thanks a lot for having me larry and i do my best with the limited time we have to explain this incredible story so first of all how did i even join the ben carson and donald trump campaigns because that's actually the origins of how i got caught in this crosshairs i had been working whole campaign season where i was working with personalities like doug feith such crops he scooter libby these were all the bush george h.w. george w. bush reagan officials who were basically the neo conservatives of our country and at that time who were my mentors and colleagues fast forward to the summer of two thousand and fifteen i see an opportunity to leverage those ties to join presidential campaigns i had been working on very sensitive projects with these individuals regarding energy discoveries in the mediterranean offshore israel and how that would affect both u.s. policy towards israel and the middle east in general and obviously security partnerships so we were promoting an agenda at the time that was anathema to the obama administration those countries were listening to us i remember we were

hosting conferences at the hudson institute that were tracting the ambassadors of these countries ministers even the prime minister we were being invited to go over to israel to cyprus to egypt to meet with their israel israel baby wake yes israel was exactly a heart of gold is that's exactly so so i get involved with this sort of there's a target on me this is what i later found out actually just recently by congressman mark meadows who's been releasing testimonies from various members of the f.b.i. the d.o.j. and even my testimony which suggests that because of those ties i had a feisal warrants and other surveillance warrants on me that resulted in this target that followed me through the campaign and resulted in all of these various characters and spies that i detail in my book to come after me why you that's exact that's a great question of my my of belief is because i was in london at the time when i was working on the tram campaign and because of this target that had been far.

between the time i was on the run carson campaign and from campaign it was much easier to have me under surveillance in a foreign country because that's where i was based for the first two months of the campaign so while i was in london all of a sudden i would start to have these intelligence officials from the u.s. embassy in london reach out to me i had british government officials australian government officials at the highest level you can imagine alexander downer who was the head of the australian equivalent of the cia for seventeen years the d i a. number two at the british foreign ministry affairs these guys were all reaching out to me asking me a couple questions one what's your involvement with the israelis and two what's trump doing with the russians this is what this was all about so did you have a russian connection that's the that's the million dollar question that my answer is i've never been to russia i've never met a russian official in my entire life and actually all of my work leading up to my work my time on the campaign was very hostile to russia because i was in the energy

business and the last thing you're doing as an american person is promoting russian interests but didn't you met meetings with donald trump say that you could introduce him we'll get him involved with russian that's the key part of this entire conspiracy the guy who i met who told me that he could introduce trump to the to lead a mere putin and also the russians was actually introduced to me by an f.b.i. intermediary in london at a company i used to work for and then all of a sudden one day this man joseph smith. he's a multi is academic and former diplomat connected to various socialist groups in europe and even to the clintons over lunch in london at this beautiful hotel he tells me hey george you know that the russians have hillary clinton's emails and i was dumbfounded i stood back and i said wait a minute what's going on here why are you telling me this information and he was acting like he was an intermediary between trump and putin but he never even could introduce me to any russian official. so i was suspicious fess for to my f.b.i.

interview that got me in trouble i told the f.b.i. when they're asking me have you been in talks with the russians or about hacked e-mails or anything like that after they had been talking to me about my contacts with the israelis for two hours i said no but there was this man joseph smith this maltese man who told me that the russians have e-mails you should look into him i noticed something very strange about the f.b.i. agents responses there was no response it's as if i told them the sky is blue and two plus two equals four when i told them this information about this man who had a parent information about russians in hillary clinton's e-mails and now what's been revealed and what's unfortunately after i pled guilty and i couldn't take my guilty plea back that this guy looked like he was working with western intelligence operatives and the possibly the cia itself why did you believe well look at the time i pled guilty i had been violently arrested at an airport ok i was under sealed. well i had seven f.b.i.

