don't you think that trump reflects some. characteristics of the united states as a country. in the neighborhood around the world i would suggest to you that. doesn't accept challengers very well either that's not. going to american very very different styles i think i disagree i think they have a very similar style. not very bombastic tromp this bomb blast but it's that idea of not brooking dissent of not accepting when there is criticism of shutting down media outlets in russia or in the united states calling it fake news and shouting everybody. so i think they're very similar but they have different styles but ok but doesn't own style reflects something about the way america historically has been the. neighborhood supporting states does not have

like no nation has an unblemished record in latin america but if you take a look the united states has a self correcting ability that very few empires and i'm going to use that word empire united states doesn't hold terrain outside the united states the way previous empires did but the united states undeniably has deep economic relationship with latin america we have the largest number of free trade agreements in latin america we have supported democracy in latin america over the last seventy years and if you take a look if you take a look at the last coup that the united states did actively support in correctly it was a bad decision i'm not here to defend it was nine hundred seventy three while it was in latin america but later on president obama was somebody who was much better received by the world. he was talking about changing the way that america the united states of america and gauges for the world i think that was a major part of if you very much last office re grabbing

a post. a decision on libya which turned out the country into a complete chaos i guess my question to you is is that really about values because there is a i think your question. is an american value that speaks to pushing us towards war and be absolutely. answer is absolutely not if you look on balance which is the only way you can assess the nation remember we all live in democracies in the western hemisphere we are gauged on four and five year political cycle or so go over the whole history of the united states in the world i unabashedly say we are a force for good well i'm not ready to go and i'm actually not claiming that the united states is a force for bad but if you look at the very very very long history of cia supported coups in latin america which sometimes deposed democratically elected government

supported the military regime can you name them can you name them well many of them argentina. you know well and not a coup not united states put it in the they were number one. fifty four nine hundred seventy three and the only reason i know this is because that's where i've spent i'm not i'm sure you know which of latin america is my. mind but i spend a lot of time in arab countries in syria in libya a little bit in iraq some time in afghanistan and i can tell you that there is that police is no limits and so that's where we go to you don't have to be an expert in the region the united states has deployed its military power and its diplomatic power and its economic power around the world for many many years in support of what we consider to be a liberal world and it's the graduated so we agree with that yes. perceptions are i don't need to argue about that what i'm my point is that the americans regretted what they'd done on many many occasions iraq would be one of them libya is another

one president obama had the courage to recognize that this was the biggest. on vietnam there is in retrospect but i think it's fair to say that every country looks back on its history with what we call twenty twenty hindsight and sees where things could have been done better or decisions were made for the united states is not every there are very few countries that. military invasion zones other countries as liberally as the united states has my question is different why do you think that americans find it so hard to resist that urge to bestow their values you know that's a marvelous question generals always fight the last war in the united states it tends not to be the generals who decide to go to war we have a complete subordination of the uniformed services to the civilian elected democratic leadership one of the reasons i think that happens i would disagree with

you that the united states is the most overtly interventionist is there anything to disagree with who is the most. let's take a look at where but i mean you're talking about michigan saying it's not i'm talking about looking about scale i'm talking about the times where you deploy national power that's not necessarily just an invasion that can be poisoning somebody in london that can be exporting revolution to cuba and putting missiles and. that's not going to i mean we understand to say that one is right and one is wrong and. that's not how that's not decide that they're going to use that power to advance their interests while i think there is a legitimate question of whether you can use foreign invasions to. enhance your interest. well crimea is like. a.

