told the press association that police were invited to the embassy and made the arrest at around ten am this morning now despite being hailed a freedom fighter by some the foreign secretary here in the u.k. jeremy hunt has said otherwise described him as not say hey right but scotland yard's have also said that this songe awaits a herring at westminster magistrates court apparently. very soon any moment now so we have our eye on that we also have our eyes on the house of commons as well because the home secretary sajid javid is due to make a statement that around two fifteen london time although no sound as well has many supporters many fans that have been tweeting in his revelations for example. tweeted saying how could you ecuador i'm in shock so what's next well rights campaigner peta touch has said songes arrest may put him at the risk of extradition which has now been confirmed extradition of the us extradition request from the us

by scotland yard's and what he will likely face charges that could see him jailed but this is the whole secret juries all say being said to convene to prepare an indictment against him but all our eyes are on the magistrate's court right now. so i understand that is very difficult right now to make any predictions. from what you heard from what you read there can we expect some kind of secret indictment to happen in the next twenty four hours. possibly i mean the timeframe is pretty hard to justify and say of the moments but all this is well follows is just a day off of the wiki leaks at. a press conference held by them and the sun just team that said an extensive spying operation was conducted against a songe in the ecuadorian embassy and there was spent. collation that this whole

correction was actually designed to get extradited so they will see if this is all coming together as the news comes in later today but we could see as you said it could happen in the twenty four hours that could happen in a matter of days all eyes are on just hearing more information at the moment. and then shot the u.k. police did confirm as you said that a song was arrested in relation to an extradition warrant on behalf of the united states all parties however we've just heard. the junior foreign minister alan duncan it was saying that after a song was arrested that he would not be sent to the u.s. if he faces the death penalty that do you think we could see some conflicts within the the u.k. or storage fees over what to do with those. we could possibly see some conflicts at the moment again we have a lot of activists outside the embassy we have a reporter on their way to the embassy right now to kind of understand and get the

support that people have been giving julian the son over the years he's been holed up in the embassy since twenty twelve a lot of activists were back last day in particular saying that that was off the news that we released the tweet saying that julian assange could be extradited could be expelled from the embassy within a matter of hours or days but as i said and later on such a job it will be making a statement in the house of commons and probably know off about statements and have a clearer idea of a clearer picture of what that will be losers thank you for keeping on top of everything for us as we understand we've got our reporter paulie boy go. to court right now where julian assange has been brought to and poly well what else can you tell us what's happening. well we think he's just yet but as you can see there is a media scrum. all the usual suspects from outside the ecuadorian embassy have moved

the media circus to outside the court where we are expecting to be in a songe to people by the metropolitan police at any moment we've had a few signs that this might be imminent all the police offices hyperdrive to this is actually the back of the court there is an official entrance but everybody is here and very much watching every single vehicle that goes in to that and that large goods and trends and at the moment no sign of him yet as we know with all things to do with julian assange things take tend to take a little bit longer than usual we saw those pictures earlier on of him being forcibly removed from the ecuadorian embassy been there first seven year is you know we've covered this story that entire time it seemed inevitable that at some point he would leave. and it's thought he is to have right ok

well we've been watching the vehicles come in and now and. yeah it's from hit not clear whether he is on or in or out i am being told that he is now julian assange had said while he was holed up in the ecuadorian embassy over the past seven years that he did being extradited to the u.s. all along throughout this saga on espionage charges potentially for leaking all those cable gate documents and in two thousand and sixteen the u.n. ruled that he was being offered terribly detained in the ecuadorian embassy but the u.k. government disagreed with that view and nothing really happened and all along there had been efforts from us on his legal team and the ecuadorian authorities to come to some sort of agreement but it always boiled down to one thing and that was a songes legal team saying that they couldn't get guarantees that he wouldn't be extradited to. to the u. s.

now. there was a real deterioration in relations between a songe and his dorian hosts really when the new ecuadorian president lenin miranda came to power he took a much harsher just on so against the week he said he said that assad had repeatedly violated the terms of his asylum inside the embassy and in october twenty eighth he the relationship broke down to such an extent that julian assange sued his ecuadorian hosts he said that they had been violating his rights and freedoms now sondra was given a list of conditions that he has to adhere to this is late last year if you want to stay in the embassy the main one was staying out of meddling in other countries affairs he'd had his internet. but there were also some curious housekeeping rules that he suddenly had to live by included cleaning his own bottle through taking

