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stay with us now live close to discussing the presidential election in ukraine. all things considered i'm peter lavelle a comedian has won the first round of ukraine's presidential election. doesn't have strong policy positions maybe that was his greatest appeal though he made it clear corruption is ukraine's biggest challenge fixing ukraine's are very serious problems is no laughing matter. crosstalk in ukraine i'm joined by my guest. in london he is a political consultant and foreign affairs analyst also in london we have alexander make us he used to director and writer for the duran. com and in sonoma california

we cross to john jordan he is a political strategist right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it well one of my rules of my program is that we go to the person that got up early as for this program and that goes to john good morning i hope you had your coffee my first question is what kind of game changer is this election in ukraine it's far from over but we have a comedian that won the largest number of votes and we'll talk about the people that weren't allowed to vote in this election as well go ahead john in sonoma. it's there are troops that primary factors of this campaign as you pointed out is the anti corruption message which is clearly resident in the other piece of this which hasn't been talked about so much is language there are two pieces to ukraine while there's a strong national identity there's been language bills making ukrainian the primary language blocking russian language websites and so forth this is illegal skeet is a russian speaker although he is

a ukrainian patriot and he may actually his ace in the hole here may be the fact that he does very very well with the russian speakers and then splits the ukrainian speakers with mr poroshenko ok alan tenner make me. creating a schismatic orthodox church i guess that didn't go too down too well with the electorate because at the end of the day if you look at the disenfranchised three million russians living in ukrainians living in russia that weren't allowed the franchise he got in you take into account the turnout he got about nine percent of vote has flew full and very flat because he has set himself up as the strong national leader leading ukraine in this conflict with russia and it's quite clear looking at how ukrainians voted that they don't want more war that they don't like the economic crisis that ukraine is still enough in the country still facing an

industrial recession wages still fully they don't like the corruption and those all the issues that really concern them nor all these national issues that poroshenko for the election on and it seems to me that you're perfectly right to say that selenski doesn't have any very clear policy positions so the way to understand this election is not soo much as of the fall of the lenski yes as a vote against poroshenko and all the things that part of shame. stands for which is really the line ukraine has been following since the events in mind done in february two thousand and fourteen so it is an affair a repudiation of that policy and you're perfectly correct if those millions of ukrainians who are now in russia had been able to vote they wouldn't probably vote even offers of lenski and poroshenko his share of the vote would have been even

less in radio is going to you in london it was quite remarkable it was still could happen but it was remarkable that you didn't have tory you newland visiting during this election here i mean there was no overt western support of puerto shank oh though he was their candidate when he ran the first time go ahead in london. well that's very true i do agree with you but i think the last month scandal with the defense procurement scared out of americans from being involved in supporting the support of junko and so we have the. previous guest rightly that we have a two dimensional win for mr zinni to keep first of all is the. corruption is kind of the root related to the end of the fence procurements related to the son of the close of business partner mr poroshenko and the other one is the fact that mr leask is a well known actor and he claimed

a president and he and then he syria called servant of the people and so and and the main character who is the historian had a lecture. live became a president because of the fact that he was against the corruption so i think that those. serious originating with the moods and the spirit within the ukrainian society which doesn't want to see any longer professional politicians who are more opposite and they want to see an ordinary man because mrs i think these are ordinary man and his campaign was conducted through the social media and it certainly resonated with the young generation so i think that if this can be the same. president same as with regard to bernie sanders gregson or mr donald trump the people are shifting throned or professional politicians now

to the people who are easily accessible all resonate with the general mood of the nation and misses and indeed is resonating with the general mood of the nation you know john let's go back to california i mean we hear that's a very good point that we just heard here because the you had yulia timoshenko obviously. i mean these people have been in ukrainian politics and governments for the last decade and a half i mean they've certainly known quantities here and this is a rejection of the dominant political class because well they tried it with the orange revolution they tried it with them i don but they're still not. serving up the goods as it were to the population because of the trade policies that ukraine has against russia against its own national interest here i think that there are other people there are many people are saying the status quo cannot stand somebody has to stand in do it now and if he can create

a power base and support and attract institutional support those are all huge questions go ahead in california. absolutely this is an election which is more against something than for him things that was i don't see is essentially an empty vessel in a lot of ways with poorly articulated if at all policy positions but he played it he is the character he plays on television which is remarkable but this is about this is about being against the status quo this is english vernacular vernacular we call it a screw it election this is trump all over again now can he survive will there be well with mr list i think mr zalewski wins this election but how he how he fares is an open question because the entrenched bureaucracy in all of our key is going to be very very hard to remove now if the ukrainian economy were very strong it would be harder for him to win and easier for mr pershing co but i just don't see how mr bush and goings on alexander macarius is going to you in london with the fat lady

