brigs it heads for another cliffhanger more delays with the u.k. prime minister saying that she will seek a further extension to the withdrawal period while offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition in a bid to break the deadlock. financing terror hungary says that its port a senior islamic state commander posing as a refugee had been issued with a prepaid debit card under an e.u. scheme to help newcomers. spain struggles with an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants arriving by sea we speak live this hour to an investigative journalist who interviewed a people smuggler. it's

a busy news hour this is our teams and national thanks for joining us. first this hour the u.k. prime minister's offer to sit down with the leader of the opposition jeremy corbyn in a bid to try and break the brig's it impasse treason may also announce that she'll try to go further short extension of the withdrawal period with the e.u. leaders next week's european council meeting the process that the house of commons has tried. has not come up with an answer. so today i am taking action to break the logjam i've offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition and to try to agree a plan that we would both stick to to ensure that we leave the european union and that we do so with a deal. because my morality director of pangea wire joins me on the line now good

even close man from what you've heard of trees a base statement or intentions what do you think is this going to bring the u.k. any closer to bragg's it. i think it seems very baffling to me that after seven hours with a couple of the best thing you can read to a sudden a conversation with the leader of the opposition if this is the right move it should have been done in my opinion a long long time. in that issue of fog all these debates and all these questions and all these deadlines for they actually triggered off fifty to begin with because without a clear idea of definitional briggs it is then this is the chaos we can only expect . from what we've heard of jeremy corbyn feels about briggs which as i understand isn't how much can you imagine a scenario in which he would actually be able to agree with the reason why on some kind of deal martin. in general have had two years to greet some sort of move forward and if you include all of the actual voting in the big to

votes we see from out there there is no cohesive idea of what to do moving forward so the most that we can expect in my opinion out of these talks is more delay and more confusion the real thing in which we need to do is really find out what is the main. main way forward and speaking to the leader of the of the opposition such a late stage i don't think will you know prove any any useful fruit do you have a feeling of where this is going at this stage the clock to say the clock is ticking that's a huge understatement really running out of time to come up with a deal where do you think we are heading now. i think that's a very good question it's a question of three's amazing chance for all this time of it for but i think if we continue going down this route and not really taking any real actionable steps forwards then we're not going to get anywhere time is going to team moving forward and all this talk about the no deal happening and all these things is just going to stress people out interest rate people even more i think with dramatic you know

occurrences dramatic things need to happen and if that's calling for a second referendum then i think that is what should happen fundamentally now many people may be against this and think that we all hear very often it's just get on with it i think you have to understand is that we've been trying to get on with it for the last two years and was actually mean in practice no one has and it was actually arthur still saying that statement blindly doesn't need to any sum any kind of actual you know way forward. we've seen a pace putting forward. a customs union a single market with the e.u. in essence that means no bugs it i mean they're still working with the european union how do you dress it up do you think the people who voted for briggs should be concerned. i think the whole country should be concerned already the people voted for bricks because even when they voted i don't know what idea they had in their mind as to what the u.k.

would look like post briggs said what kind of world they would have been magine the vision wasn't painted very clearly for anyone to really see and people get very upset when this is said but i think that is the truth we had so many m.p.'s on the side of breaks it all giving their own versions of what you know the way you kill would look like only giving you know lip service to you know the romantic ideal of the noble heart or independence that can all these things that really concretely painting a real picture of what the actual terms would be and how we live our lives towards broker so not only people who voted to leave but everyone is very frustrating. been great to have you on appreciate your time and your views close marotta my guest director of bungee awhile. thank you for. the hungary government's claiming a suspected jihadist to enter to europe as a refugee and that he was given a prepaid debit card by the european union the bloc issued some sixty four thousand such cards thing you come as party spring to oliver explains. imagine

a suspected islamic terrorist receiving aid money meant for refugees not just any terrorist a senior eisel commander and not just any money a new tax payer money and it gets worse reports say that he received a monthly payment of five hundred euros on his debit card that's well over today's gross minimum wage in hungary these prepaid cards are issued to a joint project between the united nations and the european union that's supposed to be a strict screening process in place to make sure that only those eligible have access to the funds but this wouldn't be the first time that a suspected terrorist hiding among refugees that inadvertently been given taxpayer money.

