and published. second there's almost no concrete evidence to suggest that it was the russian government itself much was the sort of from a. design that was implementing a comprehensive strategy designed to determine the outcome of the presidential election the evidence of some from. most of it is some or based upon the assumption that any russian. citizen of consequence awol somehow was close to mr putin bugged out is not substantiated but was presented in the report well i would also take issue with sweeping we know that the miller probe indicted thirteen russian nationals on conspiracy charges that's in relation to social media campaign and twelve on hacking and dumping charges can twenty five people realistically even try to sweep

the election in a country of three hundred twenty seven million can be really do it in their quote systematic way though i don't cause if we're looking at is are key in practical terms in the hypothetical a and setting aside for a moment a question as to whether there was a winning strategy no. new no american politics as its own dynamic and intensity and the notion that somebody playing games at the margins of the election could could dictate or even influence the outcome is frankly frankly absurd. most of their food to compare russia with you know it is states the united states has been fall or effect in influencing the domestic politics of other kind. i mean

we're doing the and how the over the way venezuela and syria of doing that in russia reach i hope we can discuss but before we go there you sound a little bit skeptical about the scale of russian interference but i personally am it's important to point out that the crime and denies any connection to both ways off. the operations that miller pointed out the social media can be an end to hacking but i personally find the hacking and the dumping story believe it will because this is something that intelligence services around the world do you see each other they find vulnerabilities and they exploited them what i don't understand is why would the americans expect to be treated with the kid gloves particularly by the russians because americans believe we believe there were exceptional. prue augured as nobody knows.

who were in our possession and have some kind of obligation and act to set rules on to applause. from our own perspective and others tendency which is really rules are just in you know in the country sort of history and so definition center has become much more pronounced and so far as international affairs as concerned. with the end of the cold war and most especially the last few years as you know under mr mr trump you know in terms of hacking or surveillance electronic surveillance don't forget we know know that they enter say. you know applying electronic surveillance to national leaders. or on the world including the chancellor merkel in germany it was made

evident substantiated in the wiki leaks release is five five years ago and i assume eve the american intel had stumbled upon evidence of putin's wrongdoing they would not hesitate to release it would they know ordered i would simply be a practical calculation of whether it was seen to be the advantage of you know of washington i should may want to. point all the. personal all. of cause as well they do have some indirect knowledge in fact as has been made public. there are very technically conversant people experts who have worked in the national security agency including a former technical director of the security security agency who are version that the forensic evidence makes it clear that there was no hacking that instead

someone within their agency downloaded those files and pass pass them on and that has never been refuted and this is also that we kill leaks also alleges now the military port specifically states that in the view of the investigators russia perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and that's why it worked to secure that outcome do you agree with that assessment that. russia would be counting on trump more than it would be hoping to discount mrs clinton were let's let's be down to hours of this you have two people running for the presidency and it is just one of mrs clinton has called mr putin the new hitler the other is making considered dettori noises of his ability to cooperate or at least to

engage with with mr putin for whatever reason it wasn't based in on mr trump sort of serious systematic assessment but who many case that's what he would say so if that's the choice is. that it's evident the do whatever performs and any reasonable rational person would have the. for folks what you do about it or don't do and what effect you might lose a surfer questions well i think there's also a very specific russian context here because for the russians the clintons have come to you a pizza mob actually interference i mean it's not a secret that bill clinton worked very hard to get boris yeltsin elected as russian president in ninety nine to six sending his aides to moscow trashing the i'm after for a ten billion dollar loan hillary clinton also made her preferences known they had

of the two thousand and twelve elections when you consider all that clinton's history with russia didn't they legitimized luxury all interference long ago by the only example where yes you said a president. does something more american political elite tends to ignore and goes back to this notion which is very deeply rooted and ever can psyche you know to states being exceptional and having the right true true things and judge of those. alone. is. not there to understand they have to produce fully to their merkin psyche and it becomes more a matter of psychology and out of all of the politics but it is a fact that a lot of the north united states behave set precedence for other country

and legitimate as it is not a motion that's problem of it and the thinking of let's call it the political class in a row in washington that is an unfortunate reality of the situation but it's not only about the american public opinion it's also about. what people in other parts of the world think because i. it is the paradox of the american power that the american president has a much broader foreign policy discretion to a fact lives. of people in other countries than in his own country mrs clinton if elected she would her actions would have a much greater bearing on my life or people in syria than dan merica ends and i just wonder what is the you know of the appropriate the legitimate way all. you know voicing the concern about these kind of flitter should because she does have

