tv The Alex Salmond Show RT March 28, 2019 2:30pm-3:01pm EDT
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push and the revocation of people's votes a little bit more and the emphasis has been on that but i think it's time for the s.n.p. to pivot away if not they should be have done the best to bring order to the chaos but you know if people frankly don't accept or don't want to continue with chaos but it's time for scotland to get out on to being the safety that we see ireland in denmark and whatever and be an independent country and if a manual thank you very much. the rock on which the prime minister's plan has perished is the irish backstop as this week's parliament exchanges sure she has totally miscalculated to the him and of the democratic unionist opposition to any proposal which displacing northern ireland out of total alignment for the rest of the u.k. doesn't probably mention terms that westminster the d.p. have never been more influential or more successful however even as they dominate the commons alex has been finding out the big do you piece uncompromising approach starting from disquiets back home in northern islands in this show we ask stands
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ulster did. was to a daughter welcome to the alex salmond's show and ali you're very welcome to storm and to northern ireland now you've been a practitioner of the holy bible layoffs politics since nine hundred seventy has a very young man you stood against the bible in paisley what changes have taken place in the background in the undergrowth of political scene over that period over the period of time north america has been transformed we came from a relatively primitive society where there was one party absolutely dominating politics and fifty percent of the population a blip or no say in fact maybe sixty seventy percent of the population of the borough sized not just the catholic community that's right that's right catholic community the protestant working class were all kept out in the worst would be described as big unionism in the sixty's and seventy's and that's why the civil rights movement broke out demanding fair play for. everybody believes days when
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they're the feast it was a stablished in the safe and starman parliament in the north the north korea was that the post of the irish economy and that very significant economy for the whole of the u.k. and the empire well one thousand and twenty the northern economy was eighty percent of the economy of the whole island there was only twenty percent of the economy large their rural economy it had solar direly which became the republic. and yet today that has all flipped it's almost a vast it's almost there are houses of the power houses in the south and the south is all geared very heavily towards new technology by a medical technology information communication technology a lot of multinational companies a foreign direct investment for us our economy here just like they have a deal for those hundred years and looking maybe and more recent times with seem fairly dramatic changes in the rise of shouldn't fail recently and in the in the north of the quien of the. party which you once very successfully lead the
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whole of the conventional ost of unionism the rise of the u.p.a. but there hasn't been that much change in the two big voting blocks just to name some of the day chairs within them yeah well i mean the point was this that and ulster unionist in the late ninety's to say that to make serious soccer pfizer's and we pulled together the good friday agreement the belfast agreement that the load piece to flow here and of created peace that allowed the guts killing to stop . shouldn't be in the d u p were less excited or less enthusiastic about building that agreement in jew course though the communities on each side decided to have an insurance policy so unionism that initially through there with behind a peace process gradually. then sure policy by voting for the hardline d u p a nationalism to go. their insurance policy by voting for hardly ancient thing and
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now you today we have those two groups on the top of mountains if you like shut that each other but doing pray that leads to create the economy that we need here in north america which is why this problem and isn't the biggest enemy in over the past two years adding to this makes breaks has arrived yet how is that changing the fundamental attitudes and then all of the violent wrecks at this changed everything because northern ireland is very vulnerable in the last with the involvement of europe in the last thirty years the island economy here the we had a northern ireland an irish republic and for many years for about seventy years they were very very separate in the last thirty years the economies of integrated so this is interesting in terms of the political tensions because that they do you feel that the dominant party indeed apart from one independent of the only party represents in the westminster from the northern ireland because sinn fein don't take up the seats the bracks has put them in opposition to the majority feelings
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and you know an island which voted to remain in the last what and the one of the consequences of northern ireland voted remain and the agricultural industry and the food processing industrious the most vulnerable here. you know we have a situation where the ulster farmers union even though will do would be substantially supportive of the u.p. are at loggerheads with the b u p because the they are now facing up to the serious damage the breakfast will do to their economic futures and we're having all sorts of strange situations where people who would be very staunch unionists are now setting up their businesses in the south across the border to ensure that they have access to european markets so far many observers a critic that's one have noted that the parliamentary numbers that the of pay a bit a rather successful parliamentary game at westminster but the date may be shuffling quite differently back home in northern ireland the dip. is that that the u.p.a.