agents essentially rushing me off of a shuttle bus at an airport after i hadn't slept in thirty hours i'm thrown into the back seat of a tinted black s.u.v. thrown in a prison cell without understanding why i was being arrested so i get there i soar negotiating with the special counsel i have no idea what's going on you know they're talking in circles they're describing this character joseph smith so to some sort of russian spy but he never was obviously that's what the big scandal is today and i basically plead guilty without understanding exactly what the real case was against me you want to pardon my i have new legal counsel no hope for a reason and they formally have applied for a part and now they think there's a just reason and basis for that i don't expect it but if i'm obviously granted one i'd honorably accept where you heard one trump kind of dismissed you you know what will a nonentity you're you know what the way my status of offense was written in such a. czar manner and filled with lies and innuendo i would have done the same thing

if i was donald trump i would have distanced myself from somebody who worked for me to have it look like he was up to no good so now obviously that the facts are coming out and you know people are really understanding what this entire fabricated investigation was all about the president himself just a couple days ago was retreating on his twitter account a segment about my story and about my set up so that the tides of change that i've heard from a pariah within the republican party and possibly even the country itself to now basically somebody who could possibly expose a. possibly the biggest spying scandal in modern history are you still a fan of the presidents i think the president is doing an incredible job i never lost faith in the president i knew my story from the beginning ok i just was under a gag order and i couldn't talk and i couldn't have go on shows like yours or others and reveal the truth of what really happened in my case and i'd think the

president was under tremendous pressure the last two years and he still was able to govern in an incredible an incredible fashion he's doing great work with china by imposing tariffs he's fulfilling his campaign promises regarding immigration and obviously security in this country and around the world has been stabilized now with the defeat of isis so he's i think in foreign policy the economy he's doing an incredible job and now that the handcuffs have obviously been on been removed from him regarding this investigation it's probably going to help propel him to two thousand and twenty victory as you look back. with the motor report kind of balancing everything out you did at the plead guilty defense that's exactly the the the the really sad situation but you know a life is it's an incredible journey and might have been my destiny to plead guilty because if i didn't maybe no one would have known who i was or what the story involved so i yeah i pled guilty i did a level nights in jail you know it wasn't

the worst thing in the world of course no one wants to go to jail but i don't know maybe. that was my destiny and it's going to expose something a lot more sinister than these fake of russian contacts that i apparently had that come in the middle of this crossfire do you try to get in contact with the president at all. you know for two years i was legally prohibited from talking to the president his team or anyone in my circles so imagine being a doctor and you're not allowed to operate on your patients you could be the best doctor in the world but if you can't talk to your patients or operate on them you're sensually you know out of the loop so just recently that gag order and that restriction has been lifted and you know i haven't talked to the president obviously directly and that's not my intention but i've been going on you know fox and us a mess and b. c. and c n n and programs like yours and i'm sure he's listened to some of the things i've been saying what do you make of the homo investigation in my couple sentences

i believe the more investigation was designed for one reason the one reason only and that was to cover up surveillance abuse by the obama administration on people like myself mike flynn manna ford and carter page but unfortunately that's not going to happen because the president just a couple days ago or maybe last week was on hannity and hannity asked him a couple questions are you going to pardon papadopoulos and flynn he demurred and he said look it's a sad situation look we'll get back to that later but right now the most important thing is declassifying all this fight. three o two is and figuring out how this entire investigation started and sure you know when that happens it's going to probably present a much more clear picture to the american public on the resume names just give me a quick thought sure muller corrupt corrupt. trump outstanding sessions'. falsely. unethical

hope picks. stalwart peter struck. another corrupt official putin. put in a smart guy that neo outstanding leader. are you a prime interest internationally still israel yes so that's actually my entire business was i was a energy advisor working in for motoring american companies in israel so i spent a lot of time and tell of these in jerusalem and in that part of the world promoting not only american companies operating there but obviously promoting it israel is an independent energy producer so i still have contacts there we'll see what happens now as my story comes out in a vomit exonerate i'd love to get back to you are doing a little more business in israel in that part of the world for sure great seeing you thank you so much larry i really appreciate you having the judge probably double as the book is deep state target how i got caught in the crosshairs of the

