it's huge unequivocally standing by its principles and who is associated with the evidence with institute no less than the people with an arguably disproportionate influence over britain's bricks at negotiations his u.k. backbencher jacob research at the institute. mari stalking on christmas morning rex do you hold on to your. than someone who is also addressed the adam smith institute is none other than breakfast amendment co-author of a letter when we thought you blairite red tour event cooper who also wants to overthrow a labor leader jeremy corbyn it is that women who because of indicative votes is cited as the real prime minister of britain here he is an event hosted by the adams with institute link center for policy studies explaining how margaret thatcher changed the labor party the great triumph of course because the book was going to do with me but was to convert the labor party to the police. and social

marketing. and she was able to well dr bob hill who is on this show on monday did quarter that win for his upcoming film and here is a sneak preview of him questioning left when about the plans to privatise the n.h.s. with big banks at the ready how about i name rough child so they are they going to benefit from the privatized nation have you got no comment mislabeling none whatsoever to you know do you know where there were thirty thousand excess testing twenty fifteen because of the cuts. anybody going to take any responsibility for that. is that when. there's a lot of people putting their lives on the line for the n.h.s. mr late when is it really worth all the money. all the deaths and destruction that we're seeing given you all the mastermind of the privatized action i thought you'd have more to say. well one organization that leaked secret documents about health services all around the world is we can leaks in the by. seventy two hours u.s.

president on trump's u.s. attorney general william barr has submitted to congress conclusions reached by special counsel robert mueller that directly attack the whistleblower organization joining me now is the editor in chief of wiki leaks kristinn hrafnsson by skype from reykjavik in iceland kristen thanks so much for coming back on what we now know the u.s. attorney general from him that your organization quotes publicly disseminated materials from obviously the russian government hacking operations quote through various intermediaries including wiki leaks you know ny that well i mean we've seen this claim before that wiki leaks it knowingly was circle operating with russian agents in overseeing the information or from the democratic party in two thousand and sixteen that claim is false and there is nothing to substantiate that claim and that hasn't changed well something must have sanjay to presumably have the u.s. attorney general is summarizing the conclusions of a report that's taken more than two years is it by the special counsel robert

mueller well there's a very very early interesting wording in the that you cited earlier i mean a it is. said that this is a little ariel that russian agents of change there were hacking or other means be that it was senators who were various intermediaries including wiki leaks. i have not seen any evidence and substantiating in the first half of the claim. it might be to realize at some point but it it doesn't really matter at all for we can fix. as an organization that published information that it receives if it's a very viable if it's accurate and if it's newsworthy it is published suggest i like every journalist should do now the second half of that sentence that you are citing is that it was disseminated through intermediaries of various intermediaries in. shooting wiki leaks that's actually

a rather positive acknowledgement that there were dozens of media organization that were disseminating the x.x. li the same information but why singling out and mentioning wiki leaks if you go into details of that we can we can i can name of those organizations the media organization that were doing exactly the same thing as wiki leaks and should you mention that as well i mean the question for two point zero or legally a letter leaked from that entity or was published by at least eleven media organization including the he wasn't on post the politico and the intercept the first feet. information that were set to be from d.c. leaks worse published by seventeen media organizations including the emotional post in new york times the wall street journal's etc etc then the material which is published worse republics and stories written on it in twenty three media

organizations including all the major media organizations in the western world including r.t. including her t.v. and the b.b.c. and the n.b.c. a.b.c. the new york times the washington post etc etc so it worse its source quite interesting that it's at least acknowledged that the material was. published and disseminated through various media organization but why single out we can excite i don't understand that except that if we leave it to one side when they have let him have put it would it want to double down trump as president your own former media partners the london guardian they have repeatedly said that well i mean that one of their columnists call your organization basically useful idiots for russia. well i mean it was the idiot i mean the guardian printed a front page story saying there was no collusion it has zero zero. because that the

