hello and welcome to crossfire we're all things are considered peter lavelle what is the definition of insanity doubling down on the conspiracy theory and why russia may be the key to peace on the korean peninsula. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dmitri he's a political analyst with spook nick international and in nicosia we crossed alexander christopher oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let me go do i cyprus first. i really have to say

watching the panels angeles panels on c.n.n. and and miss n.b.c. it looks like a psychiatric. ward and they're all going through some kind of group therapy they can't they can't even get past denial so they're doubling down that's what i'm calling this program your reaction. yet peter i you know i really hope that they release an underage back did the report because you had the first time that they that they suffered this breakdown which was when barr gave his four five page summary they couldn't accept it now they have the redacted mueller report a month later and they still can't accept no collusion no obstruction i really really hope you did they release a third report so we can call the next cross talk triple down because they won't accept any. being other then you know taking taking trump out of the white

house in ariz judge jumpsuit in handcuffs when they've lost their mind yes but alex there will there certainly will be more reports but it's going to be the other shoe dropping it will be very interesting how they cover those reports are demon is that it's just part of the business model i mean they don't know what else to do other than attack the president of the united there's many reasons to attack donald trump and his administration and many of his policies but this isn't it they can't let it go it's it's a stockholm syndrome playing out. of a group therapy a therapy of all saw there are kinds of propaganda and the simplest propaganda is an assertion you just say that something happened and people are basically gullible they want to believe what they hear and try to it's a cult it's a it's a it's a it's a secular religion for them or absolutely and look at what this report actually

says about the russian intelligence about the rule it's an assertion you know their rule had to d.n.c. is sir and pass this information out of me or putin had an towards hillary clinton how do we know these things they never tell us if zali one calls your hitler compares you to hitler if someone compares your country to the third reich i think you would be an idiot not to feel in tipper think of this person right if someone calls a person hitler without any apparent reason for them and they spoke and keep the thing to do of the insulter that's the problem of the insult it's not the problem of the person who gets insult and if they initiated this here let me go back to go back to cyprus here what i find very curious about this report muller actually gave the democrats in the never trumper as a way out these ten theories about obstruction i find it very strange. because he

did an investigation and it goes one way or another indictments are no indictments this is a dead end is really what's going to keep the democrats in the never never truckers to keep them safe sheeted for the next two years because they don't know what else to do they're so invested in this ridiculous hoax that they have to keep it going because if they don't they have to admit they were wrong and these people don't have the moral caliber to admit they're wrong alex yeah mueller did give them some some fuel to fire this hoax for maybe all the way up until two thousand and twenty peter but i mean the second part of the mule report all that really was saying was that trump is angry got angry that there yeah he's angry that they're investigating him for a crime that no one knows what that crime is so i mean they're investigating him for something that no one understands happened a lot of assertions like the most said a lot of assertions and trump is just you know mulling around the white house upset

that's the entire second part of the report and here comes a bar here because barr who is going to do what trouble probably is in two thousand and sixteen peter barr is going to drain the swamp and the optics the optics of that press conference we've talked about it many times was bar take control in a very calm manner and who was behind him like a deer that is just seen right head like this or rot rosenstein rod rosie was brought to heel and you could see it in his face and yeah that's a very good point but demon you know from our perspective our side of the pond here comes to the conclusion that there was no collusion but it damaged u.s. russia relations amazingly so almost to the point of irrepairable so there is a consequence so we have a fake we have a hoax conspiracy but we have real policy changes that are very. very dangerous

even though it's not only the thirty five million dollars that are spent on the mueller's commission and this tax payers money the real damage is much greater because not only do we have the sanctions and the mutual sanctions between russia and the united states and the euro then of course the e.u. at least five hundred billion dollars that's according to the united nations special report true on the case but add to this the increased military spending. you know the direct damage from the damaged u.s. russia trade relations add to that increased tensions with china you know which were indirectly heightened by all of this add to this the tensions in the middle east that's terrible and why did all of this stuff because of christopher steele's dossier and i was just amazed to know that is yesterday's wall street drawing though that this was from the last week after two years away invest or investigation hundreds so we need to be less endos and so when dykeman's missed it

