create as opposed to a deliberate intimidation. as a matter of fact it was a real war war without roofs. because the military objectives were not to do the only one i mean nato particularly in the second part of the war plan to save the last month and back to civilian. bridges for example they destroyed fifty four bridges in serbia and electricity. equipment and many things. out of which an enormous if you know. why for defense so. they tried to make a. collective i thought it was intuition between the population that in the war cannot be. and. should and

need to defeat but i think i would say that fortunately for us it was finished by. forty fourth and the decisions of the united nations by the said the same security council and. central me. on the legal action of the nato were moved to work and your legal position of serbia international community now one of the reasons why this was allowed to proceed that way was because of russia's geopolitical weakness at that time its reliance on the western loans its willingness to remain in the good graces of the west and you know that i hear a lot of people here in moscow talking about how our prime minister at the time trying to explain a round and cancel his visit to the united states but do you think moscow at that time could have done more to prevent what happened in your country.

and it is not because of moscow couldn't have been anything. anything important and in crucial in that war i mean moscow and gave some kind of diplomatic. support to serbia and by the end of the war. came back to the process and in moscow came back to the process within this unity council discussion about the new resolution so i was really on loaning the word but as they said the b.m. go on the murder was numb bent and then the beginning of. your mind there is a russian and forty four and the reaction of not only russian proposal china and the other countries being a members of the security council and there is a russian which was in favor of for some future sushant of that problem but before that resolution was passed. moscow essentially joined the west in

calling for milosevic to surrender and the yugoslav capitulation came later that day i'm talking about june third one thousand nine hundred nine do you think that it was an act of. bravery you know maybe current decide on the part of russia. it was very complicated situation and i think russia did what you'd call it but maybe there were more expectation on the serbian sign and russia could militarily assist to do so i've been to france so in that situation. i mean you know she didn't want to surrender and actually she didn't do that she. did what she had to. do defending the country and using the military to defend the country to be in the weapons that they have pretty back martin in comparison the democrats are but. i mean that. i think

it has been lost to wrong for the western countries because they counted in the weeks and not in amongst the operation and finally i think that. when the outcome we should to brace insecurity in security council by the end of june one thousand nine hundred ninety one somehow acts in for all sides. now that bombing and where milosevich agreeing to allow peacekeepers into cost. him also allowing to transfer governing functions to all of our cost of oil to the un bodies but it would be and now that ninety years before cost of us independence would be proclaimed and eagerly embrace by the west i know that you sir served as service for minister for cost of any talk here when do you think serbia lost that

province was it in one thousand nine was it in two thousand and eight or was it perhaps later i think the. last who is the possible because there is a still more opportunity to. save. to save the position of serbia in that context. my i think united nine and it did not happen i mean the losing of asa law neither morra. into those that two thousand and eight says it was a union than a problem ation often the band is a classical case of us a session and you know not that all that it will be depends but the still there also of the international law honor our are more more on the serbian side i think not on notice a russian by forty four but also on just a key final act which guarantees a moment when an ability of borders and still today it is valid to them because

there is a big pressure. to be organized chaos along in order to abandon the organic piece of international law particular of resolution about forty four it means that this is the solution is still valid it is still me big east still strong weapon in the hands of serbia and many things not all of them but many things the events of the behaviors are being government of the day but the professor some are just i'm sure you know that. even if the international law is on the side of serbia international law is very often ignored it is in the interest of the most powerful nations and. i want to bring in the case of crimea here because i'm sure you know that the russians very strongly opposed the idea of course those independence yet they also side to the cause of us independence as

a case to justify the reunification of crimea back into russia what did you make of it at the don't you think that's perhaps it's a bit cynical on the part of moscow to first be strongly against casillas independence and then use it as a case to support the it's its own policies. these are different things i mean kosovo is a clear situation of do you want to miss a session as i said this session of some people palatial from the. international legal maze border of the state. criminal case is somehow different because a grim criminal. did not look for it for independence that is the big difference. is just coming back to russia. because it used to be the part of russia. does not look for international people nice independence always and the other two is because the

