bidding. process so basically what i'm waiting for he's an author political impulse ideally. from the moment you. come on welcome to worlds apart from twenty two months five hundred search warrants over twenty five million dollars and the worst relationship to nuclear power has had in decades that's what it used to produce a report confirming that the american president after all is not awaiting russian top that he didn't save though that the russians did not try to pull the strings if

the deed was there if not the legal down a moral right to do so well to discuss that i'm now joined by michael brown and professor emeritus of international affairs at the university of pittsburgh professor britton it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time those a pleasure to be with well it's been almost a week since the miller report was made public so i'm sure you've had the pleasure of plowing through these truly historic document is there anything in it that surprised you know we've been pretty. directions on this from all those investigation. was taking. every one was looking forward to in terms of it he was his conclusions in dimension issue often all that think we can examine the. three perspectives one

a legal perspective you know did the president commit any any crimes or offenses that congress might interpret as impeachable truth as a political impact looking forward to next year's presidential election and third is what effect in mind on relations between washington and moscow well i would actually stick to the third one and offer one more line of inquiry which is what exactly russians did or did not do because while the democrats and the republicans are still arguing over the legal definition of obstruction they are absolutely unanimous that the russian interference did occur and they were of the report in fact deeds that the russian government interference in the two thousand and sixteen election in a quote sweeping and systematic fashion is that the impression that you drew from

it sweeping and systematic no or further i must sort of disagree. with the judgment or conclusion reached by. mr amala if one sort or looks at the evidence as presented first of all very little if anything to what's already been known and pub and published. second there is almost no concrete evidence to suggest that it was the russian government itself much was the sort of from a. design that was implementing a comprehensive strategy designed to who determine the outcome of the presidential election that evidences some from. most of it is some or based upon the assumption that any russian. citizen of. consequence or wolds some o.

is close to mr putin bugged out is not substantiated but was presented in the report well i would also take issue with sweeping we know that the miller probe indicted thirteen russian nationals on conspiracy charges that's in relation to social media campaign and twelve on hacking and dumping charges can twenty five people realistically even try to sweep the election in a country of three hundred twenty seven million can be really do it in the quote systematic way though of course if we're looking at is are key and practical terms in the hypothetical way and setting aside for a moment the question as to whether there was a winning strategy no. new no american politics song and intense as a and the notion of somebody playing games at the margins of of the

election could dictate or even influence the outcome is frankly frankly absurd. food to compare russia with the states the united states has been fall or effect in influencing of the domestic politics of other countries in the us i mean where during the day and how the overt ways and venezuela. history of doing that in russia reach our whole weekend discussed but before we go there you sound a little bit skeptical about the scale of russian interference but i personally it's important to point out that the crime and denies any connection to both ways off. the operations that miller pointed out the social media can be an end to hacking but i personally find the hacking and the dumping story believe it will

because this is something that intelligence services around the world due to each other they find vulnerabilities and they exploited them what i don't understand is why would the americans expect to be treated with the kid gloves particularly by the russians because americans believe or we believe they were exceptional. or we pru all good. nobody knows how. to we're in a position and the have some kind of obligation and act to set the rules on to applause. from our own perspective and all this tendency which is really reserved in you know in a country sort of history and so definition center has become much more pronounced and so far as international affairs as concerned. with the end of the cold war and most especially the last few years you know under mr mr trump you know in terms

of hacking or surveillance electronic surveillance don't forget we know know that they enter say. you know applying electronic surveillance to national leaders. or on the world including the chancellor merkel in germany that was made evident substantiated in the wiki leaks release is five five years ago and i assume eve the american intel had stumbled upon evidence of putin's wrongdoing they would not hesitate to release it would they know ordered i would simply be a practical calculation of whether it was seen to be the advantage of. you know of washington i said we want to. point all the. personal and all woods of was of cause is limited but they do have some indirect knowledge in fact this has

been made public and there are very technically conversant people experts who have worked in the national security agency including a former technical director of the security security agency who are version that the forensic evidence makes it clear that there was no hacking that instead someone within their agency downloaded those files and pass pass them on and that has never been refuted and this is also that we kill leaks also alleges now the military port specifically states that in the view of the investigators russia perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and that's why it worked to secure that outcome do you agree with that assessment that. russia would be counting on trauma more than it would be hoping to discount mrs clinton were let's let's be down to hours of this you have

