all right well whatever happens to mr restaurant it's going to be in the full days of public scrutiny ok thanks very much for that. back in twenty twelve about a series of political interviews and discussions hosted by a song coming up next as another episode of the whistleblower show would be for much of his young president. i mean julian assange. it is true when he wakes exposed the world secrets these documents belong the united states government been attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemn what i think was. illegally shoot five hundred days now being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us. today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. just during the last year the middle east has been shaken by rebel movements in tunisia is the country where it all started. today i talked to the first president

of the new tunisia months if you keep a medical doctor and human rights activist by training my zuki is cut from a very different cloth to his flamboyant and corrupt predecessor been the only. one imprisoned under the bin only regime was yuki is considered to have the greatest moral authority of all arab leaders but i wonder how long can it last the transformation of tunisia is far from complete and president mao's uki must now face the realities of power. mr president. can you hear me. hello how are you was that sasha it is very nice to see you are you know i have always been you really you. have done and i think really we. i wish you the best you know. if you never have some problems that you would be

what. thank you. so you were imprisoned back in one thousand nine hundred three and i was in prison. in two thousand and ten but this experience was very interesting for me how to survive solitary confinement. and i think perhaps everyone should go through this experience just once can you tell me how you survived prison. well you know i just spent spent four months sort of three confinement so but i did barely which is the prime minister in tunisia spent more than ten years in sort of confinement and i always admired him i never say never in the how he could you know survive to this kind of experience but because after just four months i were just talking to myself you know i really got that crazy i went crazy because you know when you have just to talk to yourself to be. to be alone with yourself

all this time you it's terrible experience this is why i think it's a kind of far. side psychological torture and so many people said look you have never been tortured in prison and i used to say no i was under torture but it was another kind of torture and probably one of the worst i think that more than thirty thousand people have been tortured here in tunisia and was good for them you know there was angry at that for this. people. all the torture and then go back to a whole month to play with their children and listen to music and you know have a normal life and then i wonder i never understood how. how can how can you know. except to those things like this and be sure that you are. that you are still a human being so. how how can you survive through this kind of experience

i think when you know this when you know that you are fighting for your human rights for good values then you can have enough resistance you have to tackle the situation these people who took action against you and your friends in tunisia under the bill how the regime the former head of intelligence for example do you meet them now that you are present and what do they say do they apologize. no no they don't apologize and they all say look we are all those we are just civil servants and. this for me is completely unacceptable you know because i think that everybody has to have his own will that he has to face his own responsibility and it's too easy to say i was just obeying orders and. i can't

accept this kind of excuse you know because it's science also the fact that those people are not only calls cruel but also they don't have any kind of dignity any kind of honor you know we have to accept your own responsibility and to say look i did it but sorry i was wrong but i never heard any one of them saying sorry i was wrong you said that the first victim of a dictatorship is intelligence services what did you mean by that. i think because those people because they just accept obey the dictator they. give up everything their humanity there are normal and there are. just for. for being there you know for sharing the power. and that they are also for. the victims of the system and you probably know that the people you know they're pretty thin tall short they are always and very very sad situation some of them.

become in some of them commit suicide and i think torture destroys not only the people who are submitted to torture but also the people other people so yes it's terrible things for both sides you know for the people committing torture and the people submit submitted to torture. in the united states we have the knowledge source the alleged source of the diplomatic cables which included material that came out into the news or about pinelli his name is bradley manning and he was in solitary confinement for ten months what do you say about the united states and its role once leading human rights and now. engaged in torture. where when you have torture and did it take the ship it seems so normal you know. of course it's not normal it's horrible but when you have this kind of problems and

. the state and when you face people you know coming from the government. talking about human rights and so forth it's it seems so ridiculous you know i remember two years ago. four years ago i was invited in to washington by ninjago to talk about human rights in tunisia. i was invited to to meet some important person in the white house dealing with human rights issues and they said no i'm not going to meet this person because it would be ridiculous to talk with this guy knowing very well you know that he was probably implicated and want to know more problem you can talk it you can at take seriously somebody was placated in torture in his own country and this guy is going to give you some lesson about how to promote human rights in tunisia this is why i didn't accept to meet him.