plot to bring down president trump it's out now and available everywhere including the download a lot more politicking after the break. rush and why it's. you know world of big partisan movies a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back shouting past each other it's time for critical

thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. there are a flaunting russian airlines. there are millions of people in america and around the world who are better educated than ray dahlia but in order to succeed on wall street you need to complete lack of

empathy this is been driven in study after study after study re dahlia has no consideration about the effect he's having our society and the rock the ruination of the lives that is contributing to my being a leak on the system with as hedge fund that's the lack of empathy and play there that takes a certain kind of myopia and stupidity to work yourself into that state. u.s. veterans who come back from war often to the list seems to or is. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either there already is several generations of them so i just got this memo from the circular defenses offices we're going to attack and destroy the government and in seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with them money those with their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and

willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort or uneasiness for peace. will go back to politics. founder of common good philip k. howard joins me from new york in addition to his many years working with that non-profits with advocates the simplifying of us government he's also an award winning author and sought after commentator in his new book try common sense replacing the failed ideologies of the right and the left and it's a pleasure to finally welcome and to talk about his strong narry career and tom and since outlook if the philip of the right and the left have failed and then doesn't seem to be in the middle what's less well there's what's left is

a vacuum and that's both a problem and an opportunity ok we know the problem what's the opportunity the opportunity is serious this incredible mass of americans who are frustrated to death with the dysfunction of government meanwhile both parties argue about their partisan goals the green new deal or building the wall and neither of them is really addressing what makes americans angry so someone can come in and fill that vacuum and do i think i historic spring cleaning of washington when was in in your opinion the healthiest time in this government oh. i think the one nine hundred fifty s. were not perfect but they were valid very healthy after the war there was a sense of the common good the interstate highway act was passed in one thousand nine hundred fifty six twenty nine pages and ten years later twenty thousand roads miles of roads have been built and so there are so sort of

a balance sense of how the society should work and i think the eighty's were ok but then they started degenerating into this kind of kudzu of bureaucracy that's gotten worse. sure but there needs to be a vision or overhaul of government but i think americans really need a leader who has moral authority who stands up and tells the truth about washington which is you can't go into a problem with thousand page rule books and solve the problem you need to go into a problem and roll up your sleeves and do it it takes to solve the problem and that requires replacing all those thousand page rule books with with something that looks more like goals more like the constitution goals and principles you try commonsense why don't we well because washington has become a kind of deviant subculture where everybody there does really well. tell you on

this tug of war and they're so lost in the jungle of bureaucracy that literally you got to meet i testified before congress regularly you go to meetings here and talk about problems and it's beyond their comprehension to do what americans in the rest of the country do up every day which is to take a problem figure out what it takes to solve it and make some decisions the term came to washington vowing to drain the swamp and cut red sweet do you see any sign of. well you know i think that instinct is right but remember obama got elected promising change we can believe their truck because they didn't get that change and doll trumps phrases right i think we should train the swap but his idea of it is basically the old republican idea of deregulating and it's an amputation getting rid of environmental protection is not what people want what

they want to get rid of it big brother breathing down their necks all day long do you see you say the big change is inevitable. it is inevitable i mean this is the first shoe to drop i think with president obama's election now you've got the needle going all the way to the other side with donald trump selection now you've got people running to the left advocating for socialism changes in the air the question is where is there a coherent vision for good change to restore what was healthy and and so important about american democracy which is a sense of individual ownership of our choices where communities can take ownership for their schools and local services and people can wake up in the morning. thinking knowing that they can make a difference and that requires a new way of governing and is that going to be easy to have them

know it's not going to be easy because washington is filled with vested interest it's going to want none of those changes so one of the things i recommend to try common sense is that most asians he should get moved out of washington we should distribute agencies all around the country there's no reason in the world why with modern communications the f.d.a. can't be in san diego in the transportation department can't be in kansas city. americans or most people usually respond to a leader right someone tums along and carries the team do you see someone like that now. well actually a leader is usually don't lead with ideas they pick up on other people's ideas so there are a lot of leaders out there who who agree with what i'm saying so for example former. governor mitch daniels of indiana now the president of produce