you would be used to have called into question christopher steele's assertions finding no evidence no truck should have assessed all of this but trump the luncheon prostitutes the former new dancing mosco assertion alexander kristof are going to have a surge here it doesn't even reach the level. ok i mean here we go here here we have this this fake dasi this this fairytale it is used for pfizer warrants and then you have jim comi in january two thousand and seventeen saying it is salacious an unverified but it was useful enough in front of advisor court this is what barr is going to show us we already know it he's going to give us the evidence he's going to connect all the dots go ahead alex. yeah you know they hardly even mention the christopher steele reported in the mueller you know the final report that hardly mentioned the dossier this thing like the most said thirty

thirty five million they could have solved this entire case they could have cracked this case peter with a thousand dollars all they needed to do was get on a plane go to london go to the ecuador embassy you've got interview assad you've got to be cut a deal with him you got it extra yeah you're right you're absolutely right and have access to extradite steel bring him to the u.s. not extradite assad to the u.s. extradite steel bring them to the u.s. question him it's over then you understand exactly what happened the whole thing is one big farce it's all built on lies and they lied the whole way through peter for months buzz feed it has had on their site they've had their site the entire what mike michael tracey pointed out that they had to retract the entire story that they were pushing about the mosque out hotel room about you know they can cope with law that trump you know prompted cohen to lie to the f.b.i.

all these things they quietly retracted it and michael tracey pointed it out his twitter for months later you know it's a game it's very interesting is they. were constantly. in our position in this our opinion our approach to it is that we are focused on facts but we have the other side again to go to the beginning of the program that lead the psych wards on c.n.n. and miss them b. c. they were driven purely by hatred and emotion facts get in their way that's why they don't use them well the first method of propaganda is assertion and the second is bandwagon everyone is saying it i mean this is the whole idea how can wall street journal not publish something in it when the washington post is publishing it the new york times suspicion it well they all fake information on saddam hussein's weapons of mass destruction this is the same story about kerry to the us soil and the whole problem is that if saddam hussein progress on hussein even

better to investigate us than mr mueller they will not need hundreds of indictments to crack basically a yellow breast story you know about these prostitutes but the problem is that the american media and the american government would ignore it they just couldn't ignore mueller because there had been heaping praise on him for for many months and luke all of that basically abusing their report as the journalists it could be used to have debunked their reports claims that michael cohen. a twenty claimed distantly met with greg an official sin proc to coordinate taking with the russian officials and of course but they sent several reporters to prague in statement only several believe exists looking for a language that you just this repeatedly it appears. really it appears really ok this is this is what i'm getting to let me let me go back to alex in

cyprus here which really interesting if you look at it. as a. political actor here it's really quite remarkable that he. was saying to miller now he's demon miller that you had jim comi you know the sainted one then the demonized one everybody that gets involved in this hopefully boring bar no pun intended that will get past it because of him because anyone that jumps into this is just grinded away ok go ahead alex go ahead yeah that's a great point peter the media has already turned on bar yeah but you know bar we've discussed this many times bar doesn't need he has already not done to suit up he's got nothing to lose exactly he has nothing to lose so he's doing this out of a higher purpose out of a higher calling and peter mark my words i know you probably think the same way rod rosenstein knows where the bodies are buried right rosenstiel am this going today also are which of this is going to be the material of another program which you

will be on because we've already discussed it and we're still connecting our dots here last ten seconds go ahead well i would point to our attention to the fact that the nazis also used bandwagon the whole nation says yes at the election of one thousand nine hundred thirty four the whole american media is decide you're going to tell you where we are wrong to go to a break here i want to thank you alexander christopher for joining us in cyprus we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on real news stay with our team.