care of his own cat paying for his own food and for his laundry to be done it was threaten to take his cats away and the last small really came last week when we said that they'd been taped off by someone in the ecuadorian foreign ministry that this would be his departure from the embassy and his full simple removal would be imminent so we had been keeping a close eye on it all week and lo and behold today it seems that at the very least this pause of the a song. is a. new one is just beginning we are waiting to hear what he has been charged with what he will be charged with inside this building shortly today indeed ali you know i've lost the amount of times we've had these conversations about a song where i've been in the studio you've been standing outside the ecuadorian embassy. and i were expecting perhaps you might step first outside of that embassy

one particular day and now this day has arrived what's the feeling between yourself and your fellow reporters the usual suspects as you put it i mean it's a momentous occasion how are you feeling is it a case of shaul you know how did you see it happen playing out like this. well we knew as i said we knew it was going to happen but at the same time you never know which point it will happen it does seem it has come as a surprise that he's been removed by the ecuadorian thora and that tweet from jennifer robinson one of songes main lawyers saying that actually this arrest isn't just to do with. skipping bail back to twenty twelve which is a relatively minor offense it now has a cooling to general been said this extradition request to the u.s.

tied into it that makes this so much more serious but we also know that the justice grinds away quite slowly so i think that could be the next chapter of a new legal battle here this is probably the new spot for the media circus right now it's gone from me and dorian embassy rather swiftly around ten am this morning . ali thanks for bringing us all the latest polyploid from london i'm sure be coming back to you later in the day thanks to her dishes that be at our london studio that. are right now i believe we have a gas here and of the studio what we're going to talk to journalists a global affairs analyst patrick canning sten thank you so much for being with us here and talking with about this developing breaking news story as the sun been arrested. a few hours and tracked out when you were in embassy and now as we

heard from our reporter he is already held up in london now everyone is wondering what's next for us and what's your take on that. yes this is a very unfortunate but this it has all the sort of indications of the kind of a backroom deal that's been done between a three way deal between the government of ecuador the british government and the united states government so if if in fact he wasn't arrested on the bail jumping charges originally if it was about jumping bail from two thousand and twelve then he would be released on a non-constant custodial sentence and could pretty standard but it's not about doubt it's seems to be about the extradition a deal a secret deal behind the scenes deal between the british government and united

states the danger here is that the julius orange will not face justice as home secretary job had said in his statement this morning that was going to finally face justice he's not going to face justice in the united states what he is going to face is a secret grand jury proceeding most likely in northeastern virginia most likely will be ruled on by a judge who has ruled against every single whistleblower. under the obama administration including thomas drake john kerry aku and many others ok so this is from from a legal point of view a justice point of view this is a total stitch up ok julian saw it will not face due process or justice he's going to face. a simulacra of it but not the real thing and that's going to be the the injustice of this whole chrissie. eatings so what we're seeing right now is the

criminalization of journalism the criminalization of publishing. a supine mainstream media that is not protesting what's going on even though it's in their interests this issue they've ignored that and instead you have authoritarian operatives in high positions wielding a tremendous power and are threatening to demolish the fourth estate as we once knew it. it's a many points of contention that they could really bring people on the street thing must riots and protests don't bear it including that press conference yesterday where we had seven wiki leaks editor in chief that said it was evidence the u.s. had been spying on joining us on the inside of the embassy so what do you think be public would do would that be a huge outcry to this will that be mass protests. i don't think so i think there will be protests and i think they'll be targeted and

they'll be specific these will be people who recognize the importance of this issue but the problem is in today's society things only become sort of protest where the if the mainstream media is giving it coverage or giving it some energy it seems to me like the mainstream media will not be fueling this story will not be taking the cause if you will crusading on behalf of one of their own colleagues. because many people in corporate media don't believe that he is their colleague they don't recognize wiki leaks as a journalistic organization or a press organization they don't recognize julian songe as a publisher and this is their corporate mainstream media that seems to be in lockstep with the governments of the united states of the u.k. and spain and others so this is a government media complex that we have unfortunately today and there is no viable as of today there is there you could you could make an argument there is no viable

fourth estate where is the outrage from every single print publication every broadcast news network where's the pushback against what's going on right now so this is a grave injustice and you have a situation in america where there is a possibility that the united states might gin up a conspiracy charge as well claiming that there is a conspiracy between julia songe and chelsea man. and somehow songe helped chelsea manning to organize the classified leak despite the fact that all of this is already been flushed out a long time ago in the original trial of bradley manning then now chelsea manning so again more injustice on top of injustice more of a facade of due process that we're facing again. now patrick why do you think about the timing. what triggered the rest.

