on the quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. this week i have to visit his most and big was imprisoned for using guantanamo as an al qaeda suspect after pressure from the u.k. he was released without charge in two thousand and five together with passim corish a former corporate lawyer he now campaigns for the war on terror detainees with the organization cage prisons the rule of law and due process is essential to their campaign and i want to know how these feet seem to be sure real if the muslim people formed a superstate. legal system look like. when you were in guantanamo you signed a confession i was prepared to fight alongside the taliban al qaeda against the us and then eventually you're treated to tora bora to flee from u.s. forces but after lives collapsed i knowingly provided comfort and assistance to members by housing the families distributed ok propaganda and received members from

terrorist camps knowing that trainees could become al-qaeda operatives and commit acts of terrorism against states. so that. that language is. no i don't know me because i do sounds like it comes from a statute you know what bored me to the point where i would sign something like this was being tied up with my hands with blood on my back to my legs with a hood placed over my head being punched and kicked and listening to the sound of a woman screaming next door i'm told it's all lead led to believe as my wife my children's pictures being waved in front of me and being asked by these interrogators when do you think you're going to see them again or do you think happened to them the night that we took you from the. way do you think they're all right now when all of these influences which clearly suggests to me that the only way out is to either give up and.

sign whatever it is that they want me to do or to to to resist and to hell with what happens to my family so that's was a stark choice that i was presented with and in the light of that of course you know so we got out to join cage prisoners and forth for all of the people that you know you went on elsewhere to be released or treated to process and so now we have this sort of rowing credible position where we discovered we see leaks where it's embassy cable from two thousand and ten. and this is from the embassy u.s. embassy in luxembourg right back to washington you had been in luxembourg campaigning for luxembourg to take the very detainees. used to big is doing our work for us he's articulate reason presentation makes for

a convincing argument is ironic that after four years over the president and alleged torture mozambique is delivering the same message to. the government of luxembourg as we are please consider accepting detainees for resettlement how does that make you feel that the ministration. sees you as their ambassador. well it doesn't do a great deal for my street credibility as a book but suffice to say that if the words of the u.s. ambassador had been taken that would be one thing but i'm pretty certain that i'm still regarded as an enemy combatant so let's talk about this extreme targeted courage prisoners role is to just to try and. try try to get prisoners released or at least have due process in your purse for them to advocate on their behalf. but now we see the u.s.

administration is using drone strikes to kill muslim radicals around the world. is cage prisoners out of a drop because you know you prison so many guantanamo bay they become a political problem. if you kill them you know political problem just to the point of death afterwards no man or problem we wish that we were out of a job i mean we love to be out of trouble and this is the sort of thing that every day when you're when you're dealing with cases they are very painful to deal with us individuals in this war and the family members of people we advocating for. i used to say that. bush was the president under whom extra judicial detention was taking place and obama is the president under whom extra judicial killing is taking place so obama did promise a change when he said change has come to america and this is it the changes from extra judicial detention to executable killing. two thousand and six

rarely. used. to be quite a fiery language when we see our brothers and sisters fighting in church you know iraq post like a. afghanistan there are no really example lives where you see hezbollah defeating the armies of israel you know what the solution is and where the victory was you know it is incumbent upon us to all of us to support the jihad of our brothers and sisters in these countries where we are facing a version by the west. that i saw that video and it to me it looks like a fiery muslim preaching jihad. why did you say this sort of bombing this comes in the context of. israelis having bombed qana and in the cold masses of civilians that this is in two thousand and six now i know you have to understand is that you know as far as muslims are concerned at the

moment you know they are under attack in countries you know all over the world oh you know hundreds and thousands of people dying and i think to be our concept of just how you know at least in its current iteration is that you know as muslims we have the right to defend ourselves and there is no no point of saying that. these people are being killed that is a not a patient clone or domination racism taking place and that these people they should be allowed to defend themselves of issues keep being slapped and killed and raped and that they're not allowed to defend it and defense here means military resistance of course and all of these countries should be not i mean that's on the full the full speech and i and i talk within that speech as well about how we as muslims in the u.k. you know should be supporting you know these people by lobbying by campaigning by effectively trying our best to support them and i and i very much believe that you know it's part of our obligation to do so i mean the point is that it's not about