two people running for the presidency and. one mrs clinton has called mr putin the new hitler the other is making considered dettori noises of his ability to cooperate or at least to engage with with mr putin for whatever reason it wasn't based in on mr trump sort of serious systematic assessment but who many k.'s that's what he was say so if that's the choice is. that it's evident the do whatever profer and any reasonable rational person would have. for folks what you do about it or don't do and what effect you might lose a surfer questions well i think there's also

a very specific russian context here because for the russians the clintons have come to you a pizza mob actually interference i mean it's not a secret that bill clinton worked very hard to get boris yeltsin elected as russian president in ninety nine to six sending his aides to moscow trashing the i'm asked for a ten billion dollar loan hillary clinton also made her preferences known they had of the two thousand and twelve elections when you consider all that clinton's history with russia didn't they legitimized luxury all interference long ago by the only example but yes you said a president. but that is something more american political elite tends to ignore and goes back to this notion which is very deeply rooted and ever can psyche you know to states being exceptional and having the true things and to judge of those.

not or to understand they have to produce fully to their merkin psyche and it becomes more a matter of psychology an ounce of all of the politics but it is a fact that a lot of the north united states behave set precedence for other country and legitimate as it is not a motion that's problem of it and the thinking of let's call it the political class in a row in washington that is an unfortunate reality of the situation but it's not only about the american public opinion it's also about. what people in other parts of the world think because i. i mean it is the paradox of the american power that the american president has a much broader foreign policy discretion to a fact lives. of people in other countries than in his own country

mrs clinton if elected she would her actions would have a much greater bearing on my life or people in syria than dan merica ends and i just wonder what is the you know of the appropriate the legitimate the way all of you know voicing the concern about these kind of literature because she does have a very very long and i would say very destructive track record it's very rare for a foreign policy issue war determine a national presidential election it's almost always domestic issues of one kind or another. shape the debate and influence how people vote second there tends to be a ted there is a tendency. to give the president a free. to do what he wishes to do and.

domestically some of this is legal constitutional some of it is institutional. some of it has to do with the fact simply that there is more consensus generally speaking on foreign policy matters then there is on on domestic matter no that's certainly true today and most specifically in every gawd true true russia and always this image of russia as a hostile power is pervasive in the states again for a river ride ever of a sort of complex reasons well professor brown and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. welcome

to max keiser plentiful survival guide. looking forward to. yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain. you watch kaiser report. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is often scary dramatic development only going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and tom.

welcome back to worlds apart with michael brown and professor emeritus of international affairs at the university of pittsburgh professor brennan just before the break we were talking about how. i think there were legitimate upper hand ssion about the kind of flip issue of that secretary clinton could have presented to the world not to that americans but to the world especially dealing with her policy record in libya and syria but i think we may never know the full details of how those decisions were made because the clinton camp intentionally destroyed a lot of electronic records without ever facing the abstraction of justice charges do you think she has anything to worry about now that mr trump has been cleared. no you know she does a history. at this point. you know i

should bear in mind that was true va at the conclusion of the model report was a dead been no collusion between mr trump and his immediate associates on the russian government you know most of those meetings and to do with trump's real estate dealings and of a business activities involve involving russia. but what he's been cleared of blood in effect concluded that there probably wasn't structural obstruction of justice there was a good deal of evidence the love it occurred but the frame for pressing the muddle he lay on the grounds that you cannot indict a sitting american president no we should say that's not constitutional it is not in the law or it is simply customary practice all policy or or or

understanding that means it's up to the congress whether it wants to take that evidence and make it the basis for impeachment that's not going to occur of oh there's no appetite for the tenseness republicans control the senate. it's a closed question what it would i don't understand is that how you keep your how you can accuse somebody of obstructing justice when there is no underlying crime because it's very clear from the miller reported that chomped and people around him received what was going on be the probe as a great injustice to him and in retrospect i wonder you should actually be credited for exercising restraint rather than trying to obstruct what seems to be a political injustice i mean there is no underlying crime how can he abstract or you can you can obstruct the process the legal process whatever its outcome.

