged membership of serbia within european union i mean this. politics has been lasting already for fifteen

sixteen years and serbia is still on the way but now this is the way without a doubt aim to no purpose it may be all without purpose on the e.u. side but there is clearly a purpose there for serbia i mean one of the conditions for. accessing the the united the european union is normalizing relations with casa would be remanded and before and from what i know around sixty percent of serbs want to see that happen do you think the current government and the public understand normalisation in quite the same terms. i mean this. very problematic i mean the same. research at your mansion binder's again minister for the nation which granted to fifty percent of the habitants in favor of european integration if the five percent yes yes but at the same done the question.

was a modern relation between serbia and russia would you like to and watch and deepen or relation to russian made more this. seventy percent was in favor were in favor of that i mean population are not combat about the consequences of the you don't pin the serbian approaching to be union that causes consequences may be the lifting of the agreement trade agreement with russia and are losing everything so be added international is not so much but it gives some perspective. in terms of trade their investments and so on so it is kind of my new permission to beat them in the parts . i wouldn't. mind these speeches by the way i think most efficient position is that we don't see it as a you know either or game russia is more than fine of its serbia maintaining all the trade ties it has i think russia itself would like to trade more with the

european union so perhaps it is time to. have the perspective and look at it in a sort of win the win situation now let me ask you one more question about the european union because the e.u. off two thousand and nineteen is clearly very different from the european union of two thousand and nine when serbia applied for membership as you mentioned before it has lots of internal disagreements there is an obvious policy paralysis is that major a fiscal and monetary problems do you think the time a average calm when the serbs would look around thank the e.u. for all the reforms it encouraged and decide that they're better on their own that without the e.u. without necessarily any association with russia just you know trying to maintain balanced relationship with all the players it is a really not for either or situation. i think. serbia should to maintain

its close relations with european union but in summer a different mode in comparison would be the. standardization process this process is. absolutely not now and it produces pretty bad economic consequences for serbia because i mean for example the liberated trade policies in european union without getting any. compensation are only cite so it should be should be changed i mean the whole situation with no agreement about to close partnership between serbia and european union but no so such a comprehensive as a musician and. association agreement the president poses so it is one part of the story and the other is the sebi i will be free to trade and to develop. and there gently can. china and russia and. all incentives

when his own interests. today the way to european union is somehow. limits. or to not be a maze of investments and trade and it is not good for serbia it is time to. really define this politics well let me ask you one hypothetical question if serbia is indeed decides to make it on its own to chart its own path. outside the e.u. do you think that will bring the cost of an issue back on the on to the national identity and i also wonder if you believe that serbia could gather cos of a not by force but by the strength of its economy by the efficiency of its government especially given that those that some of the weakest point some of the major issues now in kosovo itself well yes maam on the constitution does not depend

of economic relations and democracy and so on it depends on a fairly harsh. and we did not have this negotiation on the numbers of the resolution forty four it predicted a moment of. political strangeness of course will be missed the opportunity between two designs two thousand and five and seven when the saudis. refused or serbian proposals for a peaceful solution into him. and the other talks are negotiations. or brussels process is not. the process of a kind of offer fair. so we must talk with the rebellion about the benefits of sophisticated so new shoes i mean in mind the tanami reserve used to be our and the same kind of autonomy of subsuming prishtina and

who'd auster for years but if you'd finished with the beast for compromise so who would be a long long lasting solution so it is the bias on our circumstances of the world political situation which should enable these kind of talks well professor some are just i think it would help the process if serbia word to be just as attractive to cost of albanians as the e.u. was to the serbs time of year is a gulf anyway we have to leave it there thank you very much for sharing your perspective but that's thank you very much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to syria get on the same place same time here on worlds apart.

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