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have overplayed their hand in the british in the u.k. context and they've put that priority forced on their main interest is the suffering of the united kingdom the problem is that it's a totally at all do with the interest the economic interests of the man in the street to the woman in the street to northern ireland that's the difficulty i do think it's economic and social protests which will prevail yes the economy oldest profession holds in spite of everything people people people have been enough to eat that people haven't access to education and health care then basically be they begin to place the software d. of the u.k. second or third in their list of them first how does the fact that so many young people not now and through europe i was not good to play when you overlay against the national question young people here and those that are not so young maybe people that were young twenty years ago all were able to access a term or a period and a european university or
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a european institute of education of some sort basically the young people in their teens not feel that the opportunities but shop dine and shut off the one taken away from them that they are being deprived that they are being disadvantaged and bracks that is so i think their future not just their economic future but their potential to build the lib selves but does that for example make a youngster from a protestant community and know an island not just a unit but to the island and thought well people are thinking outside the box and i can't speak for. young unionists or protestants who maybe in the past would have been robustly in favor of the union but i sense my sense is that a number of them are beginning to question their own future and at the end of the day quite simply people who would have been very loyal to westminster in the past and loyal to the u.k. and loyal to the british government are not finding the bizarre. our behavior of
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the british government run breck's it as deeply disillusioning that now still you spent a lifetime in politics as a constitutional nationalist on the trying to achieve a united ireland for strictly constitutional means if i were. to add some of the the billion dollar question put a title scale on i have a shitty fortune estimation be not what i think people like me parked our interest in irish unity. deferred let's say we didn't give up on a budget with the for the good friday agreement in one nine hundred ninety s. it was a bite to giving and taking we made sacrifices they reached government made sacrifices various people made sacrifices to a large space to be created in the middle and up context i wouldn't i would have seen the irish unification been the faired perhaps at twenty thirty five twenty forty i see with braxton to these things the time scale has taken significantly.
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i feel that if there's a bad brax that if there's not a good deal done with the european union then very quickly people will be forced economically to work on the sites i mean to put a very block the i can't spell it out and very specific details but i see a lot of staunch unionist peace supporting businesses setting up subsidiaries in the south to ensure that they have an insurance policy that they have a to. both ways and what do you think that tells us about the time scale for the potential well i think a lot depends on a lot of events there and a lot will depend on their irish government on how they reach art it's all about reaching out it's all about persuading us all about this on their standing us all about accommodating people and creating the tolerance necessary there and that will come a bite to twenty years time in our property for it will be a very different i. i'm from ireland we thought we would create forty years ago and
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certainly the warm up that people thought a hundred years ago that they would create every generation has the right to write its own script and to create its own history and the generation that are now you eighteen or twenty years of beach will be writing the history of this country and twenty years time allow us to my daughter i can't put a timescale in the united ireland but what i can see appearing in alex i'm unsure you're entitled to the quake that had. an irishman quit his scots gallic for loving cup whisky in the quick only scotch whisky and then rainbowy a close friend so well thank you very much that's a small compensation for the scots stealing the whisky from bushmills you know the all these years ago we had these this recipe for a quickie four hundred years ago the scots came over. so this compensates a little but. coming up after the break we speak to some of these young people i was the big dog i was talking about what is their view on the future of this
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province. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sort of go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i want to the new challenge and the fresh perspective i'm used to surprising people and i saw one on t.v. . i'm going to talk about football not the or else you can think i was going to do. by the way what isn't the slide here. sees private companies that have got a lot of p.c. venture capital funding are ready to go public this year i saw the last they're all
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going out of forty fifty sixty seventy billion dollars valuation so the prediction here is that it will be the end of this cycle you're going to have a like two thousand and one style crash and now stack due to the fact that there's nothing to support the valuations of these companies and the value very quickly crashed. i do think the numbers mean so they've matter u.s. has over one trillion dollars of debt more than ten white collar crime families. eighty five percent of global will be loans to the old rich. six percent world market most recently some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and we rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollar ai industrial park but don't let the numbers over. the only number
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you need to remember one one business road you know for the mid one and only boom but. the tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faced only temperament from the inside venezuela things look different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. and this will have a supplement to. the tempest and that political battle psionic known that the people are mad that the moment the focus of the who story isn't new makes him cold in henry kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated that in latin america
