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tv   Sophie Co  RT  April 29, 2019 9:30am-10:01am EDT

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giving political guidance to process so basically what i'm eating for is an alter political impulse ideally stemming from the moment so let's talk about normal for in a bit but before that i want to talk about the possible u.n. peacekeepers arriving in ukraine. before the elections in ukraine then president poroshenko said that this could be solved an agreement could be reached on us peace peacekeepers arriving to ukraine as early as may we're doing it this year do you think that idea is still feasible but i always. defend the position if peace operation the u.n. peace operation even such as the joint un always see. if. it was to get out of the political impasse of implementing demeans agreements go for it go for it. what we have seen is the proposals for an
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operation the for so masterfully. from a very simple. peacekeeping operation. very traditional if you sign. a comprehensive. peace operation. i write a figure of twenty thousand. men. and as long as the half. concepts that differ so widely will not half basis to negotiate the u.n. security council resolution so basically as long as there is not more of a common understanding of the scope of such an operation even multiplied so i want to get your point of the on how that shit sort of take place russia wants to be in peacekeepers on a front line protecting the stuff he crane once again peacekeepers on its borders
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that was russia. where do you think they should be but i think the desire. issue is dos the u.n. operation serve to implement the means agreements if it dos i think could eventually be from pulsations i think it would be a matter of sequencing. to build up an operation a linking meet its progress in implementing the political provisions of the means agreements so i think it will be doable but i think. the basis be the means agreements and if there is an attempt to. bypass. if that were to happen you don't have to rely on its members to provide troops and we have like
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a very delicate situation when it comes to ukraine a lot of interests are involved which countries do you think should contribute to the u.n. mission in ukraine so that no one is really playing being biased i think there has been there's a tradition in u.n. peace operations not to engage troops off states that have a direct stake even in a crisis or in a conflict and this would certainly also apply here. so you would have to focus on the number of states that are. not. directly stakeholders off the crisis i think again depending on the size of such an operation. diesel to be doable. not there yet the first i think you need to come to a much more common understanding. of the scope of such an operation and then i
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think the next question. then b. who would contribute troops but no matter the scope of the peacekeeping mission it will have to be decided by the security council that this is clear do you think that at this point security council is getting more involved in the whole affair. if. pursued this option of a peace operation yes. at the same time i think it would be wise to keep you always closely involved. for obvious reasons the been working in this context for the last five years. you know we will have a lot to offer basically be half of all civilian components of a peace operation. to bring in. and this is also by the half. the possibility of a joint un always see operation but again i would caution we're not there yet so
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the new leader ukrainian leaders. that normandy for maybe needs to be expanded maybe america and united kingdom should also be part of that what do you think there are two opinions that this would actually make it even more chaotic and bury the whole thing there's thing that it will break the new life. the clearly are in dire need of a new political impulse. to get implementation of the means agreements moving bodies for sure now. impulse come from. before. i thought for me the obvious. what. would you associate. additional important stakeholders to the mediation formant. i'm not sure what i'm sure of that. we come to
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a solution. on the day forward to. the needs of all major stakeholders speech and such a solution including of course the united states of america. but i don't think they should be part of the extending these opt to the normandy for two days i want to have as an idea that's just a proposal that's floating around just as an idea do you think it could help when you know the implications you know the relations between u.k. and russia united states and russia do you think bringing them together at the same table could actually help the crisis or on the contrary. certainly need both the u.s. and u.k. . to to block a forward however of a forward looking look like if. the two states should be part of the mediation
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format the sox i'm not sure it might complicate matters but again these. are defined in every conflict resolution process. mediators are chosen by the sites and they need to feel comfortable to mediate yours you've also pointed out a couple of times that there's not enough. political will even care to implement the minsk agreements now we have a new leader i think. he's like a man from the people maybe he doesn't have experience of his predecessor in politics but you know he's widely regarded as someone who would bring upon change in every possible field do you think was which we can hope that the agreements could move forward well i've been saying is knocked off the political will to implement the main screens full stop and it does implies to all sides.