well it seems that the united states seems to be on a schedule if you look at. i personally do believe that this is directly connected with the the imprisonment of chelsea manning only a few weeks ago for refusing to basically rat on joining a songe or sort of give up julius songe and so the united states authorities have thrown the manning into solitary confinement for a long period of time i'm not sure if he still is but this is toward the coco or sir to sort of turn evidence for that secretive grand jury in virginia and so that i think this is what they're trying to cook up because it's going to be very difficult even if they extradite johnny saunders can be very difficult to rule against wiki leaks against julie songe on the basis of of them being a publisher of of them performing

a journalistic function still going to be very difficult even though you have that sort of political demonization campaigns being run by mainstream media outlets all across the world who are doing this discrediting defaming a staunch trying to characterize wiki leaks as mike pompei and others have as a sort of hostile foreign intelligence. agency when in fact they're not they're the people probably the purest form of a press outlet the. you could get by today's twenty first century digital definition so it all all of this is just basically a lot of hype in the public to create a public opinion weighed against joining songe against wiki leaks so there's no sympathy and that way they can maybe push the proceedings into this. ginned up conspiracy charge that they're trying they tried to coerce chelsea manning into and so again the joint will not receive a fair hearing in virginia with what's being prepared for him just like every

single other whistleblower who's been in that exact same court with that exact same judge did not get a fair hearing and the state will most likely most certainly rule against julius songe as the state has in all the other previous whistleblower cases during the obama administration. all right thank you so much for sharing your inside with us here on the national and the developing breaking news story the jewel in the sunshine that was journalist and global affairs analyst patrick canning. now for those of you just joining us we've been bringing you a major breaking news story this thursday the wiki leaks had it to juanita songes been arrested in the move from the ecuadorian embassy in london u.k. police say julian assange has been arrested by officers from the metropolitan police at the embassy of ecuador on the warrant issued by westminster magistrates court on the twenty ninth of june two thousand and twelve but failing to surrender

to the courts he's been told that. as a son's did not count of the embassy or an ambassador invited to british quit nice and sunny to arrest him aqua dory and president lenin the rent confirmed on thursday that the country had with thrown a son just the siloam status over his violations of international conventions i have just spoken to one of two mins a lawyer is doing and is likely to appear before a u.k. magistrate within twenty four hours and u.k. he is likely to seek a maximum prison term all twelve months in highest court well our focus is as always to stop us extradition that's the words of. a lawyer now christian son should the mother of the week he leaks founder and that's what she wrote on twitter. reporters without borders has slammed us launches

a rest over we can leap to activity as a dangerous precedent that the u.s. may pursue you meanwhile general open said one of us on his legal team claims the arrest was made in relation to a u.s. extradition request sources told the press association that police were invited to the embassy and made to be arrested shortly ten am it was a planned operation said the source of the mother of wiki leaks whistleblower web site's founder julian assange that on thursday citing his son's lawyer that his son arrested earlier in the day was likely to appear before a u.k. magistrate's court within twenty four hours i think that the united kingdom was likely to seek a maximum prison term of twelve months for him in ohio of course. the ecuadorian president has laid out the reasons for why the embassy allowed police to arrest to an innocent man in maranoa says the whistleblower repeatedly violated international conventions and protocols. we'll see if this. is replacing little bit of sort of

your illusion is to give notice produce a little spin c.p.s. delivered to them implicitly to be risky to. get out of it is to look at the. killer can do people speak too so you're going to see this unusual in a sense it was a clever humans this quote this is going to send this this sort of this is who have you ever encountered a record you sort of thought oh look i was going to sue you because committing to movies and. the singular sense is that he will be able. to get on that in the book you know seal diplomatic will altogether so your sense as we. don't use it is mrs you know i got a little models to give a sense of to this is he has got to be honest he was he's got us humans to do it and but other members well as sunscreen tentorium team back in two thousand and ten

when we can leagues released huge trolls of documents about america's wars in iraq and afghanistan as well as hundreds of thousands of u.s. diplomatic cables as i'm sad the leaks contained evidence of thousands of war crimes this discussed this five and now i'm on the internet well discuss the implications really of astonishes the rest john joins in the studio to tell us more ego what's likely to be next for the wiki leaks. surely is a divisive figure he has an army of supporters he has an army of haters and but like it or not he has won multiple awards for his journalism for his activism and again like it or not whatever you he's published many many facts that appeared to be eventually true and he has sort of started this wave of whistle blowing from edward snowden to chelsea manning to many many others who took up those rules and for instance edward snowden the fellow was should say whistleblower he said that this is something of a dark day for all journalists let's have

a listen. i . think you're getting.