conflict being the solution and that's something that you know we advocate against ourselves myself particularly i don't believe that violence is a solution a dialogue is the only salute. and at the same time i believe that everybody has a right to defend themselves but what about his defense as an example in china. school of course three hundred seventy people died i mean is there all sorts of neutral problems interest in your own political about iraq and i would use a tart very would say. very were defending. america. is that type of defense of. islam that i i i agree with myself i don't think islam included it's the right way of going about doing things. i don't live in those circumstances i can't islamic leaders for eventually make a statement about this i'm not a muslim scholar you know i disagreements with you know the way all the uses its

tactics around the world i don't think it's productive in terms of what it's trying to what the end goal is trying to achieve at the same time the general concept and this is what i was talking about in that speech is a you know people have a right to defend themselves you know and they should not be denied that right simply because you know america believes that it holds the moral authority in the world and that's the point that i think there's an interesting point to be made just about jihad because it's this term that's so. so so so blatantly and without people really understanding what it is and we supported you had let's just admit this the british government bought over one hundred fighters in the seventy's and eighty's trained them by the s.e.s. in in snowdon britain supported jihad again just a few months ago when they were supporting. would you even fighters who call themselves mujahideen in libya against gadhafi so you've got this play with words to within the media say well jihad is bad except when we say it is and this is the

sort of thing that we as a cage prisoners as an or as an organization that's part that's muslim like to introduce and explain to people that you're being hoodwinked by the poll. and the media when they use the term a belief system like you to treat christians. what did bush do right. you know he would argue that. there were no terrorist attacks or any significance on the mainland of united states post two thousand and one. and. how did you choose that or if i was arguing is. that there are all sorts of or some very wants preventative detention. terrorizing people absolutely terrorizing people with examples of going to. detention without trial

arbitrary execution eccentric i think in your answer to your question what did bush do right. i don't know if he did anything right in terms the world or there was a bush prior to that and it's interesting you got some al-qaeda type scholars in saudi arabia have actually said that we supported you coming to power it's interesting that they actually said that we were happy when you came to power you seem to be a person who was of the same mind as us and then he of course he said. yes yes he said that this crusade is going to take a while and once he said that everything went wrong from that point on it's one of our didn't want to be looking to write. well if you take a look at what he did at the time when the soviets occupied afghanistan and iraq supporting him he did everything right put up point on which he did everything right because he was being supported by the west and it was the evidence for it what he did wrong i don't mean what the worst of it were you know i know you

believe it i know and as i think i was right too i think that was right to the afghans to be able to break themselves with the support of everybody was open it was was absolutely right but. as far as. the ordering of the attacks if that's what he did and that's still i don't know in my mind it's not been established because he didn't have due process. if that's what he did it was wrong because it started a chain reaction that we've not been able to recover from since. but why do you think that he as a leader. why was he successful i don't know if he was are you to first of all i mean i think that the perpetrating myth of al qaeda in the in the new europe and all the al qaeda franchises were all part of well if you're going to say we're all qaeda will be al qaeda but i don't think it really existed in the way that we've been told and there's a great myth about how big it was and its reaches as a person as a figurehead for people. people simply saw if you go in the muslim world the

attitude to different people made most of them don't agree with nine eleven they don't agree with targeting civilians and there's been a great deal of that taking place in the muslim also and with a little in the muslim world before it was you what was the world i don't think he was i don't think was greatly known i think. if anything in the gulf countries and those people who'd been part of the struggle the fight to get the jihad against the soviets he was known in that circle of people definitely because of his personal sacrifice and his integrity and all of the things that he'd done which you would not expect a very a billionaire to do but after that i think is influence as being. if it's been seen for. something greater than it really is people were going it wasn't the united states didn't just attack with some bin laden that into school after they went after nations and they killed tens of thousands of people in the process so bin laden may have come and gone it's irrelevant because those symptoms that bin

laden was addressing are still there. how would you primarily describe yourselves. the liberation of. people who like roof or processes intellectuals or. all of the above. and i think some of the those things don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive to one another you know being muslim means standing up for justice means being a little bit radical also means being a little bit conservative means all of those things the same time you know you know god says in the koran that be just even if it goes against yourself that's a very very important part of who we are what our character is that and even if it meant. effectively having to give evidence against ourselves in some way that we