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obviously i do hope after. conclusion of the presidential selection. presidential election process in ukraine. we will get and we in polls. i think it's very difficult to to speculate about the new president's positions. we'll see. but clearly i think there is an opportunity for a new beginning dairies and all but you want to be for peace i need it political impulses to move forward to for resolving the crisis so right now conflict is five years old jihad consider any frozen conflict like that and not going to go to battle returns ministry you. know it's clearly not
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a frozen complex i mean there is people dying practically on the on the on a daily basis. that there is. there are ceasefire. burying between a few hundred and. two thousand and there are two and a half thousand recently. so this is very hot conflict it. also creates a lot of human suffering and so for me this is far from a frozen conflict so if it were to become a frozen conflicts like the ones that i cited earlier would consider it as a success or failure. but you know we always see. i can do what it is mandated to do by its participating states if your mandate to.
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take. has been the case reached the special monitoring mission to ukraine it's. fascinating to drive all contact group. we can do so. and the same goes for instance for the. i think he's been fairly successful in preventing. further escalations in making sure the local cease fire. will not escalate the war not spin out of control cause or they take a break right now our back will continue talking to thomas graham and secretary general of. talking about ukraine and reform materialization stay with us.
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seems wrong. just don't hold. me. to shape out just being educated and engaged equals betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. you know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than
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ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. to force regime change in iran the trunking ministration risk of ending global oil markets also if you want to russians cost for being a citizen of ukraine could help. with lawmakers manufacture consent to instant of public wealth. when the ruling classes project themselves. in the final merry go round lifts only the one percent. we can
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all middle of the room signal. room i mean real news is real. this is a pretty this sort of. scenario if it's good friday. there would be someone who would need it it wasn't i go to the. moon is its ability. to get into that all you want to go to the but no none of that is that. enough well it was pretty good way to lose a. kind of a change there. which go along. with them. here or do you leave me your money. storm here so my
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look. back thomas graham heard the secretary general of the oh i see how this went away about because. see i see also has a mission there kosovo is considering. shape their security forces to. full fledged army of course thinks is very dangerous it could start a new conflict what do you think. of course concerning to. let's say the de very on the even. peace and stability in the best and balkans.
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states. lately. in a quite impressive very. i think for instance off the price. of those macedonian i think their. behalf manage the international community but also in the political leaders managed to create. and island off appealing i'm very disappointed that they're totally stock of anything comes to the bad guys british and i lock in i think all every progress in terms off culpable they. they need to they depend. the stock process and there have been a number of factors. brought this process to
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a standstill my son why do you know you mention your question is very simple do you think a former r.v. in kosovo is a good idea or not clearly at this point in time it's not helpful. to say obviously it also goes for one hundred percent tire hippo's. both sides kosovo and serbia are playing with their idea of this land swap but then european union says it's a very bad idea and if that were to happen that would open pandora's box what do you think what more do with what if they could actually help bridge the divide between pristina and belgrade what do your organization support that idea of land swap i think we're. there is for the time being this idea has been that these guys the two presidents. have been formalized official eyes be can only guess what they've been talking about feel
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like for them it's more real than for the europeans because i recently spoke to the serbian prime minister and yes you're right there are no concrete agreements on it but they're thinking about it more seriously than one might think. that were to happen would you support that look i had to soften off talking beats most presidents over recent months and i agree i think there were serious proposals being discussed. at the same time i would also argue not to be haven't seen. entire proposals both presidents have told us and the. salt is only one. of a comprehensive. package and as long as we don't see this comprehensive package i think it's difficult to take
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a serious position on it well i would do what i would say is if the two. states come to a deal to arrange also agree to. i think. eventually. we will have to accept it. i want to talk about the general state of things and how they're looking right now so i want so i would have fresh as last oct twenty eighth . and they said we have nato. do you think this is what is going to be from now on and calm response and big military exercises this is our world of today it is the thoughts the pattering seen. over the last three four years. of course of worrying picture in. the o.e.c.d. takes it is. of course one hundred percent
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normal you conduct military military exercises police notified them. notify them also be loath to foremost threshold that needs to be notified to courting to the vienna document be careful when it comes to snap exercises again as much transparency as possible. be careful the closer to the border. these clearly wall message. or giving. the message i think is we need to. focus more into the prevention incident management you know we have launched this structured stock process has all these abating states on politi community military matters again for the last two years i think it's