society that kind is not to be organized by international law and i am aware of that international law is. a soft law or something like that but no real serbia had the proof of its validity because as i said western countries heavily pressured serbian government to recognize course it means that this. mission. very. no independence of truth. now i think one thing in common between the case of crimea and the case of costello is that both of them were not only about territorial loss or gain they were about brother geopolitics and the russians made a decision to stand their ground that decision is very costly russia is still paying for that but i think the feeling here in moscow is that serbs were never

really ready to defend interests in cost of a quite as strongly that they weren't ready to do much beyond complaining and that they ultimately as you said made the decision to exchange cos a vote for the e.u. prospect is that a fair analysis. no now it is not the case now present within serbian public opinion there is really i'm getting minutes to deliver babies. it is now because the moment the second moment is the ability of european union to accept be out for a long time and it cannot be the compensation because it will be a unit is not ready to make this kind of organization so there is no how to say say some tradeoff for a new law between also and european union i mean who gets the the the right to

access and to deliver also the libyan he so it is completely. situation and nobody can guarantee any kind of compensation because of possible mission of also independence ok well professor some are just me have to take a very short break now but maybe i'll go back in just a few moments. officer

. told him to get up off the ground and the officer began to pet him down. and then freeze on the sounds of kind of fighting into a grown man like wrestling essentially the officer who. drew his own. wish to go away from the officer. to his crew. the obvious or did they kind of lunge for the weapon once missed and then what happened on tree swung at the officers hands didn't hit him i never saw any contact with. any kind of went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again fifteen feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and he did it on three. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful it's very critical. to sit

down and talk. through all body all over again it's pretty. been a real good shops to begin murders. become some sort of class community young people are deciding if they want to be not like their parents not liked and liberals. always struggle school were. always their problems but. folks it's the most ubiquitous going out there most police departments use it almost overstayers in the school they could get their hands on a gun was on twenty four hours. we were teaching these kids both racism

both police brutality taking pride of them there are. all a part of history. welcome back to worlds apart this law but on some our church professor of political sciences at the university of belgrade professor before the break we talked about serbia spain full past let's focus on the future and now as we alluded several times during the discussion serbia is now on track of joining the europe. the union which includes many of the countries that participated in the nine hundred ninety nine bombing campaign i'm sure it's a very complex set of feelings for this service but that's it mean in general the the serbs are ready to turn the page that they're ready to kind of overcome the

trauma. yes it is a very difficult to overcome the trauma and memories are very fresh and each year of. twenty fourth of march. is the day of remembrance of the of the event. as a matter of fact the twenty year past and in the meanwhile serbia. had. to better ease. relations with the european union and the new this is a mess and countries are generally and. attractive european integration was something go which reduced the how to say disappearing off . of losing the cost of all. in serbia i mean by the beginning of

two thousand the new government was ready to start to build their green union and ukrainian union was a ready to open the association is the british in process of the countries of the of the region on that days it was something that could happen but after many years after ten or fifteen years there was no chance to do that because the countries which cannot move in the conditions because of a new developments within european union i know that public attitudes towards the e.u. integration five trade but the recent paul i saw by serbia's ministry of european integration showed that fifty five percent or starts as of now want the e.u. membership they still want that linking it to better live higher living standards wealth and travel is it something that the e.u. is still capable of delivering i know me not only for the time being but for

a long time. when you. he's faced with the. big crises has been. two thousand and eight and its composition is completely different different in comparison to previous periods when it was ready to enlarge now it is. because it is occupying it with its own problems so. it is a one part of the story the idea is that your opinion didn't change its. politics and it is the question why it didn't change i think it is because of some other reasons not because of the possibility of. the countries within its ranks but to keep control over their countries not to develop some trade order and some other relations with the other countries particularly the russia

china and the. prospect. countries strong bird now serbia has been receiving a lot of money from the european commission around i think four point three billion euro spits been two thousand and two thousand and sixteen which is in the same range as the most conservative after minutes of the damage caused by the at nine hundred ninety nine bombing would it be fair to say that the europeans perhaps indirectly and perhaps partially but have compensated for the damage that some of them cost. no means. it isn't very disputed. how big the damage was in serbia and montenegro so you know you know our economy is . nearer ten billion dollars of their act material damage but more than thirty or forty billion dollars of. them each so european union could not

compensate that through. this period from two thousand and two thousand eight hundred nineteen. inches in program is remains of exemption distance which is about. two hundred two hundred million euros from here but it cannot compensate he spoke about. on the other side of this now assistant these it is ok but it does not have. prospects to work the final purpose of that process it is the full fledged membership of serbia within european union i mean this. politics has been lasting already for fifteen sixteen years and serbia is still on the way but now this is the way without.