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an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make the chilean economy scream so wants now making the economy of venezuela screed. welcome by joined by a group of young people have been organizing a symposium about the future of northern ireland and the future of europe though it's olivia really natalie well be i can i talk to you first you helped organize a suppose you thought was the idea behind the event when were initially came up with the idea of the event didn't involve me and others it was more a bite the young people in our area and inviting schools in our area to really have their say on the uncertainties around bragg's it but more importantly i suppose to emphasize the cultural awareness to the politicians that are there that we're not dealing with here no and small issue here in past time such
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a contentious area and with a large majority of the students who attended the symposium applying to university sometimes cite some over and then some of broad you know via the ross miss program for example the symposiums and ways to get information and to get a feel from the crowd if you like and from young people in general by what their opinion is and said and arguably be damaging a fact that it's going to help for not only our community but communities throughout northern ireland so it was the feeling of the symposium. it was overwhelmingly you know the majority i'd say maybe ninety five percent of people there were in favor of me and it's quite telling in itself and northern ireland there's this perception that a lot of maybe unionists would be in favor of leaving the european union. with a lot of the unionist protestant schools there who are actually more inclined or more more favorable towards the union or the european union so that was
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a surprise for you natalie that there was such a unity of opinion among the. symposium in a way it was surprising yes but given the. history of northern ireland and the fact that we're just hearing from thirty years of conflict i'm not surprised a lot of young people did. seemed to worry a boy perhaps coming back. to direct. i think a lot the young people who were against leaving the european union because they didn't want those divides to arise again and therefore that we were all united and you know all of us probably ninety percent of the young people were united in wanting to remain in the european union. you know for seventeen eighteen years old if you forward to going to divest it somewhere it was program but elsewhere are you conscious very conscious that you know your life time has been spent on the eve of comparative peace and this brother this with if you'd been twenty years older you've had
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a totally different experience oh dane i mean definitely you know northern ireland years ago. was a completely different place to what it is now i mean you know we're lucky enough way is a group of individuals and part of our generation have never had to deal with kind of level of conflict or you know combat if you like i think thought to be increasing uncertainty of the times in which we live this idea of no hard border maybe a hard border definitely creates tension that or perhaps underlying perhaps husht before and definitely brings them to the four of you know a lot of fears and young people's minds of the idea that those divisions were once there could be recreated a really i know from speaking to you've got you know i said i'm going to dublin for university education when you look at the compassing where your horizons the so i
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think more amazed to hear more about the i'm a good dublin of scotland or else we haven't you got i mean that's an interesting question i mean you look here in northern ireland with no parliament you look over the u.k. . parliament building. and that's looking pretty empty today when you can you know just supposedly live. i mean i'm sure. sure the free bargains are available but no sense talk for a while. and then so we no real representation here when we look over to the u.k. parliament over the commons you such a lack of confidence you know you look at the cabinet of the prime minister and you wonder you know what are they turn to they do they really care about living you know the young people in northern ireland as a nationalist for me i'm not actually being represented over there they're only m.p.'s we have our do you pay sylvie arman. know that i think some of the champion and peace don't take their seats so for me my voice in westminster where bracks that is the real issue brought us an interesting point in empty parliament and
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a part of your not your community at least not that i represented at this place in the u.k. government is going well you are made of a black city of the very few people would describe as organized over the last year or two at the sat. a difference in how young people normal regard to westminster seeing the destiny of these armies government and definitely i'd say that the lack of government organization in parliament at the minute is very very evident and not just within the government but also within the opposition and i don't feel like we have many good options in terms of government in westminster and for that reason i believe a united ireland is becoming more appealing and i feel like the government on side has it kind of more together than the government in westminster and i would have previously been a unionist before bracks it but given all the uncertainty that it brought i know i would be more leaning towards united ireland because presumably in generation quite
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apart from any religious divide. the impression of london strength against dublin weakness and political this must be a fight and be high people judged for the to be in the union with with united kingdom or united ireland that must have been a fight to. what do you think about that livia well i think this idea that you know it was argued before that for such a long time that you know westminster government is the best government for everyone and it is solved reading and speaking as a nationalist and i've never had that opinion but i mean with the involvement of the arts parliament i and you have these amazing figures here just such inspirational politicians and i think you know the name a few live rock or for for us our you know obviously irish politics and the dimension suppose the face of our politics is significantly changed and i think that's certainly more appealing for unionist voters here in the north but more