declared independence and on not incorporated into russia that they're not today but was there an invasion there not at all there was a warlord initiated by georgia who was recognized by the european union i was covering that for some reason they were on their show but you do not say that in fear of influence russia routinely deploy you know military well i would absolutely deny saying it's right absolutely and so tell me why there are one hundred right now one hundred russian military men in venezuela you're living in perfectly to my next question i want to leave the un recognized government of the seller has a military cooperation agreement with the un recognized government of russia international law allows so we're going to sue you insane so if you. win withdraw it's recognition because fifty four countries have recognized one guy do as the

legitimate president leader of the united nation leave tomorrow in the united nations withdraw i think the russians will take a note of that but since you mentioned me as well a because many of my questions were sort of leading to the main theme of the one versation mr trump. sort of the come to should assume for the regime change in israel and you said that once this could actually be a case where the administration has gotten something right what is that something that something is that they are not militarily invading elliott abrams who is the counselor for venezuela has testified twice in open court that invasion is not the preferred way to go forward hang on let me answer. the second in south com southern command which is the military command that works in latin america with our military cooperation agreements with sovereign countries recognized by the un they do not

have a war planning cell number three you have the. secretary of state who has said publicly on several occasions this cute line and they say all options are on the table how long have we been engaged in the last several months have they done it now you know. really you know the history of latin america much better than i do and you know the history of us and you don't necessarily need to send troops like it happened in panama. if you think it's go with you can't you can send a small contingent of you know well trained guys and that would still work in deposing like ninety nine russian soldiers well to go after one could that be could that ninety nine group be a group of guys who are very well trained who could i don't want to take my word for this state affiliated television then i can only tell you my personal opinion but if i should does it i think that would be wrong and that would be represents

interference in the. because if the united states invades i think that would be disastrous and it would be wrong apart from invasion the united states historically employed other tools for example economic warfare with very little regard for humanitarian suffering converges operations ca as i said was involved around the continent extensively come on just in cuba they have been involved in cuba you mean where we have been we've had our diplomats attacked with potentially huge history on what you think. you're doing with donald trump you're saying huge i'm saying there's two and i'm asking you is a very well documented number of cia involvement in trying to assassinate fidel castro. don't have enough time to name and i don't think you will have to go with the boys you said who's ok the united states for many years trying to join the

leader of a foreign country even attempted. what i'm saying is you would have delays here huge and then at the same. time give me three or four examples over a hundred year period because that's what you're doing if i were to say that peter the great ok your great russian tsar was a marvelous man because he dragged russia into the sphere of europe and you say wait a minute he didn't really succeed we're still the natural and we're still russians he didn't give us western values and i say no no no but he did because he really tries a very simplified understanding of peter the great i come from st peter's work i'm very good you build my own city but you did it as an enormous cost and a lot of people died while trying to build that city but you're making my point i'm not even a simple point that the united states has invaded repeatedly i didn't say you gave i said let's hear your i said interfere curve earthly economically diplomatically into the affairs of many many election american countries and that's

a statement of fact you can no debate that i mean that anyone who has the minimal off know it's our history will agree with me and i'm sure you agree with me as well you're just being a contrarian here but. i'm a i'm a former diplomat i would never do that but you're also a special kind of deploy an ambassador can we take a very very short break now but we will be back i would this very spirited conversation in just a few moments. you know world of big partners. and conspiracies it's time. to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the shouting past each

other it's time for critical thinking it's time to. white for the middle for truth the time is now watching closely for watching the hawks. and you should be like it's a bolt this is. huge because when you look at the numerous we just finished over three hundred. shows you would want to. see if it was national guard. patrolling. the plenty. of libya. it's a look which are difficult from. there to pull support squeeze one of these critics one of these with you to the middle east because the. machine into my

previous me a. full. blown someone. as we. call it you really easy. welcome back to worlds apart of the former american ambassador its economy john ambassador just before the break i was trying to ask you the question about the car what kind of tools of regime change you would support in the case of venezuela economic deprivation the kind of like warfare. called verd cia action you said that the old in support of the military invasion but i think that would still be can

contingent on what's happening in the country or strictly again regardless of what happens sure. i remain very much opposed to military intervention militarily we clearly have the military militarily. we could kill madeira we could arrest madeira we could not going to go to float is ok i am opposed to it because i fundamentally do not believe it is in u.s. interests there are several issues at play in venezuela one is the terrible terrible humanitarian state into which venezuela has fallen under the regime of the first to go childish and. that alone in my opinion is not a justification for an american invasion what is there is at this point there is no justification but that you still support the. president constitutionally article two thirty three of the venezuelan constitution says that when a president is either incapacitated or arrives in office by illegitimate means now