is very much aligned with what i'm talking about former senator al simpson who's now in his eighty's but but al is very in line with this you know and. there's a long shot name a crowded candidate named andrew yang is a very smart young man sort of forty four years old who who is the one candidate i'm aware of who's talking about structural change bill weld said he wants to challenge president trump is talking about structural change but if we look back. roosevelt was a classic example of someone who really brought about change right right and he did that because he had a country in depression yes that's correct and if you look at history you'll see that every thirty or forty years in the history of america there's been a major shift in the way we governed the last time was the one nine hundred sixty

s. which was prompted by the civil rights movement and the environmental movement in protest against the guess the vietnam war the time before with roosevelt could were facing a crisis of the great depression and that prompted his leadership to to introduce social safety nets the time before with a progressive era when we got rid of less a fair could be realize or couldn't trust factory owners not to abuse child labor. so we're overdue for a change and i think the change should be back to human responsibility away from micromanagement away from one size fits all rules and more to one where government has an important role setting goals and principles but not telling people exactly how to how to dance their way through the day you've written that the decline of responsibility in washington over the past fifty years has been

accompanied by a rise in apathy in something since in the broader culture that means that couple of generations of americans have been affected how to how do we change that. you change it you change it with leadership and the first leadership we need is moral leadership we need leadership that tells people what they in their hearts will know is true which is they've got to take responsibility they've got to let other people take responsibility they've got to let themselves be judged by other people by how that for how they do and stop talking about every single issue in society as if it's a legal issue this is my right you know i can justify this by this language i mean all of government it's become this great clawing of people at the public trough trying to reach for something for themselves it's not everybody knows it's not healthy you recently said that a third party might be a good idea we almost had it with the perot why would it be

a good idea because both parties are trapped but not only by their idiology is they both have completely absolute best ideologies the the you know the republicans say no new taxes no you know complete deregulation was completely unrealistic and the and the democrats. say ever look at everything it's a matter of rights when democracy is really about balance so they're trying to govern by the lowest common denominator which doesn't really work and they're in the pocket of the public unions and the trial lawyers so they're not going to reform it either so i think we need a third party not so much to win as it is to pull both parties away from their extreme flanks and towards sort of what might be called a kind of a a rather radical centrist position of a position of remaking government so that it can actually accommodate. the needs of

a free society you optimise a good pessimistic. well i guess i'm an optimist or i wouldn't be doing this but but what i'm calling for in try common sense is it is a historic event but my view is we're going to get something historic it could be bad i think what both parties are calling for bad or could be good and so so i think it's time i didn't commit i think there's a hunger for what i'm calling for you also called for a practical society what do we mean by practical what i mean by practical is that people. make choices on the ground in other words you know when you go into a classroom as a teacher you can't read a script and have it be effective first it's boring secondly you're not responding to the needs of the interaction of the students in the classroom you need to be and

you know you need to adapt you need to be agile and that's true in doing doing anything it's true and filling a hole you know it's certainly true and anything complicated running a hospital or whatever you need for people to be able to make judgments on the ground in the circumstances and the horror of bureaucracy is it tells people it diverts people into doing all this compliance filling out forms nobody reads you know twenty one states now have more administrators than they have teachers in their school system i mean it's just it's a completely bureaucracy is unbelievably expensive if we went to the system i talked about and i calculate this in the book. we could save a trillion dollars a year just in getting rid of unnecessary red tape still a visit great finally having you on i hope we look forward to many more visits it's

great to be with you larry the book again is strike common sense replacing the failed ideologies of the right and left it's out now in available everywhere including think download. thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page and tweet me of kings things and don't forget use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. aeroflot russian airlines. you know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy and stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need

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