a very very long and i would say very destructive track record it's very rare of her foreign policy issue war determine a national presidential election it's almost always domestic issues of one kind or another. shape the debate and influence how people vote second there tends to be a ted there is a tendency. to give the president a free. to do what he wishes to do internationally the domestically some of this is legal constitutional some of it is institutional some of it has to do with the fact simply that there is more consensus generally speaking on foreign policy about as than there is on on domestic matters now that's certainly true today and most specifically in regard true true russia in

a word his image of russia as a hostile power is pervasive in the states again for river ride ever of a sort of complex reasons well professor brown and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. going . to facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark so. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away

turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very first character that you type into the search bar it will always be worth one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results geist on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist the more rope we give them the sooner we're all. imagine that you run a blood bank and they in one room are dead patients they've been dead since two thousand and eight that would be j.p. morgan goldman sachs deutsche bank the n.p.a. society generali a just b. c. etc and in the other room you have a living middle class people and the point of blood bank is to take blood from the

living middle class people and to transfuse that blood to the dead banks next door that they've been dead now for more than ten years old ensuring that they have all that are in the middle class are going to start to suffer and suffer horribly and many of them will die by the way they won't be getting any of the blood from the other middle class people to keep them alive all the blood all the plasma goes to the dead. they can come and blow our brains out at any given time if we can't really do anything that actually america is the only country in the world where you can kill people outside of war and legally get away with. all the fog across stillbirth all the trouble here is free for all the point it's hollow playing the k.k.k. want to exist because america wants it to exist they are the biggest terrorist

group to ever operate in this country and they're dead to me they're worse off than the people who destroyed the world trade centers of the scroll why. welcome back to worlds apart with michael brown and professor emeritus of international affairs at the university of pittsburgh professor brennan just before the break we were talking about how. i think there were legitimate upper hand ssion about the kind of flip issue of that secretary clinton could have presented to the

world not to that americans but to the world especially dealing with her policy record in libya and syria but i think we may never know the full details of how those decisions were made because the clinton camp intentionally destroyed a lot of electronic records without ever facing the abstraction of john. this charges do you think she has anything to worry about now that mr trump has been cleared. no no she does a history. at this point. you know i should bear in mind that was true vote at the conclusion of the motor report was a dead been no collusion between mr trump and his immediate associates on the russian government you know most of those meetings and to do with trump's real

estate dealings and of the business activities involved involving russia. but what he's been cleared of blood in effect concluded that there probably was instructed obstruction of justice there was a good deal of evidence the other curb but the fine for pressing them a little he lay on the grounds that you cannot indict a sitting american president no we should say that's not constitutional it is not in the law or it is simply customary practice all policy or or or understanding that means it's up to the congress whether it wants to take that evidence and make it the basis for impeachment that's not going to occur of

though there is no appetite for that on since the republicans control the senate. it's a closed question what i don't understand is that how you keep you how you can accuse somebody of obstructing justice when there is no underlying crime because it's very clear from the miller reported that tromp and people around him received what was going on be the probe as a grape. injustice to him and in retrospect i wonder if they should actually be credited for exercising restraint rather than trying to obstruct what seemed to be a political injustice i mean there is no underlying crime how can he abstract or you can you can obstruct the process the legal process whatever it. in other words the obstruction of justice bill interfering with an investigation is a crime. and so though could be legal if if mr

trump or an ordinary citizen. would be legitimate legal basis for pursuing him. prosecuting him and seeking in and for obstruction of justice now that issue has been raised by some other republicans but i believe from what i understand that that's really a specious issue and rudy doesn't have any legal standing but if the concern is really so much with the with the process we know from n.b.c. reports that the clinton camp did everything they accuse trump all they relied on the for in their it's you against compromising information on him they handed out compromising in fraudulent material to the media and to the intelligence agencies they destroyed records i mean they destroyed their phones and their e-mail records isn't dr worth looking into for the sake of democracy and equal equal treatment

before a lawyer if nothing else there is but that's politics that's not a law or potential a sort of criminality in other words the points the moeller may the heading of obstruction of justice refer to his investigation and other. in other words a sump law it's simply a question of the games you play or the dubious actions you take to to influence the political process and that's was very often as was the case with richard nixon forty five years ago it's what happens once a. legal process has begun and that often leads to acts of criminality and sends people to jail rather than the original action of