purpose it may be all without purpose on the e.u. side but there is clearly a purpose there for serbia i mean one of the conditions for. accessing the the united the european union is normalizing relations because they were between mentioned before and from what i know around sixty percent of serbs want to see that happen do you think the current government and the public understand normalisation in quite the same terms. i mean this. very problem not. i mean the same. research as you mentioned by disagreeing minister of. the nation which granted to fifty percent of habitants the paper a few printed a shift to five percent yes yes but at the same the question. was a relation between serbia and russia would you like to enlarge and deep under

national russian more than seventy percent was in favor were in favor of that i mean population are not combat about the consequences of the european the serbian approaching to have been union the cost as a consequence may be the lifting of the agreement trade agreements with russia and removing everything said to be a good international is not so much but it gives some perspective. in terms of trade their investments and so on so it is kind of my new permission to beat them in the pounds and. i wouldn't. mind these speeches by the way i think most efficient position is that we don't see it as a you know either or game russia is more than fine of it serbia maintaining all the trade ties it has and i think russia itself would like to trade more with the european union so perhaps it is time to you know shift the perspective and look at

it in a sort of win the win situation now let me ask you one more question about the european union because the e.u. off two thousand and nineteen is clearly very different from the european union of two thousand and nine when serbia applied for membership as you mentioned before it has lots of internal disagreements there is an obvious policy paralysis is that major fiscal and monetary problems do you think the time a average calm when the serbs would look around thank the e.u. for all the reforms it encouraged and decide to. they're better on their own that without the e.u. without necessarily any association with russia just you know trying to maintain balanced relationship with all the players it isn't really not the either or situation. i think the serbian should be assured to maintain its close relations with european union but in some a different mode in comparison the business association and somebody is asian

process this process is obsolete not now and it produces pretty bad economic consequences for serbia because i've been for example the liberated trade policies in european union when dr get get can get any. compensation are only site so it should be should be changed i mean the whole situation to be no agreement about close partnership between serbia and european union but noakes so such a comprehensive as. a physician commitment the president poses so it is one part of the story and the other is the sebi i will be free to trade and to develop. and there gently can and infrastructure. china and russia and the other congress in accordance with who with his own interests.

today the way to european union is somehow. or to not be a maze of investments and the trade and it is not good for serbia at the same to. me define this politics now let me ask you want to hypothetical question if serbia indeed decides to make it on its own chart its own path. outside the e.u. do you think that will bring the cost of issue back onto the national agenda and i also wonder if you believe that serbia could gather cost of a not by force but by the strength of its economy by the efficiency of its government especially given that those are some of the weakest point some of the major issues now in kosovo itself. the freakonomics of nations and democracy depends on a fairly large. and we did not have these negotiations

on the numbers of the resolution forty four in predicting to a moment of. political status of course will be missed the opportunity between two dozen two thousand and five and seven when the saudis. refused or serbian proposals for a peaceful solution into him. and the other talks are negotiations. or brussels process is not. the process of a kind of offer fair. so we must talk with the various about the benefits of sophisticated so who she's having in mind deep down on me also what reason he said to be are and the same kind of autonomy of substance. and who'd

auster for years but if initially the beast will compromise so who will be a long long lasting solution so it is the bias on our circumstances on the world political situation which should enable these kind of talks well professor some are just i think it would help the process if serbia word to be just as attractive to cost of albanians as the e.u. was to the serbs time of year is a gulf anyway we have to leave it there thank you very much for sharing your perspective but that's thank you very much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages to syria same place same time here on worlds apart.

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