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a promising formant. more the discuss issues of. military reask manage to meet a geisha and. drones parents see. strengthening existing competence and could see. building measures in order to. prevent. miscalculations accidents potentially could spin out of control some potentially potential talk about potential accidents while six states are apparently police in concerned the russian threat and they're very happy every time nato conducts their drills on their territory as this obviously gets on the nerves of the russians it's like a never ending story but since you're going to mission is actually early conflict prevention do you see a serious conflict potential there. you see i think the threat perceptions need
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to be taken seriously and this is. while most of reasons why we launched this structure. to allow participating states to come together and share strength perceptions. i think it's only by getting a better sense of what's right and the other side. we can gradually rebuild trust in college who do come here all the time not just part of their western well right you know their reality on the ground here just as much as you know with the reality on the ground there do you feel your take threats should be taken seriously do you think there is a potential it's absolutely irrelevant to how i feel about it here. you know as you say take. these what matters office actions perceptions by participating states and because perceptions also
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shape reality so. if a participating state. consistent threat perception. i think needs to be taken into account. responses and i think these. need. to. change and to better understand and i think there is also a need for more. readiness more empathy to try to understand the author if you want to progress and if you want to come out of this very polarized very antagonistic environment the operating currently do you like your organization in today's world has enough tools of influence too actually. solve the problems that it is facing because it was created
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it's a cold war child why it was created when america you know u.s.s.r. where there had set off and yes there was a potential conflict threat that was real and that was a real threat to europe then i mean right now as much as america and russia aren't liking each other their relationship is definitely not a threat to european union or europe as a whole europe is definitely facing other threats i don't know like terrorism populists hackers climate change immigration you name it but this is nothing compared to the threat that it was facing before. when the cold war was on did you know maybe you were going to say she needs of fundamental reform the answer will be of course every organisation needs to be constantly reform. needs to respond to challenges. needs to make sure
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its leaders provide. convincing answers to the challenges. off today and indeed we are facing. new challenges. in my address to moscow security conference for instance. that can all rapid technological change artificial intelligence etc this is going to bring lots of which i'll inches in terms of security but the same time i will argue the always see a fantastic toolbox developed over the time since the. top to the helsinki nine hundred seventy five when it comes to. fossilize dating dialo you always see. forms inclusive platforms for dialogue
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on offer. mediation formats for conflicts but that is all i think it's not a matter of the toolbox are they effective enough those platforms i'll tell you i'm asking because what we've seen lately is for instance i don't know you have the normandy for for ukraine solving the problem you have a group for sea or air you have p five plus one for iran deal so this makeshift diplomatic formats right now are more effective than anything that un can do because people stopped long stopped looking at united nations as a platform that decides anything or solves any problems for most of the people i know here running away as you know that nation's right now is like a pointless platform where people can lash of each other. do you feel like people have trust in your organization as a problem or do you think it's effective enough. but there's a bidding states. even more frequently instruments
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tools to be offered to them by the end of the day it is up to the political commitment of participating states to you. form that you offer. conflict management tool do you offer. i think it will be can do is make sure these tools are smart. they're op to current challenges. you need political resolve if you want to move ahead thank you so much thomas for this interview and good luck with everything thank you so much thank you thank you were into a sword you always see.
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when lawmakers manufacture consent to steam to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the financial merry go round lifters only the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. i mean real news real world. they can come and blow our brains out at any given time and we can't really do
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anything actually america is the only country in the world where you can kill people. war illegally get away with. all the fire crawls still berea all the trouble here's the fail the point it's hollow flame the k.k.k. exists because america wants it to exist they are the biggest terrorist group to ever operate in this country and they're dead to me they're worse off than the people who destroyed the world trade centers of the scroll while. my seven years doing drugs my nephews was still in drugs my sister's with doing drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse he started going after the. users in
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a prison population. we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill. the war on drugs. there are countless numbers of people who are in prison for. a long sentence for minor minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say by day. this is just it doesn't get easier. let.
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