has been sung i'm so i guess i'm going to get in a lot of trouble i suppose it's politically incorrect to say but i said it we still have around to here and push and go has enormous enormous administrative resources and particularly in the media here. it's not beyond the realm of possibility that some event some provocation could still come into play here. absolutely i mean it is not over there is still is known a second round mr poroshenko knows ukrainian politics very well he's got all the leavers that he can press paul president of ukraine he has massive resources behind him and of course he's also now maneuvering selenski into a t.v. debate where he will probably as the more experienced candidate hope to win points against selenski nonetheless the fact remains that selenski has polled almost twice

as many votes as aura shanker he's riding the rejectionist the anti-establishment vote in ukraine and on li which you sought that the people who voted for the surge and forced candidates mrs to machine co and mr boyd call are more likely to support him in the second round so i think it would be an upset a major upset if selenski doesn't win but the problem is it's all very well to say you know that he's this populist candidate who's winning because he is against things i think the problem is given the problems of ukraine what you need is not someone who is just you know a vote because he's a negative you need a somebody who has a sort of more transcendental mobility to take ukraine's problems moving forward has the political weight in north or ity to actually start to address them

at this moment in time aren't far from sure that's pretty mildly there's a lenski is that person i'll get in are wait and see but you know our i have no great that he is going to be able to make much of an impression even if he wins yeah or ukrainian some of their hopes have been dashed time and again ever since their india. and in there and really it's talk about the nine hundred pound gorilla in the corner and that. the all of. the. well there are sources people report make claims that there is a very close to and we know what that means that the oligarchy will continue to shift and mold the politics of ukraine the very origins of ukraine's problems are these people and the way they run the economy for themselves by the way go ahead in london. well. i would be very skeptical were. you know.

the lewinsky is a part of the insane i don't say puppet i didn't say puppet go no i'm just i'm just relating to the you know the newspapers here in london and in the united states calling him a puppet so with all due respect i just want to make clear that the fact of the channel one plus one all by mr cole moyse q where some of the people he syria's were. playing are the main character is the one thing also this program the voice of strong support with regards to its t.v. star but does that mean that he will be in the pocket of the mystical more ski well oh this is the new because probably you know in the united states and western europe also i got to jump in here i'll let you finish in return we'll go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on ukraine state with our king.

so security council should have a mandatory one percent of all stock bonds for exams actions to go into social security so that every individual will say when they become eighteen they've got fifty sixty seven thousand dollars and there that they can go spend out of college if they want to do that so that is a that is an extra analogy of this economy that's being recycled repurposed regenerated into an ecosystem an economy that is like more mimics that of nature. u.s. veterans who come back from war often seem stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers. they're already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the sugar eventually that says we're going to attack and just. the governments and seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with them money those with

their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort for easiness for. i think the number. they've matter to us is over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime happens. eighty five percent of global wealth you long for the old bridge eight percent world market thirty percent somewhat one hundred to five hundred first second per second and this one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars. but don't let the numbers over. the only number you need to remember one one this is you know the one and only.

welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing ukraine. ok let's go back to in london here right before we do the break we were talking about the influence of that could hit me on this candidate here i would like to posit something for our. members of the panel here i think a lot of business interests are really sick and tired of how puerto shango has steered the economy and and also has a great deal to do with the official care of as i call it. post my down here and there there. attitude towards russia well it is really wrecked havoc on the economy

in theory you know you can redirect the economy countries like ana me in a different direction but the european union certainly is not interested in much of what ukraine makes and and the official kiev has been denied the russian market it seems to me that and i'm not singing the praises of color money scheme but i'm sure people like him are saying look this this is a dead end we're not going to be embraced by the european union any time soon with considering all of its problems there has to be some kind of approach moment with russia and i know that's very hard in ukraine right now but there seems to be an opening at least. in london go ahead. the that was a very good point i've made in a my report presented for the. the sanctions on russia who are saying that in order to resolve the ukrainian problem ukrainian people need both europe and russia because this is

a country which is leaning both over the way which is european union and this is a desire who yung joc younger generation of young people but that and also. eastern potus aligning towards the other towards the russia and i think that the the unifier mr zinni gave a list of all of them is a is an entity is a perfect state for doing this i mean we have to understand that no one is capable of problems and crow and mentality problems with gender bending society within one day or even one term so it is ridiculous to say that old mr poroshenko almost does it if you will resolve something you know it is if there is a base not only a political base or business base but it is the desire within the society than the real change can happen and this is what is going to be and i would just point out to my other colleagues in the panel that the political conclusions are kind of

collations which were. done before breakfast and and coming to power for president on no trump because they fail and i think that does the same template will be. applied to mr zelinsky so it is unfair to use the the old rules of the new game the new generation my generation is fed up with the professional politicians and people who are well known within the political sphere and political clout in someone from the people and who can speak the language of other people because most of the people who are interested in prosperity and the devil opened of their countries. and this is what just like every well everywhere else in the world here john you know it would be very difficult because of the political discourse in ukraine now and the ukrainian ization that is pushed so hard with his. very dubious allies these militia groups and far right is but it didn't serve him well in the