the european commission insists that the prepaid debit cards are not just handed out to anyone that they know exactly who these cards are being distributed to and check up on their status on a monthly basis so hungry is wondering why did brussels not know that they were funding a suspected terrorist this not only creates another poll it also raises serious security concerns the citizens of europe have a right to know the problem of how to provide much needed funding and aid to refugees in europe isn't an easy one to solve but it's cases like these that fuel the popularity of anti immigration parties across the continent and with a new parliamentary elections coming up next month question is will the establishment. artie's dealt another blow because lapse of the territory that

so-called isis was holding it will generate more people trying to get in through and that's why very carefully orchestrated an internationally coordinated this is where international cooperation is key i think the threat for a period of time will grow because foreign fighters will start to come back but i think what we're seeing no with. isis and with al qaeda is we're seeing a time of transition they will transition into something different this is a very very dangerous and very difficult period we need to monitor the transition very closely to be able to identify and track. the sort of coming through and to run intelligence operations or trying to identify those unknown terrorists that are potentially coming into europe and elsewhere in the world. last year spain witnessed a record number of migrant arrivals by sea with many of them helped to cross by

people smugglers in most claim to be the first ever interview with human traffickers from morocco a man told political activists laurenson that living people from north africa to europe is a hugely lucrative business. how do you get this thing. people have to have to spend a lot of money they had to spend two thousand you know. four thousand for four thousand euro two thousand for a few how much money you make. from the door to spain where you know. every person you can have two thousand two thousand for your four thousand you the totality fifty person you have to go fifty person to fifty person everybody by two thousand five hundred or two thousand five. hundred. planes be one of the major gateways to europe from africa the international

organization for migration claims so far this year alone five thousand six hundred migrants arrived in spain via sea twenty eight hundred sixty five thousand made the crossing leaving the spanish coast guard struggling to cope with the massive influx . play second speak now live to lawrence of the new film that interview with the moroccan smuggler lauren great to have you on fascinated to hear more about your experience first of all how on earth did you get this interview sounds like potentially it modder been difficult to get even dangerous. know one certainly does not just rock up into morocco and get an interview with a member of a massive criminal syndicate it was not an easy task it took us about a week of having people on the ground who we hired as fixers who spoke multiple languages and raible to gain trust within some of the migrant communities and eventually found as someone who worked within the smuggling ring. his specific role

the individual i interviewed is he just is kind of a money handler for the boss he goes and he finds clients and he finds clients in senegal or other countries are on the ground he takes a portion of the money gives it to the boss and then the boss gets the boats together and how the whole business works is they actually end up having a few people here and there that they have to pay off including what we heard later which you'll see in the full documentary members of the iraq in coastal security to make sure parts of the coast are clear for these boats to leave and at times he's saying it's around five hundred to a thousand people imagine how much money you're making it's one hundred thirty thousand euros per boat i mean you can ten boats in a day you're making one point three million dollars why is no one talking about this massive criminal syndicate. doing shocking stuff huge amounts of money and we

heard in the clip that we just played prior to the interview what two and a half thousand euros kind of minimum mentioned per immigrant do these people get these amounts of money is that a lot of money for them are we talking about life savings here. two and a half yet twenty five hundred euros up to four thousand euros if you want to guaranteed a trip so if you want to just say one time go the boat sinks whatever you're going to be paying minimum if you want guarantee where you keep trying until you make it it's such a business that there are literally different tiers to what you can pay to get on these boats to spain and this is a lot of money the type of people that we were meeting in these camps they are not the poorest of the poor in africa these are not the refugees of course some of them are coming from terrible areas but they are selling their house they do have money to spend to make this trip so there's a lot of december mation going on here first of all that this is some sort of

refugee crisis a lot of these people they are economic migrants they are selling their houses and bringing their life savings to come to spain a lot of them are contacted by the traffickers first and offer to deal not fleeing it's a massive misconception that has led to a lot of the open borders talk within europe. and it's. it's crazy to me to think that anyone has been portraying this as well certainly on the moroccan or turkish side of libyan side as a humanitarian aid crisis this is almost entirely a business and anyone you speak to on the ground migrant trafficker or otherwise will tell you this is a business they are not looking to help people they don't care if you're persecuted they don't care about your race religion your gender in fact women are turned away often in some of these camps which you'll see is talk about more in the documentary it has to do with how much money you can pay do you think persecuted young children

in africa are going you think people trying to flee with nothing are going to be able to put together this money they aren't savings and now they're paying twenty five hundred four thousand euros to get on a boat to end up homeless on the streets of paris because a trafficker tried to sell them a promise of a europe that would accept them with open arms that would instantly make them a citizen that would have jobs and free housing available for them when none of this is the reality i'm guessing lauren that these traffic is a part of a bigger organization do we know ultimately where the money paid to them goes to does it does it add to morocco does it go to spain. the trafficking syndicates are far and wide and i am just one person that was able to speak to one small part of this of course we do a wider investigation into where this money goes to within the documentary but there really needs to be some more government investigation into this and some more media investigation into where this money is going we do know of course that there