the world the un the oas international observers they. may know they have you know they made it very clear that the elections in may two thousand and eighteen were fraudulent the funny thing and i'll tell you this the funny thing is that maduro might have actually won that election on his own but he read the election he kept ballots out he didn't allow but i have state to come in so for but. i'm i'm the only reason that i really should have the constitution so you now have who is the legitimate president and he even is the person even then i. dispute that but even if that is the case that happened in a number of countries that the united states made no noise about it i mean the elections in egypt for example have also been questionable the last elections but the united states played along rather than the united states doesn't play along the

united states. days along with any of chomping on democratic values unless. that is compelling long long as it is in keeping with its own interests and again the history of latin america provides ample examples some of which we discussed but let me ask you a policy a broader policy question because power transitions are always very precarious especially in a country is asked polarized as venezuela facing as enormous economic differences difficulties as. do you have confidence that the trumpet ministration has what it takes to guide us through these power transition that the two previous american administrations bush administration and the obama administration failed so miserably because the united states tended to bring democracy to iraq tended to bring democracy to libya that failed does the trumpet ministration half what it takes to guide venezuela through the democratic transition without major bloodshed

there without major shocks to its economy by itself no the united states is not the protector of venezuela the united states is a very powerful country that has a responsibility of influence in the western hemisphere to work with the lima group to work with the oas the organization of american states to work with fellow democracies to provide a humanitarian support that minutes we desperately need because nicolas maduro and his cronies have stolen all of the money but there are a lot of no no no no no no no what he. mentioned an important point a lot of money is frozen abroad if you're so concerned about humanitarian suffering some of those funds could be released into are doing so you're you'll be happy to know that's what we're tempting to do that's a big part of our policy you might remember a couple of really funny smart russian jockeys got elliott abrams on the phone they asked him the same question they realize they're baiting him they're trying to get him to say something that's going to be embarrassing about american

policy they're trying to get him to say that yeah really look we're doing all this but we really are. and to do is invade and fully believing that he is talking to senior swiss bankers says look we're really not going to invade what we want to do is freeze the money in your banks in switzerland so that we can provide it to the legitimate government and get humanitarian aid until there's the that's the policy and this is why for as much as i dislike donald trump i have to be honest enough to say that on venezuela show far his administration is getting it right that the administration officials over the last couple of here over the last couple of weeks made a statement something with regard to the russian presence on the ground in the not only military presence but also economic presence and it's essentially. a call for russia to pack up and leave if you are so concerned about people in israel and

why wouldn't it be a better idea to get china russia turkey iran and all those countries on board to put pressure on moderates how. to help him with advisors how running how to run that he's economy and do something you know a collective international action that would actually benefit people of venezuela rather than benefiting the american interest there because the administration is pretty clear that what they're after there is not democracy is not some sort of values but it's economic interests first of all why wouldn't they i wish they would i wrote a column in univision a couple of weeks ago where i said if i were them i said my next phone call would be to mr putin and mr paine who are the two largest creditors to the mature regime and i would talk to them and i would say look. we all have our interests the biggest interest in venezuelan oil is sniffed and your session that's a fact so you have been running. i mean is it not i suppose it is isn't

it he went and russia gave soft loans that the venezuelans now campaign actually you're not getting paid what i said in my column was that the world should address the humanitarian crisis and that the next call that i would make if i were mr pompei it would be to mr levitt oath and i would have the russians the chinese the biggest creditors the united states the lima group all of these countries i would have them work to deliver humanitarian aid to effect a peaceful transition a transition and this is not happening you understand i don't know i don't understand it's not happening and i think that's a shame but you know why it's not happening it's not happening because nobody of those three major powers but remember they're not the only ones who count but nobody has yet seen that there's safety in an outcome why because maduro will not