would always do what was most unjust in any circumstance you know and that's that's how we formulae are our courage is justice is in many ways more important than the many other things they do to make it or ins struggling for individuals liberation from imprisonment and being imprisoned as yourself. in the struggle for people's liberation the group of people ration. do you think this is incompatible with. submission to god. you are in britain and thus you have to deal with other wills of other people other governments to submit to it or why did you find it extremely disconcerting and annoying. but don't you find it annoying to submit to that will of god well let's we say we all have one human being we have to submit to something we all have to submit to some kind of all the time and and i think when we my point is

about the muslim world in particular and not about the west has nothing to worry about in terms of of of us communities living here we understand the rules and regulations and we submit to them even if we don't. like it in some cases. but we're talking about in the muslim world i think that's really important to recognize a right across from the mother of all the way to indonesia that is a massive population so one fifth of the world's population want this and that's just from within the muslim community let alone what sort of they want what they want to give or they want but i'm saying that they want. all the religion to be a part of their life in terms of governance and in terms of their daily living routine and i think that's a choice that we should respect the problem is we have not respected that for the past hundred or so years so what do you think about the desire to unite muslim peoples into one islamic caliphate. one central point i

suppose all of lore and law being sure due to see that as a. possibility. i mean. i think right now the way that we're seeing how the muslim communities around the world are developing and especially i think the arab spring has given muslims a lot to think about you have different phenomena emotionally emerging in each country and it's very very different from place to place so what's happening in tunis and russia the whole new she is very very different to what's happening in egypt and. now the muslim brotherhood and the you know nor party so i think what we're seeing is that the kind of. statements that were made previously you know a lot of muslims will agree generally speaking with the concept of muslims uniting together that you know the reestablishment of

a highly faith in these are very kind of you know all the docs positions you know people have always held but what is the substance of those positions how does that formulate in terms of the modern world and we're going to be. watching muslims all over the world what's happening in israel what's happening in egypt what's going to happen in libya as they try and organize themselves voted with a lot of interest because these guys are going to actually for the first time really have the authority to try and in a normative way. balance up. you know what the slump or what the show you know requires officers muslims along side living in a western in a modern world what does your eye do you just a little quirk is it common for sharia law some american. between the two is a big questions and you know we mostly deal with the issue of people detained without charge or at all and stick to it we can't we don't that's not part of our

remit is not solving the world's problems but you know speaking on a personal level i think this is the great fear the great when they talk about the system of the caliphate if nobody gets terrified but in essence what would it be it would be a union of countries where they all speak arabic for goodness sake if in europe we've got fifty different languages and people are trying to come together and have no states and one monetary union so we're wondering to do introduce the european union has caused me a bit of grief of course because it has of course it has yes an extradition warrant which allowed people to to be moved in freely yes. big super states are actually the way to go it's not pleasant to be used to but here the difference i mean what i'm talking about is that what's what what links moral code to iraq what are the links cultural and most important like which us everybody you know like you can go to more go and speak arabic and speak arabic or and every country right in between there is something and that's

a unique fabric of our society if and what separates us in europe is the language it's primarily language us and so you've got that because it historically it used to be there before and if you look at the countries for it i mean there. already speak arabic what is what would be the new thing what would be new it is the is the unity would not be based upon their own personal nationalism this would be the difference because that's what we used to be like before nationalism really been instilled after somebody came along and on the map of africa drew a line and said you're libyan your algerian your so and so they if they are able to return to in the modern context of course to something that allows that sort of unity it would give them a great deal of strength and i think that's where the worry is in terms of the west is that we will have another powerhouse here established doorstep that we don't want a lot of thought about what type of. we don't use huge some not are not talking

about that is actually practical to implement there are you know if you if you were islamic law for a day. well we don't really use those terms her friends but. islam is a normative legal system just like any other we have effectively statute and case law like any other normative legal system anywhere in the world and so for us there is a rule of law that we have to follow you know and in many ways some of the complaints they often hear about the way that islam is is implemented the sharia is implemented is the fact that it totally goes against. what the rule of law requires from the from the sharia from the from the moment to legal system itself so for example you know when you consider the. stoning for adultery. the requirement the evidentiary standard is for live witnesses to the act of social relations at the time that it's taking place from