are connections with the mafia repeatedly we were being told on the ground that there were connections all over morocco with different mafias in turkey with mafias we've heard that there is connection with the italian mafia and those in libya there are certainly drug smuggling that goes on with these shipments of people but this is what do you think this money is going towards this money isn't going towards the poor this isn't going towards helping refugees this isn't going towards an aid crisis this money is going to games this money is going to criminals it is going to mafia the kind of people that would be involved in the trafficking of children the slavery in libya this kind of stuff is where the money would be going to it's not going to government organizations or n.g.o.s as far as the traffickers are concerned the ngos role is just they are the last step of their business plan to help pick up a package and that's what these people are to them there is simply

a package to make money off of and the ngos are just the last step in that process of making sure their packages safely delivered to europe ok i just want to quickly play a clip from your interviews part of the documentary i think in this poll the people smuggler mentions of. the boss lists of a list. the moroccan man. or you get both. then you have to go to that they can go to the big. into to do. the business did you ultimately find out lauren who was being talked about here. what we figured from all of our conversations was they've got a bit of a system going on where you have different camps all in the mountains of morocco that are usually split based on background so you'll have a senegalese camp a gambian camp a nigerian camp and of those camps you'll have

a leader of that camp that will speak to the smuggling trafficking boss who arranges the boats to show up on shore now the moroccan man we assume at the moment that the coast guard would leave because we were told multiple times by people on the ground that there is a cut that people on the coast moroccan coast guard received to stop patrolling certain areas so that boats can leave from spain so this is a quite. intelligent business this isn't just a few people fleeing their country desperately getting on dinghies trying to get to spain this is a very structured business with many different levels and steps involved and many different people getting paid off to ensure that this corruption continues now there's been a bit of a shutdown in tangier the very close point to gibraltar. but a lot of the trafficking has now gone down to a new door which is the further point where they try to go up to through and

through other routes like that new door is where we actually spoke to this trafficker and that business is just beginning to get more and more solidified so they're just kind of growing their syndicate at the moment it used to be all in tangier that quite shut down and now it's a growing syndicate in the door that is currently the largest trafficking route to europe since then if i'm a lawyer and is purported from official figures sixty five thousand migrants arrived in spain via c. . last year how in your opinion of the authorities dealing with the situation all the coping. from what i've seen it's almost widely ignored there's not much the authorities can do i don't doubt that some want to do something about this however most of these migrants and this causes chaos for both the spanish and for the migrants themselves on the advice of traffickers are told

to throw their passports into the sea or destroy them before entering spain and we actually saw it with our own eyes passports that had been ripped up on the ground in these camps in morocco and the reason they do this is so that once they set foot in spain they have no way of being deported but what this also achieves is that there is no way of processing these migrants they can't be imagine how long it takes to process a person that has offered all of their history their passport their work their banking records it still takes five six seven years to get citizen citizenship in a country a person rocking up with not even a passport how are they supposed to get processed how are they supposed to get a job or become a citizen or even be seen as a refugee so the police can't deal with this influx of people because they can't even identify who they are and the migrants cannot become

a part of the european system because on the advice of these traffickers they threw out their passports assuming they would be entering a europe that is far more they imagine is far more wealthy and far more like paradise than it actually is the reality is these people end up on the streets in france they end up on the streets in italy in spain unable to get a job unable to join the actual society because they can't be processed as citizens so the police can do what they want but there's not much they can achieve when these people cannot be identified. lauren good to speak to really appreciate it on my guest lauren so then invest of journalist and documentary filmmaker just very quickly where can people check your documentary. you can find it on my you tube channel if you just look up lauren southern borderless it'll be there mid may. speak to you and thank you. cheers. ok let's get more our top story this hour the u.k. prime minister's latest bid to break the briggs's deadlocks let's go to london our

correspondents are he's been following events from westminster. thought the pair might resign maybe call a general election instead we've got this talk of a further extension needed and perhaps talking to the opposition leader if he agrees to it. or what more can you tell us. salute the prime minister to resume a holding martha and seven hour talks with cabinet members and coming out of it and sensually putting all the onus on the leader of the opposition jeremy corbyn because she can find a way forward as well to perhaps not as extreme an extent but still both parties divided on this issue and so in order to try to find a way through she gave a speech to the nation and the sensually offered to sit down with the leader of the opposition jeremy corbin to try to find a path forward. the process that the house of commons has tried to lead has not come up with an answer. so today i am taking action to break the logjam i'm

offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition and to try to agree a plan that we would both stick to to ensure that we leave the european union and that we do so with a deal now it would appear that this is an attempt a political attempt to try to put all the onus on mr corbin to say well we're headed for a no deal bragg's it on april twelfth and if we don't find a way forward it will be because you didn't want to find a way forward but we've been hearing from mr corbett himself this evening and he's saying that if only to represent the views of perhaps remainders or other people who voted for the labor party at the last election he was willing to sit down with the prime minister. we recognise that she has made the move i recognise. my responsibility to represent the people that supported labor in the last election and the people who didn't support labor but nevertheless want

certainty and security for their own future and that's the basis on which we will meet and we'll have those discussions. but the prime minister is insisting that her withdrawal agreement that's been rejected three times already by parliament is the only deal on the table so it remains to be seen what exactly she wants to speak to mr corbett about he's whipped his m.p.'s to vote against a deal all through times he supports a customs union whereas the prime minister doesn't and on a number of issues when it comes to briggs that they just don't see eye to eye so unless the prime minister is willing to shift in her position it remains to be seen exactly how she hopes achieve anything from these talks so corresponds to learning solly with the latest brags that developments think. the u.s. supreme court has ruled an inmate on death row has no right to a less painful death. the eighth amendment does not guarantee a prisoner a painless death something that of course isn't guaranteed to many people including

most victims of capital crimes the supreme court's response was rest to russell buckley from missouri who was sentenced to death for murder in one nine hundred ninety seven buckley who has a rare form of blood vessel malformation that could cause him to suffocate and drown in his own blood if a lethal injection was used he asked the court to replace the injection with gas but his request was rejected. well death by lethal injection comes in three stages first they said that if drugs injected too nice the ties the prisoner after approximately ten minutes a paralytic drug follows leading to the suffocation of the person a third injection stops the heart however there can be mistakes by the doctors which can make prisoners feel pain and sometimes the process has lasted several hours according to statistics ninety seven percent of all lethal injections are botched causing suffering to the person.

i don't know if it was humane or not that's all you could do it you could either not watch or you could. look at the execution that was clearly not going as planned. so at that point a decision was made to insert one central line into the growing area which is what they did. i can understand or i believe the term i used with a colleague last night was by far the most wise one that i could see.

and i'm joined on the line now by jerry given sues the chief execution for the state of virginia for seventeen years have you all jerry from your experience you what's your opinion do you think prison the should have the right to choose the way that they are executed. yes. they should and should be able no bolland two year basis because of the fact that you have so many people that's been exonerated especially here in the united states that were guilty at all didn't commit a crime. so the guys that confessed to their crimes you know they should. you're now an advocate for the abolition of the death penalty but the cream court saying that capital punishment shouldn't be painless what do you think of that

ruling. well supreme court don't have to carry out the executions the people that have the care of the executions the war and it's up to the pain that can be a moment to suffer for a moment for short period of time into the chemicals kick in the electricity kick into whatever what have you but the people that have to live with this the rest of our lives but this pain inside of them is the people at kirby's things out and we don't consider that and i don't know why they don't consider that. it's been claimed by academic seven percent of all lethal injections abortion it doesn't go to. not not really but you're dealing with. inexperienced people the current hold of professional task. we know where you're dealing with medications and syringes things of that nature you tell them by

medical personnel training personnel experience personnel but they can't be involved in stuff like this because it's against their code of ethics so you can't have that person so you get inexperienced people doing. these things that will cause them to make mistakes and you can blame them for that. why are the authorities not doing more to prevent these mistakes presumably when it goes wrong. it's pretty pretty appalling situation then i'm. well my my thing is this is a revenge is about getting even dust that's all i can. trace it down to it comes down to good even making sure that this person will never go out and commit another crime. he had an incident that happened i believe was in or high you. or this

guy was. was executed. and then actually he died of cardiac arrest. so he suffered a heart attack. a man only gurney and if you have a doctor present at the execution didn't nation of stepped in to try to. bribe this guy you know to try to save him but no one did anything i think you just lay there and suffer. in your opinion what would be a more humane way of carrying out a sentence. mo. when you look at their fit. like that tell everyone we all have a death sentence we all would die one day this and that made through. this

course let them down natural causes let them suffer through prison when a person is on death row in there for the guys that the sixty two guys are valid have executed. when they come to me they're ready be here we're already up you know.