in other words the obstruction of justice bill interfering with an investigation is a crime. and so though could be legal but if if mr trump or an ordinary citizen. would be legitimate legal basis for pursuing him. prosecuting him and seeking in and for obstruction of justice now that issue has been raised by some of the republicans but i believe from what i understand that's really a specious issue and rudy doesn't have any legal standing but if the concern is really so much with the with the process we know from n.b.c. reports that the clinton camp did everything they accuse trump all they relied on

the for in their it's you against compromising information on him they handed out compromising in fraudulent material to the media and to the intelligence agencies they destroyed records i mean they destroyed their phones and their e-mail records isn't dr worth looking into for the sake of democracy and the equal equal treatment before a lawyer if nothing else there is but that's politics that's not law or potential is sort of criminality in other words the points the moeller may the heading of obstruction of justice refer to his investigation and other. in other words a sump lot simply a question of the games you play or the dubious actions you take true to influence the political process and that's was very often as was the case with richard nixon forty five years ago it's one of how open is

a once a legal process has begun and that often leads to acts of criminality and sends people to. rather than the original action of initiated the process in the first place the u.s. attorney general william barr already pledged to investigate the the origins of the f.b.i. counterintelligence investigation into russia and there is a suspicion that they may be another collusion the collusion between the democrats and the intelligence services if proven how big of a deal it's going to be for a demo public it's a big deal if there were any truth to it but this is a propaganda campaign mr ball i don't think is just. an agent of mr trump he was just a point to a few months ago after

a long interviews with mr trump and on a fact he has throughout this process in a quite disgraceful fashion as a spokesman for for the white house he has no credibility in the minds of anyone but republican partisan but i suppose it's well it's not going to be him personally looking into that if he were to appoint somebody like let's say robert miller again to investigate another killer collusion do you think that would have more credence in your eyes no i think at the end of the day. highly doubtful that he'll do. just making political points you know the american electoral campaign has already begun we're going to have to suffer through it for the next eighteen months and so everything becomes khaled you know including foreign policy but professor brennan help me understand here because for the last two years did democrats have been

making political points about the miller investigation why is it not ok to lead the republicans do the same and settle die suspicions through the. investigative process because there are real issues about the the provenance of the still dos here and whether or not it was used to get fives or warrants etc why those issues are not serious enough to be looked into given that the last two years respond into investigating as likes to say and nothing burger or. nothing burger. actually trumps francis or mcdonald's cheeseburgers. consumers. or all day long and i seriously. love the democrats who appointed mr it was it was the federal government under republican president with

a republican attorney general with a career office in the justice department many prosecutors who have a track record of benefiting the democratic and contributing to the democratic campaign i mean i think the republicans have also made a point that they would be had certain parts leanings no the unfortunate i don't believe correct mr mo him so as or always classified him so as not just a republican but a conservative republican mr khomeini has always. called him so conservative republican mr all sting has no political allegiance whatsoever of which we know so if these people have such stellar reputations why not asking them to look into issues that a significant part of them elec merican electorate is concerned about i mean i know

many people on the republican side and they do believe that it was a political hit job to appoint these pro and they do have issues with hillary clinton and her destruction of records. the use of the steel dossier and how it was procured how it was used by the intelligence services why is that not enough to look into by somebody who you all can trust well this was looked into by by the f.b.i. by the by they call me a comber is a loyal republican he's not a he's not a democrat. and so this was looked and true and then the let's bear in mind we come to the dubious deal those are it's over. it's a very intricate back wound. and that there were people who were in both the russian side and the americans who were hustling who were trying to

sort of promote them so and while offering material to both sides to the republicans on that and the democrats. and. with regard to the steel goes. this war was involved. six in britain is mushers a did anyone in washington and this aspect of the affair like as really not gotten much attention just as the script ball affair is only a concoction of m i five and six was a assistance while i think many russians were they grieve you on the letter characterization now we have only a few minutes left let me ask you one thing that many here in moscow are hoping for there is a hole but that the miller probe and the clearing of trump will allow him to be

more flexible in his relations with russia and allow him to work with moscow on issues of global importance do you think that's likely no i think that's exaggerated. i don't see any change of any consequence whatsoever in terms of washington's thinking of attitudes towards or policies and rigo true true russia let's bear in mind too saying there's a very strong consensus throughout the american political establishment that russia or is a dangerous hostile power which is shared by republicans and democrats on the media. and second look at mr trump's actions it's knowledge that he simply been hesitant it engaging with the mr putin he has confronted

rush for across the board whether it has to do with nato expansion military exercises on the ploy months and. in europe whether it has to do with the breaking of all these control agreements whether it has to do was syria another words from mr trump as been have been has been. not at all considered tori who is in the gold true russia and mr putin and i think that's one of the real harms of the last two years that a pathologist any efforts to improve the relations between our countries despite them being nuclear powers anyway professor brennan we have to leave it there we are out of time but i really appreciate you being with us today and sharing your perspective thank you very much for that well you're very welcome on much appreciated the opportunity i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here on

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