journalist that you mentioned without mentioning his name his name is you're carrying a list of a book called collusion where he maintained that there had been collusion and the wiki swung it was in the midst of it and i was on paper is now printing a prop eight stories telling him that he was wrong i mean it does you still have a job but the guardian this is the same individual that printed a story on twenty seventh of november last year on the front page of the guardian saying that all manner of ford had somehow mysteriously sneaked into secret private meetings in the ecuadorian embassy or three occasions now we're talking about the most of eight spots in the most of a city in the world totally unthinkable that this could ever have happened and the guardian knew it they're not trying to defend a story they have not retracted the story of higher than just the guardian stands by that story well those do stand by it by not retracting it and not answering any

question everybody knows that this was a traffic aided false story that had serious implications for julian a science and wiki leaks and therefore we are forced to take them to court. or will a story ok but similar tenuously you are being taken to court by the democratic national congress his most prominent huggable twenty twenty can have his bernie sanders despite your leaks of course contributing to our knowledge about how the clinton campaign in twenty sixteen tried to destroy the. sound of presidential campaign in twenty six theme what are you going to do about the d.n.c. soaring well i mean we are we are defending ourselves to the organization has sort of a defense and it will be met in court and dealt with that's the only thing to do they're not suing the b.b.c. or a.b.c. or the new york times who are not or not all they're not so in the mainstream media on their home turf for wood work which is how many. actually the same information

has not acknowledged in the attorney general's letter based on the report would you still say that in the whole situation here and this has been a victory for anyone who wanted strained relations between moscow and washington russia says there's nothing to celebrate because the sanctions and economic warfare continue out of all of this even though it may be a complex labyrinth i'm connection to wiki leaks and and the d.n.c. . i mean home again for this one and this is a journey that was started in a panic reaction we have confirmation that within twenty four hours after the the outcome of the election in two thousand and sixteen the the democratic party officials decided that they had to put a plane somewhere. because it was a humiliating to defeat against donald trump. and russia became the. the entity that everything should be planed on and on that basis

we've had this trying to see in the media. absolutely a neo mccarthy istic era with his. total humiliations for journalists and who has gained i can tell you as a last journalism in general has lost this is an extremely dark period for a mainstream media especially united states and for those who cater to that market such as the guardian it is it is much worse than the episode with the major media swallowing the story of the. alleged weapons of mass destruction in iraq is it even worse than the mccarthy used to carry on this era in the fifty's it is such a humiliation as such uploading these russian page transceiver will recover. i simply don't see that happening in a normal world a lot of people. a lot of journalists will be emptying their desks today and just

quietly when it's a scene this is a horrible horrible dark days for journalists in the country and went through it in our and over the world and i don't have a shut out if you know on that it's sorry state kristinn hrafnsson i'm going to stop you there more from the editor in chief of wiki leaks after this break and we'll ask the architect of the paris climate agreement about the billion dollar loan being budgets of the fossil fuel giants. going underground. politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line they didn't accept the reject. so when you want to be president. want to. have to go right to the press it's like in the film three of the more people. i'm

interested always in the long. civil. the tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been great only employment from the inside venezuela things look different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. bonus will have a supplement to. them but some tackle football battle song oh yeah the people of the moment the focus of the whole story isn't new nixon called in henry kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated that in latin america an alternative that konami and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to

make. the chilean economy scream so once in the making the economy of venezuela screech. from saved matter us with over one trillion dollars in debt. well he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent world market thirty percent some with one hundred to five hundred preferred circuit per second and this one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building two point one billion dollars ai industrial park but don't let the numbers over. the only number you need to remember one one business show you know for the mid one and only boom boom.

welcome back we're still here with the joint chief of wiki leaks christian or evans and the whistleblower chelsea manning don't trump's national security she's already been tortured. do you think the trumpet ministration will try to kill her. since been satisfied as he has been spending up we're seeing something happening that you do not accept like to see in a country that calls itself civilized i mean for heaven's sake this is something us it's you know or through other italian rigi. see was court martialed to a sentence he spent seven years in prison or sentence was commuted by presidential decree to korean as he is hold back in front of a secret. court a secret grand jury and in attempt to force for an alleged source to testify