what is the status now the intelligence services in. your head of the armed forces your commander in chief of the armed forces are you also of the intelligence services. it's very difficult situation because we have to take the problem very cautiously you know. we have to remove them. one by one. but the most important thing for me is to you know we're going to face some hard issues like the set of his movement you know the sixty's extreme right wing movement tyrannies and they are really they can be a danger to democracy and we have to take the attack of the problem from the political point of view we have to discuss with them and so forth but some of them are now not accepted to to have any kind of political discussion and some of them are going to present a kind of threat against democracy so when i talk with. the police and the army

leaders i said look we have to take this problem very cautiously but please no more torture and no more unfair trial like we have had under the and the dictatorships we have to take this problem very seriously but to stick to human rights values they watched they watched me very. you know. wondering if i was serious and i said yes i am serious yes i am serious no more talk to him to. have you seen your intelligence files kept by bin ali now that you are president the record of spying on you. yes i am very curious about having this fight but in fact they didn't have time. but i have you know i have got some files about. political. up and interior now to the system and they said i'm not going to work

with this guy and. i'm not going to threaten this guy with this kind of tools you know i don't want to know about what happened i'm not interesting in and in threatening you know the my political opponent by the same towards it that was used against me so you think the. you know as a as wiki leaks as a publisher of course we saw what happened in egypt when the egyptian secret service was looted and these files came out and started to describing what was really happening there and someone who was following this revolution in egypt very very closely and trying to get out material about them barak and suleyman and so on i knew gyptian revolution had succeeded in a very important way when the archives of the finally came out and that was.

the end of the secret police or a new chapter in the secret police so. it seems to me that it is the true way to make sure that one cannot go back is to reveal the secrets of the previous regime to everyone so that everyone may take part in them even if this creates some kind of conflict in the society. well you open the museum archives. your story story and yes the historians because i think we have to it's it's i would do it you know to know what happened but i am not interested in having you know and knowing who are right who wrote about me and. it's useless you know it's i would like to have the general actually what happened exactly. how was the system but i'm not interested in you know

convicting people saying you have done this and you have done that. because it could be very very dangerous and. it's important to know to remember but sometimes it's also important to not want to forget it is there is pressure on you from other people in the news in government to keep these files closed no no there is no no pressure in this market this is my show you know my shows to be very careful because once again we have we we have to know but we have also to forget and to forgive. he said before that there are certain red lines about information sometimes truth is good sometimes truth is bad and recently the. internet has been censoring some web pages but in order to censor

even one web page you must spy on every request that someone is making. to see if you should know i. do think that this is right that is the correct one more you know i think censorship on the internet is useless first it's useless impossible and content productive. as a human rights activists i prefer the sides effect of. total freedom of expression . to the good effect from i say to the censorship so i am i always say that i am against any kind of censorship on internet or in any other way of expression. i spoke to weeks ago to has not. and i asked him why was there

a difference between his position in for syria to museums position to syria. this seems to be a switch. is soft on syria. is soft on brain. is hard on syria and. is hard on. the brainy government. why is this. i mean the dictatorship that syria the syrian people is suffering from is exactly the say that in tunisia before before they were lucian and this is why we we feel very close to the syrian people we understand that they are what they are feeling because they are fighting against corruption and i could tell it is against . the state of fear and. we feel very very

close to them because. sometimes we feel that we have also some responsibility you know because i can say that if we didn't have the revolution here in tunisia probably it wouldn't happen in syria or in egypt so we feel this kind of responsibility very close we understand them and that fight for democracy for human rights is our own and we have to support them. and we have to forget about you know. people like him you know think that syria is because he is you know against israel they can forgive to do this dictatorship everything but we hear when we don't have this problem we are not interested in the fight between israel and syria what is important for us is that. this. this people

is separate from what we suffered so much from and this is why we totally support syria the syrian people against his dictatorship. as you know we fight against our own so i can't understand that here in tunisia yes because we have some some people here in tunisia supported the syrian dictatorship saying it's better to take dictatorship and we do know that there is no better take that there is no good dictatorship that dictatorship is dictatorship corrupted and. and against against his people. i can't understand the position but i can say tell you that i was very very popular up to you know in two thousand and six because you know the battle against the. right but now. you know that his popularity is completely. finished in tunisia and the whole arab