first round of the election and maybe this is what others are going to say is that this track is not working we have to try something else go ahead in california. you know they're in the late mr zilinskas path to victory over there to ukraine's or the russian speaking part and there's the ukrainian speaking part which is the unskilled is a russian speaker but he's also come out what allow the russian speaking people to be marginalized but he also speaks ukrainian as and is acceptable to the ukrainian speakers so he will carry it did do overwhelmingly well in the south east ukraine where it is predominately russians big and then he split the other part of ukraine with mr poroshenko now the big question here the nine hundred pound gorilla in the room is what does this mean for russia and also for my country the united states the fact the matter is that western europe and the european common market has sold out the ukraine i mean they're building the north stream pipeline they want russian gas and thereby it has the ukraine the ukraine is only being kind of used by the

west as a foil to putin but they've really it's really been disappointing how europe has treated ukraine well. you know your past look at its own national interests and and i would point out to our audience is that north stream and south stream in these other pipelines were only built because ukraine showed itself to be an unreliable energy partner and they would they had no choice but to do it ok well no i mean ukraine destroyed the pipelines they siphon did they stole gas they didn't want to paying for godsake i remember twice the day to you know two years in a row a new year's crane ended up being not a reliable partner and and russia continues to ask the ukrainians holding the bag it was the ukrainians themselves that did it and they have to be able to work with russia and and the european union because you know what its aim between it's always been in between and you going to be curious way and. yes i mean i think mr lensky

needs to do is he needs to end this conflict in eastern ukraine and things out with the russians he needs to reestablish. normal commercial links with russia so as to revive the ukrainian economy he has to end the conflict to bring the right wing militias all these various armed men that there are in ukraine or this very heavy national atmosphere nationalist atmosphere that in exists in ukraine to bring that under control only if he does those things will he realistically be able to deal with these issues of corruption and of these overpowerful all the guards as they're called that have such power in ukraine and bring ukraine to become a normal country as so many people in ukraine want now peas made

some interesting science he's talked about the need is talked about having referendums about nato and e.u. membership which is also a step forward i mean poroshenko tried to embed all these commitments in the ukrainian constitution here he spoke at he's spoken to people in ukraine in russian the russian speakers there. it has made the right signals the big question is given the volatile political history in ukraine the extent to which so many people so many powerful power brokers have been heavily invested in this anti russian policy that has been followed in ukraine since two thousand and fourteen given the large number of armed men there are in ukraine and given the fact that previous governments in ukraine that have tried to tilt the country

towards a more equal relationship between you the e.u. and russia given that those governments are fall'n will he be able to pursue these policies now on the one hand i sense that there isn't. yeah and there is a sense of disillusionment with the policies that have been followed on the other i come back to the point i made before does he have the political weight and strength and experience and ability to bring people together that he needs in order to be able to shift the ground in that way i am prepared unprepared to give him you know i hope he does but you know i have to be skeptical wait and see. let me go back to london you know i mean i have to agree with alexander mackerras some in you know i know i know ukraine but well i've been there many many times. i have been banned since two thousand and fourteen for obvious reasons i

suppose but i mean it is it's really a country of cliques and connections there is a great russian word creature which means roof where you basically have protection i mean that's how the economy is run here i mean i think it's wonderful that this outsider could make an entry onto the stage of national politics but other than his like humor and he's a very affable person. the tools that he needs to push through whatever he wants to because we're not really sure what he wants to do is going to be very very difficult the the admin the administrative workings and parliament itself will have to have good will toward him did have that even happen go ahead in london. well i think that we have to be slightly more optimistic with this regard because i like having won you know that's why i like having you. think of mr the new from also is not a professional politician he's

a businessman so i think we need to abandon this political logic of having a people who are supported by someone and something we know the people who are the professional politicians in the ukraine i totally agree with you peter have the stigma of being cruel. and there's no doubt about it but the hope is that this person then just going back to the previous commentator i think does mr president give the perfect person i have a definite jewish people to attend the other five punches movements within the ukraine because to me as a person also of jewish heritage would be. insane to not being a president of jewish decedent and not trying to paint a anticipating an fascist movement. with their nationalism against russia which is insane so i put my hope in that there's in here other ukrainian young people from

my generation and the time will tell whether he will deliver something all whether he will be just a puppet or. a person could in the seat or over the. leader in charge of ukraine but i put my hope in mr zelinsky and i hope that he will make such a great president. and when i'm doing what i think we should do is that the first round is over when we have a second round i'd like to have all of you come back and we will discuss the final round of ukraine's presidential election that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks i guess in london and in california and thanks to our viewers for why. ching us here at r.t.c. you next time and remember prost top rules. breaks

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