initiated the process in the first place the u.s. attorney general william barr already pledged to investigate the the origins of the f.b.i. counterintelligence investigation into russia. there is a suspicion that the maybe another collusion the collusion between the democrats and the intelligence services if true and how big of a deal it's going to be you for a demo can publicly it's a big deal but if there were any truth to it but this is a propaganda campaign mr ball i don't think is just. an agent of mr trump he was just a point to a few months ago after a long interviews with mr trump and on a fact he. so well with this process in a quite disgraceful fashion as a spokesman for for the white house he has no credibility in the minds of anyone

but republican partisan but i suppose it will it's not going to be him personally looking into that if he were to appoint somebody like let's say robert miller again to investigate another killer collusion do you think that would have more credence in your eyes no i think at the end of the day is highly doubtful that he'll do. just making political points you know the american electoral campaign has already begun we're going to have to suffer through it for the next eighteen months and so everything becomes khaled you know including foreign policy but professor brennan help me understand here because for the last two years did democrats have been making political points about the miller invest. why is it not ok to lead the republicans do the same and settle die suspicions through the investigative process

because there are real issues about the the provenance of the still dots here and whether or not it was used to get five warrants etc why those issues are not serious enough to be looked into given that the last two years respond into investigating as trump likes to say and nothing burger or more nothing burger. actually trumps from francis or mcdonald's cheeseburgers. consumers. or all day long but seriously it's not the democrats who appointed mr it was it was the federal gov a. republican president with a republican attorney general with a career office in the justice department many prosecutors who have a track record of benefiting the democratic and contributing to the democratic

campaign i mean i think the republicans have also made a point that they would be have certain parts leanings no that's unfortunate i don't believe correct mr moeller him so as or always classified him so as not just a republican but a conservative republican mr khomeini has always. called him so a conservative republican mr all staying as no political allegiance whatsoever of which we know so if these people have such stellar reputations why not asking them to look into issues that a significant part of them elec american electorate is concerned about i mean i know many people on the republican side. and they do believe that it was a political hit job to appoint these pro and they do have issues with hillary clinton and her destruction of records and the use of the steel dos here and how it

was procured how it was used by the intelligence services why is that not enough to look into by somebody who you all can trust well this was looked into by the f.b.i. by the by they call me a comber is a loyal republican he's not a is not a of a court. and so this was looked and true and then the let's bear in mind we come to the dubious deal those are it's over. it's a very intricate background. and that there were people who were in both the russian saw eye and their merkins who were hustling who were trying to sort of promote them so and were offering material to both sides to the republicans on that and the democrats. and. with regard to the steel goes.

this war was involved. six in britain is mushers a does anyone in washington and this aspect of the like has really not gotten much attention just as the script paul if there is only a concoction of m i five and six was assistant well i think many russians would they grieve you on the letter character is they should now we have only a few minutes left let me ask you one thing that many here in moscow are hoping for there is a hope that the miller probe and the clearing of trump will allow him to be more flexible in his relations with russia and allow him to work with moscow on issues of global importance do you think that's likely no i think that's exaggerated. i don't see any change of any consequence whatsoever

in terms of washington's thinking of attitudes towards or policies and rigo true true russia let's bear in mind too saying there's a very strong consensus throughout the american political establishment that russia or is a dangerous hostile power which is shared by republicans and democrats on the media. and second look at mr trump's actions it's knowledge that he simply been hesitant it engaging with the mist of proof and he has confronted rush for across the board whether it has to do with nato expansion military exercises on the ploy months and. in europe whether it has to do with the breaking of all his control or grooms whether it has to do was syria in

other words mr trump has been to be has been. not at all considered dori. gold true russia and mr putin and i think that's one of the real harms of the last two years that it pathologist any efforts to improve the relations between our countries despite them being nuclear powers anyway professor brennan we have to leave it there we are out of time but i really appreciate you being with us today and sharing your perspective thank you very much for that well you're very world much appreciated the opportunity i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and. same place same time here on worlds apart.

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. by the way ways of that slide here. the headlines here on our change national the father of a russian a woman imprisoned in the u.s. for failing to register as a foreign agent says she is being treated as a pawn while her lawyer says the case was inextricably linked to the political climate in the u.s. . not of. maria's activities in the u.s. were illegal. in and of themselves but she got caught up in this answer russia has to start. signing up for the twenty first century silk road to china's belt and road forum come so close in beijing with sixty four billion dollars worth of investment agreed upon. and french.