if we could only be done. for the. i'll sell some properties to me if you know but it took you to fall false. already making it up a thing like that plane you don't really. know you among the group was a smile. to belittle them if you did it well yeah except you're then he says the polls with folks like me and the folks at the security hole

deployable pick up. i. will. pay you paul sancho. wall enclosure we're going to produce a. lead singer. it is a world salute to the pacific that this was the last stop at the push and i was full force has. claimed. i didn't think the numbers mean something they've mattered us with over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime families each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich with six percent world

market thirty percent some with one hundred to five hundred three per second per second and if we rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers over. the only number you need to remember one one business show you know ford the mid one and only boom box. live. welcome back to crossfire where are all things considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing some real news. and now to london where we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics first magazine marcus thank you for joining us today you suggested me we do a segment on north korea and i'm very glad we did i hope that mike pompei o.

is watching to find out how how he may be able to return to north korea to lead the american delegation because apparently he's person and non grata the the north koreans accused him of being a talking nonsense and showing a lack of maturity well he's been doing that all over the globe where do we stand with north korea go ahead. well because there is a false coming meeting between kim jong un and slightly mate who sings this constitutes a reward tonight see for russia so resurrect it soviet era for dominance in north korea because as i told canal relations between north korea and china away from the late nineteenth full taste of the maids nineteen eighties lost it was crew was a little curious most important part boss on the may call who bitch often bogus yeltsin's relations between russia and will create that c.b.s. since because both men of faith or its relations are south korea and of course

china took advantage of that box in two thousand and nineteen china now regards north korea as salsa before in its signs in its trade relationship with america and russia walkin russia again lushin gain a lot of economic benefits in north korea for example who believed in civilian infrastructure breaches eccentrics at yourself but also very sincere shrewd parrots if that russia because the americans as they're doing anything you're trying to surround russia in the far east surrounded them with basis but also a south korea is host to an american missile system which is aimed at russia's strategic neutral it's herons so if russia can become again the predominant outside force in north korea then russia would be able to count the american the growing

american military threats on its borders in the following the markets who are to mention south korea. russia and china have come out with blueprints. or road maps to resolve the standoff on the peninsula in their longstanding ok and there and i think they're very via. well here you mentioned south korea russia has a good relationship with south korea is well and we know that that it's the south koreans in after it in the wake of the failed to noyo summit which i believe was intentionally sabotaged by john bolton and mike pompei o m people like that this is an opening to deal with north and south korea simultaneously as and as i said in my introduction the peninsula they're looking at the entire peninsula go ahead and comment on that. well yes it's absolutely correct in the last twenty five or so it is russia has developed

a very cool to all relationship with south korea and that is good for pace on the korean peninsula that is good for peace in the general region however the problem is that like turkey south korea is a strategic ally of the americans and that is not going to change and that is why the south koreans to the discuss of the russians a few years ago agreed to host an american missile system so that is why despite russia having good relations we have so it is absolutely imperative for russia suit to vacuum which is being created in north korea because china is starts in to distance itself and its last can do that then it will help to secure its security in the far east because the american presence is growing considerably there ok demon go ahead come in we've talked about well i agree with marcus i think

that basically there's a big change behind all these which is a challenge for russia for china for north korea and for a lot of countries in the region because what was the idea behind mr trump exiting the i.n.f. treaty they into media and the medium range missile treaty it was primarily in. europe it was a borrowed southeast asia you know i and they have prevents the united states from having their medium range missiles in southeast asia because they're too close to their former soviet union to russia so trump wants to scrap the treaty in order to deploy them used in south korea in japan basically targeting china and this is the reason why china is even more opposed to scrape in their nine after eight years than russia and this is a challenge which borders russia and china should face i guess nobody has any bright lights in in the washington consensus because it seems to me that maybe they

should have had an international agreement on these missiles and we've been resolved in a completely different way the difficulties are going to be huge and maybe even bigger than we can envision now because in fact relations between the soviet union and north korea were pretty bad between one thousand nine hundred. eighty five because north korea supported mollies china. improved in the media and then in one thousand eight hundred nine gorbachev recognized south korea in one thousand eight hundred eight and there was again a certain cool you know relations but still russia is the only country which south korea and north korea at least partially trust because you cannot trust mike but pale you cannot trust my companion russia is a neighbor it's in russia. and the reason why south korea is driven towards russia is because. mike pouncey can afford