against the journalists who worked on the material this is absolutely unacceptable and if they need any some other of the trust that they have lost the entire trust this would not start focusing on the situation of chelsea manning and the atrocity that's he is our organization julian assad held in arbitrary detention here in london as it happened by the u.n. what do you make of the perceived idea that this u.s. department of justice jet that arrived in london called five n one hundred sixty yeah i think it's a coded threat in a sound and it worked very well possibly be we don't know that for sure we just pointed out the fact that this is a rendition plane it was used when titian on a lesser russian hacker from the czech republic last year this is the first time as far as we know that this this department of justice jet has landed in bridges airspace and it was sitting there for quite a few days in at the same time we were seeing creased activity outside the embassy

or plain clothes. part of that operation with some now probably has cost twenty four million pounds to the u. of u.k. taxpayers and this comes in the same area where the squeeze has been put on on shelves in many we also know that several in to get. that had even a minor connection to wiki leaks back and twenty ten are now being sent what i call in the law for that they can have immunity if they testify against julian assange is and to wiki leaks. this is the greatest thing as a threat to enter the jewels u.s. citizens who are now basically living in axons as refugees in several european countries so this accounts are in there that this might be approaching the. even more serious situation we have course no that any more anyone. in ecuador

is willing to sacrifice julian assange. even surer. generally that was reported in new york times in the in early december. connectivity the government of ecuador which gave asylum to. perhaps the i.m.f. there washington i.m.f. deal for acquittal could possibly be that there's a connection there we don't know all the details of what has been going on behind closed doors but we see that there is a total of one hundred eighty degrees puts in the when when then he would also go from his for the recess or and the hostility towards julian it was an embassy has increased he has been. stripped of communications for weeks on end there is no limits on the visitors or can see him in the embassy and he is basically treated like a prisoner instead of the individual that was granted. diplomatic asylum

which carry carries responsibility according to international law. international law they don't seem to apply to many countries not even the united kingdom who regards. international law when it suits kristinn hrafnsson thank you. well wiki leaks is again and again exposed to manipulation by u.s. authorities of international accords including those seeking to save the earth from climate change destruction but while u.s. embassy dispatches reveal the use of spying threats and aid promises the entire international environmental paradigm is arguably now being thrown into turmoil by this man the bottom line is that the paris accord is very unfair at the highest level. to the united states well joining me now is the architect of the agreement the president trump tore up christiana figueres thanks for coming on to tell me first of all about this event in london today that you are speaking about three

years on from that barras agreement well it's three years and a little bit on from the paris agreement in which we explored how we have actually program asked on certainly on technology development on policies on some countries that have actually already over complied with what they said they were going to do in paris and some countries who are not interested in taking advantage of the benefits of the carbon is aisha's britain over complaint britain is very well on track. that's good to know there were all these children leaving school on friday every week and then was all the traffic brought to a whole borough organizations like the extinction rebellion of things you know and i am very grateful for all of those demonstrations on the streets because this really is about that generation we are trying to change the course here out of our of the economy onto a low carbon or no carbon economy but that generation that is out there on the

streets are the ones who are going to have to finish the job i had my two young daughters with me in paris just to remind me every single day why are we doing this we're doing this for future generations we have d. carbonized in the economy for them we're not doing it fast enough and that's why they are in the streets because we're not doing it fast enough the political compromise in the paris agreement states the objective as being well below two and an aspirational object of a one point five but may i be the first one to say that clause in the paris agreement is now obsolete we have to change that and we have to make sure there were going for one point five and not below two wrested know that secretly in paris out of the deal before because we know many secret things that it was one of the that it was. you know who knew that who knew about and because that's why it is actually mentioned as an aspirational target in in the paris agreement is all of the small island states because they are the most vulnerable you see in the

political dimension are going to corporations it is a good president obama who i should add for to impose c o two standards of power plants on standards for oil refineries open up public lands would go she's saying in a very dangerous for these sorts of new congress people like alexander because you could tell as touting green new deals this could mean electoral problems for the democrats is that shortsighted well i haven't seen the things out of worry about trump you've obviously yeah already i haven't seen the exact wording from president obama. but let me be very clear the body he really understands climate change he is very very aware of the fog that it is a huge threat both for the united states as well as for globally whether from a political fine tuning point of view he finds that some aspects of the green new deal that by the way go way beyond climate change into a much more holistic and comprehensive view of the future whether he finds that