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importantly it's a painting on a brags that basis because i think the economic fears of what's going to happen here definitely accelerate the desire for united art and even among unionists and really you think they're the day for young people that the economics will prevail because it will translate economics and to opportunity which obviously is uppermost in all three if you of my you know what am i going to do with my life yeah even just basic travel opportunities you know you know my i just want to go and explore the world explore europe on the mean of those options are being kept on going to talk of the economy you know they want to jobs that maybe european provided about thirty forty fifty years ago and across europe. on both ways you know european citizens coming over to the u.k. and u.k. so it's going to be your. problem if i don't to the economy but again those things often as you've been talking so much let's just imagine this building was occupied . at the present moment who would your message be to the political leaders of
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northern ireland well i would tell the political leaders of northern ireland. they should put all their divisions aside and try and be cohesive and work together to provide the best future for northern ireland this is a crucial time in our country's history and really. well let's say the franchise that of having to wait till you were eighteen sixteen and scott would be eighteen to vote limited the franchise is. over twenty five was allowed to go what do you think then just the under twenty five voting no about what they would have to do that the society would change dramatically yeah obviously the younger people have more liberal views you know you look at parties like the two you can see they're represented by an older generation you know a generation to be stuck in the past stuck in the troubles with you know some bitterness here trying to you know you look you look at the young people today i mean the notion posy and we saw all that you know older generations look and i think that young people shouldn't have
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a voice because they don't know what they're talking about but we saw that people do you know people understand politics you know they want to have a voice in a positive and you saw livio. point when we look at the changes have been taking place in the public the social changes the equal marriage legislation that i thought in the secularization of southern of the society is that an influence and hope people regard ireland the northern island and the south well i think you know you definitely get the sense of stasis some paralysis in the north compared to the site i mean there's a precedent for. you know the repaying of the if amendment. you can say there that there's a demand for change and there's a demand for liberalization and progress which it to me it's just it's certainly stimulating and quite upsetting when you see the difference you know a border makes in the sense of progress for society and i think that certainly in the last three years living here in northern ireland you tend to get this vision of
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everywhere else progressing and certainly being stuck in a time of. c.m. clash to free a few the. elsewhere across the world you know schoolkids have been on strike to save the planet and you've been organize. but it could be both of course but of course the basic the do you think is the symposium of the strike i think we have to deal with the current and open our eyes in the sense that this is not going to go away it's not a case of you know it's such a worry and being pricing on a certain day and the anxiety that brags it brings it's an issue that needs to be dealt with no i presently i mean of course there's so many important political issues that young people get their attention to every day but at the end of the day i think we all feel that this is i think a crisis is an appropriate word for the situation that we find ourselves in the
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hospital with appropriately called here and then the world has changed color i would say open your eyes and that's good change coming i think so i think you look around you look at young people you know they're their world back but they're well they're in the trend and so you know and then five years time not fully if you cared to hold another symposium with the looking at a totally different perspective hopefully there is a nice perspective with a northern ireland and i just like to say that young people are the problem young people are the solution to this crisis and that case not to leave go to libya thank you very much thank you. a little over a decade ago i had the last the assembly people in that building behind us in the senate part of the building at the invitation of the revenue ian paisley as first minister of northern ireland and his deputy martin mcguinness and at that time the democratic unionist party and shouldn't fein were just of chief dominance over their sections of the political communities of northern ireland and they remain
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dominant to this day so when we talk about no niall and di interview pm piece from the green knight site the house of commons campaigning for breaks or reinterview shouldn't thing from dublin campaigning for a united ireland. and these programs we're looking at what's happening below the surface and northern irish politics at the very substantial implications that bracks that is bringing to various parts of the community how business people are looking at the future of people looking at the board of issues but of the farmers of law and i want to additionally the unionist bulwark are still thinking in that direction given the fret the livelihoods and above all was spoken to some of the young people and when we speak and engage with them that i've got the very distinct to buy that if they want to not assemble in a few years time then they're out to cheat death perceptions and their vision of the future of this province would be entirely different from what i saw ten years ago i think better certainly different so from tasmania myself and all of the show
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