does the arrow say any data on millions of. wiki leaks walks like a hostile intelligence sort of like a cop because of. what you've just seen was a brief overview of all the leaks done by the weekend leaks of course and well with the help of a julian assange and really also what you also have seen is the fallout the julian assange have had to face over his activism like for instance for i had my pump a zero they're saying that we can leaks is a for an asset in the julian assange is a criminal and really has been the view of the current administration as a whole and trump campaign his election campaign was built upon. prosecuting and

persecuting leakers and we kill leakers for instance now the u.k. and the us they do have an extradition program and it has just recently been revealed to julian assange was arrested on behalf was arrested by the scotland yard on behalf of the united states they have an extradition request from washington and really seeing what the what whistleblowers face on what we can leak is face in the states you don't have to look any much further than chelsea manning she was responsible basically she provided the documents to the we kill leaks that eventually made up the biggest military leak in the u.s. history the so-called iraq war documents now we've seen some of those we've seen some of those in the in the clip just now when chelsea manning was seized when she was arrested eventually the u.n. formally accused the united states government of cruel inhumane and degrading treatment of chelsea manning and she eventually got thirty five years in maximum

security prison fort leavenworth for military for military criminals obama pardoned chelsea manning back in twenty scene but now she's in jail again and she's in jail again because she refused to testify in a weekly skates and she's going to stay in jail according to the judge according to the judge until she changes her mind or until the grand jury fulfills the world just just fulfills whatever it does all that it needs to do now going back to other two other whistleblowers now going back to edward snowden here's what he had to say when he learned of well julian assange arrest. images of ecuador's ambassador inviting the secret police into the embassy to drag a publisher of like it or not award winning journalism out of the building are going to end up in the history books and sanchez critics may cheer be. this is

a dark moment for press freedom so as you can see this could be a bit of a dangerous precedent for not just for journalists but generally for people for activists who are nerf certain facts that basically who cross the biggest and the largest superpower in the world absolutely i think what's become so obvious today especially since the songe was removed from the ecuadorian embassy is how much of a divisive figure here is we've got two extremes of what the people who love him and think is a hero and what the people who absolutely hate him and it's so so apparent in the tweets in the comments that it's lazy saying that he's not above just like nobody's above justice and social science should face that and others saying that well this is just trying to persecute just turn tweets i'm going to read to you to comment on the ever me feel of a stance just to illustrate how you know how different the two sides view this without snowden as you were talking about is that of edward snowden saying images

of ecuador's their ambassador inviting the u.k. secret police into the embassy to drag a publisher of like it or not award winning journalism out of the building are going to end up in the history books this will end up in the history books i thought just critics may cheer but this is a dark moment for press freedom not edward snowden and then on the other hand we have the british foreign secretary jeremy hunt saying judy no song is no hero and no one is above the law he's hidden from the truth for years thank you ecuador and president lenin maranoa for your cooperation to ensure our son's face is just is so there we have it into tweets right that's exactly what i was talking about the one some people are saying that it's a persecution others are saying that well thank you for your assistance ecuador and now we're going to prosecute this criminal love him or hate him today is a historic day for everybody especially our sons and his family well let's go to a guest now it goes down and thank you. i believe we do have

a against snow and we can talk live to independent journalist. welcome to the program here on our national now let's talk about the timing of the arrest what do you think triggered this to happened now. difficult to say that's a really difficult question obviously it's in two thousand and seventeen that mark pompei at the time cia director start to two to five the charges thought is of course what is behind this it's not the issue of the british metropolitan police looking at the old out he escaped the ten day spell to take refuge in the it for the audion embassy it is what the americans want is to get him extradited to do so i don't know why at this moment maybe because steve had a conscript perswade ecuador to take away the year siloam status of a sauce that's i mean this is

a weird day for you did your mother just not interrupt you but we could have live pictures of a stange that we are going to take on for you is that but we will come back to you as soon as we can ok for our viewers at home wish showing you live pictures of julian assange outside to be caught so i do believe we have our correspondent that so we will be bringing you some live commentary from there as soon as we can let's return to i guess for the moment until we get some better pictures that back to you mr luker of a thank you for hanging on coming back to the issue of time and we were saying we are not quite sure what prompted the arrest oversaw enjoyed the. his removal from the ecuadorian embassy and subsequent arrest to happen today however some people might be looking at this and think it was quite curious that it should happen just the morning off to be editor in chief of wiki leaks kate that press conference accusing the u.s. of spying on julian a song is in the embassy do you think that there's something in that.

that could be yes certainly but you never know in what sometimes events happen in the day before they offer so it's really difficult to know but clearly america is behind those doubts that's for sure and is for independent jealousies a bit like a robin hood a modern robin hood imagine the watergate scandal a few years ago when richard nixon was. was so taken down by the last of the washington post it was before the internet today that the really good of internet is true to yourselves for the independent press and everybody used what he revealed before so on clinton on the war in iraq on the war in afghanistan so this is a sad day for for independent journalism if he is to do us of course it will take some time certainly a year. penalty from vote.