some of those things are not very helpful right now and i think probably backed by the roundtree foundation influence map claiming that since your parents climate deal has been one hundred billion dollars of investment by major oil and gas companies in fossil fuels ten times the amount spent on low carbon investment. why do you think that could have happened after the paris club why do i think that is this is happening. for a very simple reason and that is oil and gas companies are oil and gas companies that is what they have been doing for. decades right it's a little bit as though you say to our person who has been making boots for thirty forty years excuse me tomorrow no more boots you're not going to make sandals for the beach yes both are for your feet but it's

a completely different enterprise and what we're expecting from oil and gas companies is actually to change their business model completely i think at least the european oil and gas companies have totally understood that if they want to have a future in the twenty first century they need to get with the program and move over away from oil first onto more gas versus oil and then to understand that not all gasoline and i say the european ones well this is the latest to show chevron biba the europeans are definitely march more understanding of the transition that they have to make so they're beginning to understand that responsibility they're beginning to and bust into renewal balls into buying battery companies they're beginning to invest into what i call biological carbon capture and storage which is the cotton the capacity that our trees have of capturing c o two and putting it into soil so they're beginning to make that transition are they doing it fast

enough frankly no one is doing it fast enough when it was you china's saying complete ban on fossil fuel causes with chinese gentlemen to date or not but as soon as that date is there it's going to be really remarkable for the automotive industry is right because we already know that norway is completely you cannot buy an internal combustion engine in norway today into those and in one thousand right now they're worrying about internal combustion engines not being produced hippos breaks that i would think a good old adage food related since your bears deal a billion dollars at least as we spend on branding and lobbying by these sorts of companies what is the rule of law being for the internal combustion engines against what you just said there are two kinds of laws. one is the lobbying that companies oil and gas or any other company of any other sector does directly on its own and that's already bad enough if it is against climate change science and policy but the other i think watch more pernicious lobbying is the lobbying that is done by

associations of particular sectors where companies are members behind which they can then hide that is even more pernicious because if they're going to be very straightforward and take a position in front of policy then let them stand up to bat and let them stand to the public price that any company would pay for that kind unacceptable so you get to give it up to dinner all the time as his big companies we have as a billion dollars presumably having someone like you favor some element of climate change would be useful how does the lobby actually work at the coalface if you pardon the metaphor because politicians are on the record in european countries and capitals for having. meetings with these big groups that say climate change is a hoax yeah i actually think that it's even worse in the united states and i

think that is the reason why oil and gas companies in the united states can afford to still be as completely irresponsible as they are because the lobbying fear really is having a much much stronger effect on policy because there is a white house that is listening to a lot in europe and lobbying i think is beginning to move because they're beginning to understand that there is opportunity for them in a new low carbon or no carbon economy and it's not quite as primitive as it is in the united states that is one part of the reason the other part of the reason why oil and gas companies in europe can move faster than the united states is because the shareholders and the investors in those companies. are actually putting pressure on them and looking back on it or what is the root of green warsh as it's known i mean if you're a customer in a supermarket i don't know what your feeling was when b.p. changed its logo to a flower shell this week is announced seven hundred thousand u.k.

homes are going every new balls critics are saying the three percent discount is too little and i think only the us and five percent of revenue is on renewables how can consumers be aware of whether they're being told the truth i think the truth of some companies is not not of all and i think you know the u.s. doesn't those u.s. based companies are really have very little to to save them but i think most companies. are straddling two realities they're straddling where they came from and let's remember that that's the kind of company they were and they're struggling on the other side where are they going to go without really having a very clear idea of how are they going to totally reinvent themselves but we have to understand that specially with oil and gas companies but also with many other companies in our in related sectors we're in a transition perrie it and transitions are by definition messy now that's the

patient part of me the other part of me which is the impatient part of me knows that what science is saying is what friend out of time we cannot play with these factors anymore we cannot play with these uncertainties we have got to accelerate so and i think that companies understand that as well and are currently caught in the headlights if you well which way do they go for gears thank you very much that's it for the show keep in touch by social media will be back on saturday as well million palestinians much under threat from british back to the bullets on the gaza border to commemorate the one year anniversary of the stop the great bacevich .

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