a demo day free perspective it's almost impossible to establish that this is some kind of party that's going to look at where it is you know it's very very difficult to establish that criteria so the fact that you have in this book to punish for that punishment turning to the. yeah the fact that you have a punishment even taking place means that effectively the rule of law is being abused at some point because it's impossible to establish that if you don't treat the standard but i would be ready for you know this story to do through but i mean the whole point is that that was never envisaged really do you would you agree i owe you my i'd agree with the islamic concepts of of of how we practice our punishments generally speaking what they are whether or not they lose their they even though he was really it's a really important i did all the hours or so i was reporting. courage not even preventing terrorism is your personal peace and these are exactly what actually. really are your personal opinion is the death penalty is ok but from an islamic perspective yes as long as all the true persons and women saw are meant then it can

be depending on if all the elements are there i think you know what happens and when that when people discuss sharia it's everybody discuss chris crime and punishment all the punishment the hoot so what we're talking about is the hood or the punishment aspect that's not sharia the show is the law. you know the whole rewrite the whole process is what i want to get here and none of us none of us really sort of qualified to talk about it in the way that it should be discussed in terms of of the country establishing itself and i'm formulating these rules and primarily because no country has applied them since the fall of the you know the caliphate of the ottomans so it's it's in essence a theoretical discussion that's something you do you think develop this the you go back to the origins of the order and coeff it. in the absence of. islamic state. that most people would want to leave it seems. would you

agree to talk to many maybe look let me tell you a very interesting point when there was a when the caliphate was. abolished one of the floors and called the awesome hell it was a polished on the first people to advocate for it was one disc a gandy and the reason why is because he understood that was this was something that was central to the fabric of islamic history. and so i think the call for the establishment of a caliphate or perhaps not even using that word but a united muslim bloc is something that most people would want and i think to museums would go. where muslims were in the news you speak we speak a bit of french. literary. and we want self-determination self-determination and. by not showing up too much with egypt it was not made in egypt i think of course that's you know and the arabs

have attempted it they've tried to do the different organizations sort of just arab unity but this goes beyond arab unity and this is i'm talking about islamic unity which includes turks it includes iranians it includes pakistanis in the news it's huge it's massive why have unity well why would europe want to do the whole point of unity there as i think there will be and i think the reason your wanted you to actually was set up by the states to make the united states of europe that would be economically powerful aren't in order to combat the soviet union that's why i think and i think i think that the reason i'm now doing now it's it's a trade block right the reason for unity would probably be. economics of course defense of course. and you know it's a harking back to history where you could travel from one point to the other unhindered because you're a citizens of you're a citizen of this land and that this land isn't divided based upon colonial

principles so you're a muslim passport well i don't i don't know you know that i don't know about that but i mean it's just the same ways as if you have in europe you have the ability to travel within europe and very very freely. part of your own they don't enjoy the right to work in your extreme right right. possibly. mostly so no it's come back to its roots there's all sorts of things to do in life why are you doing it because it's so simple. i asked first because. i find myself changing quite radically but i mean seeing one time and seeing indefinite suspension not charged in the u.k. the extradition act you know all of these things common in telling you well actually the norms being abused here and for very specific purposes and all of that kind of convinced me that i used to be involved something that was working against these these policies and prisons and is this an important voice for muslims it's an empowering works it's one that we hope tells muslims that you can actually stand up

for yourself you can stand up for for the right thing without feeling as if you're doing something criminal i think for me it's obvious that it's part of something that i've been affected by something that i constantly even if i didn't want to do it i'd be affected by it to this day so that it's something that i think people would say that it's something called survivor's guilt that you will survive a particular trauma but other people left in that situation are not surviving so you have an obligation upon yourself to fight for them i hope i feel i have a lot just a moral and religious but also an ex duty based upon my own personal experience and ability. if i know i can do it but i have to do it right i think.

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so when you want to be president and you. want to. have to go right to the press this is what before three of them or can't be good. i'm interested in the water. should. you know world. a big part of the movie lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks.

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