give up power if moscow were to offer because mother would adoption and a little country home and to be able to take a certain amount of money and live comfortably. do you think he would leave i think that would be a very corrupt offer i think it should be off to the people of minnesota to decide who they want to be allowed by and i agree there should be an elections but. i also think that you should not have elections every time when the united states doesn't like the results oh no but this wasn't the united states this was the national assembly that nicolas maduro out any country where. there are major questions about competence and mental fitness of your own president he was accused just a short while ago of being essentially installed by a foreign nation and yet that's wasn't good enough for. the rest happily let me say i'm very happy about the results of the motor report i'm very happy that we had a deep investigation i'm sure he still hasn't released these reports i think there

are many russians who have well i have to say if we're talking about obviously i mean doesn't wasn't good enough reason for interference you would be appalled at the thought of somebody interfering in the political or economic affairs of your own country would you absolutely and why should it be the case for the venezuelans why shouldn't they be allowed to sort it out for themselves so we had this realization that you should ask the venezuelans because right now according to viktor and that analysis which is the only polling company left in venezuela seventy five percent of the venezuelan people want a u.s. invasion i live in miami there are literally hundreds of venezuelans who are living in miami who have fled their country i am telling you and you can disagree with me but they all want the us to invade venezuela and are dying venezuelans are hungry venezuelans have no penicillin venezuelans have no schools the economy is completely broken down if you were in that situation you would want to. know that i

do you know many american the wars and every time i heard this same argument the problem with that is that once the united states interferes it's not getting better its usually gets worse that's a. panama nine hundred eighty nine the united states when in country where i was the ambassador nine hundred eighty nine the united states when they took out they arrested manuel and they brought him there not including relationships with the united states. he was a cia about speaking about value he was the cia operative who went wrong who went bad then he began to traffic drugs so we arrested him we brought him to miami we tried him twenty five years later panama is about to celebrate its perfectly peaceful perfectly democratic transition in may that's a success story you can't deny that if you take a look at what the united states did after the central american wars we supported democracy in all of those countries and what did we do wrong and i'm the first to

admit we focused too much on the counter-narcotics aspect of it and not enough on building institute i'm sure our viewers in comments to this show will let you know what the united states. and how many of them watch i'm pretty sure it's. going to be an authentic response we only have a minute left and i have i guess a space for only one question william burns president obama's deputy secretary of state he recently warned about policy risks in venezuela saying that trump could make the same mistake a bamma did in syria going in getting involved without having a coherent plan doesn't give you pause for thought absolutely you won't be surprised that bill burns was my former boss and i share his opinion as i've said several times in this interview i fundamentally disagree with the u.s. invasion not because it wouldn't be but it wasn't proper i mean formal invasion it

was all sorts of ways of trying to you mean like i should diplomatically. red barrel bombs were not diplomatic in syria the barrel bombs came across as part of an irregular warfare look we can point back and forth all you want i am saying very clearly i do not support a u.s. invasion in venezuela because it is contrary to u.s. interests i mean even putting the invasion aside do you think the united states has a key here at this point has a coherent plan of interacting regime changing in venezuela by canonic means by diplomatic means doesn't look like. it has its structural supported the united states is supported by virtually all there are only three countries and that of course. again you know but the bin laden regime not to us was supported by everybody in the region but it still failed miserably in terms of conducting its policy you like that miserably but then when you look united states has

international support to support the military in venezuela the plan is one it's labeled little pieces it's this is it is not a plan written in washington that's good i believe the plan should be written by the legitimate representatives of the venezuelan people which is the national assembly not the bogus constitutional assembly that president maduro set up when he didn't like the results of the election in may and you do believe that this plan whoever writes that should be put to the venezuelan people will make a decision on that we can agree we can agree but we have to leave it here ambassador it's been a great pleasure the real pleasure thank you so very much appreciated anchor of yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages our hope to see you again same place same time here in the worlds apart.

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