world. you have offered the rule of syria. asylum in tunisia but is that really credible of you know what's important for us is that the bloodshed in syria this is the most important thing this is why i said look we have the yemeni scenario it could be good solution for. syrian people they say why this guy. go to russia and the russians said we are not interesting and having a journalist asked me would you be interested in having this man and i said of course if this could be a sort of should but i know probably you know also that assad would never ask a limited nature so it's it's not credible question and not the. position of course. he would probably flee talk to russia or to any other country but never

in tunisia you hold this conference recently. the prince of syria which included in coming to that was hillary clinton and many other powerful people from the west and from the region information that we released recently. showed that. the u.s. security sector is of the belief that there are u.s. special forces already in syria and that arms and money flow into syria to the syrian resistance. you have said that you do not believe in foreign intervention in syria and you do not believe the news you should supply arms to the syrian resistance but. what about intelligence support what about training. weapons training within syria museo also offer but offer a base to the syrian opposition. but as i told you we are

not supporting any kind of foreign intervention in syria i do believe that giving weapons to syrians would lead to civil war i think it's it's not a good choice i still believe that the only solution must be political and that we have to find a common. coming drawn between opposition and the regime i still believe that the only solution is the yemeni scenario this is my position this is the position of tunisia and of course we are against any kind of intimidation whether it comes from. your party received eight point seven percent of the vote during the two news you know election and the more islamic party i've received thirty seven percent of the point during that election. but you personally have sixty percent approval by the chinese in public what

percent of power do you think you have. let me let me tell you first that in the west people think that. the political islam is prevailing on democracy and is it exactly the contrary i think that we here in tunisia. the center of spark the separate part of the spectrum islamist. the central part of the spectrum islamist spectrum. is now part of the democratic system of the game so i can say that democracy prevails on. the islamic movement because it's became democrats and we did it as a secular we did it become. islamist so. there is a oughtn't because i'm very surprised that the way that western

people are looking to tunisia or egypt saying look. now is that missed or you know or in the government they have the majority in the parliament yes they have the majority in the parliament but in the democratic party meant they were elected by democratic elections and now they are playing to their part of the democratic game this is why i can say that democracy prevailed after their pollution and that the slightest movement even if the islamists are were elected more than the secular government this very very important. as far as i'm concerned you know. i think the most important thing. power i have is a symbolic one because here in tunisia i'm supposed to be the president of all tunisians stomachs. and i'm trying to play this and this role

of being the president of tunisia having discussion with or particular part is. you know to get people closer and this is very very important and this is not. this is not even knowing that this is the most important function that i have. so i imagine this is very hard for you the way i see things in the leaders that i have dealt with and in my own position also. there's so many forced moods that one has to suffer one point is forced by a situation or limited ability to act in a certain way even though your conscience wants to act in another way have were you surprised by the lack of power in becoming president the lack of ability to push the program you wanted to push the compromises you had to make. yes i think you know i'm discovering that the fact to be head of state doesn't mean that you

have all the power and my phrase. gratian is now probably the most important feeling that i have every day i can just give you one example you know we are tackling a huge problem that you know he's in tunisia. having under strike because he is asking for for his release but i can't release him because libya is asking for him and we have a lot of common interest with libya but you know giving back this man to libya means that he could kill he could be he could have an unfair trial and i told my libyans friend that afternoon my honor as a human rights activist. i can't just you know give this man to this to libya. but you know facing a huge question from from outside and inside the country to get this man to libya

and there are have every day to say no no we have to stick to our position and it's very difficult you know to conciliate the human rights activist opinions and the head of state what else has changed for you. are i don't think i'm still the same person you know i'm still human rights activist i still believe in my and my values and i tried to be faithful to all those values so i think i'm not going to change i will stick to my opinions of course it's sometimes very difficult because you have to. i have to remember that i am head of state and that i have been very careful when i talk and this this is sometimes very painful but i. am still you know as i told you are i am convinced that i have to be favored. values and people are expecting me to be . to be the same person and. i would try to be.

the head of state of denethor but also the human rights activist i was. thank you very much mr president. and as i told you i'm very grateful to all what you are done for promoting human rights groups and i don't support your efforts and please i wish you all the best to help you all i hope to see one cent in asia if. you would be one to come here and in this new democratic country thank you. thank you for the crew. for arranging this. good luck thank you. so goodbye and good luck. six six six six six six six

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