a war on the korean peninsula south korea cannot join and cannot go back to you i mean there moaning we were hearing for from the administration the possibility of another summit i mean after the train wreck called hanoi what's the point and what would be different because the u.s. seems to have this need jerk reaction to anything it's always a to. a map from a list position i surrender and then we can talk all there's no way in the world north korea is ever going to do that and we've said this on this program for years go ahead marcus in london let me quickly just say something relations between north korea and china actually deteriorates it's in the one nine hundred sixty s. but return in-city presence you know paid i actually don't believe that the last meeting between trump and kim jong un was actually a failure because the fact that an american presence and a north korean leader are actually sitting at the same table very flare berna it's

that that is something better yes that is something to rejoice and you know it goes back to the one nine hundred ninety s. when bill clinton was considering a military strike against will react what if general sightings in an offense were going to war between north korea and america the american military would sustain something like one hundred thousand casualties south korean casualties would be something like one million so i think we should look joists that have been made since between truck trucks and kim jong il and now we have to talk about china in all of this china finds itself in a very difficult situation because yes trial is traditionally a close satellite signals korea but at the same time china is becoming embarrassed when i speak to chinese diplomats they do feel somewhat embarrassed because of their relationship with korea and the americans piling a lot of pressure on china as he used as leverage over north korea and the chinese student not want to do anything to jeopardize that trait relationship with america

and rightly so because china's economic progress over the last forty years has been built on the basis of its trade with america and its investments in america so push comes to shock china will walk away from the grid in order to maintain its relationship with america and i do understand that it's yet. another interesting county out here i agree with marcus completely the fact that they're talking is very important considering history here but donald trump is really owned this this is his i mean it's not this issue isn't something that is going to be resolved because of the underlings around him again the boltons and the pompei and but he is taking this on board is that going to make a difference i mean because we see you know very strange policy changes in syria and libya and this seeing this is the thing that trump is own this is what he wants his nobel prize for is that enough as i could and i mean considering these other

issues going on i just don't have a lot of confidence they're pretty skeptical i agree with mark marcus that they it's very important that john had this meeting with trump but who was against the deal it was their american liberal media you know it was a rachel lando oh my god peace could break out or you could break out they they suspected. of being soft on of supporting the dictatorship all of that nonsense we have been hearing that not from the republicans not from the hawks but from the supposed dolls from their peaceniks you know people who proclaim themselves rachel maddow just a few years ago she proclaimed herself to be a pacifist basically are they they they will do everything to scrap a possible deal between the united states and north korea and i tend to agree with the critics of trump that basically he just likes to be photographed next to celebrities and kim jong un is

a sort of celebrity or so we remember how trump tried to get our smart publicity out of it as possible you know meeting kim jong un in the in singapore and by blood but that's why results at the end of the day you're going to have to get some results here and that's when and considering even though i agree that the leaders are talking the policy really hasn't changed in north korea is made it very clear i think of. even the deadlines going into the air let's not forget that right at the small mint millions of people are suffering because of the sanctions against north korea they included not only weapons about also fuel you know so people in north korea are suffering without fuel and this is something that we need to remember that's much more important than the four top of mr trump larry let me jump in i want to give marcus the last forty seconds go ahead marcus well i think when it comes to the north korea and america we mustn't have unrealistic expectations both countries. see each other's throats so to speak for well over fifty years we must rejoice in the fact that they are now talking to each other that we must also

recognize this the reason why trump is at staple is because north korea has nuclear weapons sent his way. instead of strong would not be threats and us as we state our absolutely wonderful point your last word absolutely right and i think that that i hope that the treatment of by the united states of north korea will not induce other countries smaller countries to get nuclear weapons because this is what included that i was here just leaders for opening up a can of worms or we could talk about in nucular saudi arabia another nightmare scenario that's all the time gentlemen we have many thanks to my guest he remarks go to london and in cyprus and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk rules.

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