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a report. welcome to. change of leadership in ukraine has spurred hope for a dialogue between moscow and kiev can this crisis be stopped from becoming a frozen conflict or is it too late to talk about this here today with me is thomas graham heard the secretary general of. the new multi-polar world is fraught with danger and potential conflict trios looks even in we'll see i'm stable europe will be diverging interests of twenty first century trigger wars in regions where it never seems possible before what makes international organizations like the west see the influence existing conflicts and just deal with the results.

in the future. secretary general of it's really great to have on our show it's the first time you're on my show so then very happy to have you as a guest and have lots to discuss let's start of with ukraine i know that you've been saying they are going to say she could serve as an honest broker between russia and ukraine but the two countries have been at odds for like five years now why do you think that your organization has enough clout to actually push moscow in kids to a great three. they've been. pretty good in monitoring the crisis in iraq over the last five years i think we managed to prevent further escalation off the. the and banks special monitoring mission to ukraine i think you also made a major difference for the people on the ground in terms of fossil.

of silence for human turn ever. again make sure that medians of people have walter electricity electricity gas and cetera but obviously. monitoring of the conflict is not enough to move closer to resolving the conflict and there i think you always see haass some tools for for instance the group that meets on a body clean basis in minsk. of all five signatories often means. around the table and i think this is a platform. much more. effective pretty. neat a political impulse that needs to come. from. but ideally to normandy for. the has been. giving political guidance to process so basically what i'm eating for is an author political impulse

ideally stemming from the moment so let's little talk about normal for in a bit but before that i want to talk about the possible u.n. peacekeepers arriving in ukraine. before the elections and ukraine then president poroshenko said that this could be solved an agreement could be reached on us peace peacekeepers arriving to ukraine as early as may we're doing it this year do you think that idea is still feasible that i always. defend the position if peace operation or un peace operation even such as the joint un always see. if these allows this to get out of the political support. demeans agreements go for it go for it. what we have seen is the proposals in operation the for so masterfully.

from a very simple. peacekeeping operation. very traditional if you sign. a comprehensive. peace operation. i write a figure of twenty thousand. men. and as long as the half. concepts that differ so widely will not half as basis to negotiate the u.n. security council resolution so basically as long as there is not more of a common understanding of the scope of such an operation. to fly so i want to get your point of the on how that shit sort of take place russia wants to be in peacekeepers on a front line protecting the stuff he crane once again peacekeepers on its borders that was russia. where do you think they should be but i think the desire.

issue is dos the u.n. operation serve to implement the means agreements if it dos i think he could eventually be from pulsations i think it would be a matter of sequencing. to build up an operation and linking meet its progress in implementing the political provisions of the means agreement so i think it will be doable but i think. the basis be the means agreements and if there is an attempt to. bypass. if that were to happen you don't have to rely on its members to provide troops and we have like a very delicate situation when it comes to ukraine a lot of interests are involved which countries do you think should contribute to

the u.n. mission in ukraine so that no one is really playing and being biased i think there has been there's a tradition in u.n. peace operations not to engage troops off states that have a direct stake even in a crisis or in a conflict and this would certainly also apply here. so you would have to focus on the number of states that are. not. directly stakeholders off the crisis i think again depending on the size of such an operation. diesel to be doable. and not there yet first i think you need to come to a much more common understanding. of the scope of such an operation and then i think the next question. then b. who would contribute troops but no matter the scope of the peacekeeping mission it

will have to be decided by the security council that this is clear do you think that at this point security council is getting more involved in the whole affair. if. this option of a peace operation and yes. at the same time i think it would be wise to keep. closely involved. for obvious reasons they've been working in this context for the last five years. we know we. have a lot to offer basically you have all civilian components of a peace operation. to bring in. and this is also by the have hinted at a possibility of a joint un always see operation but again i would caution we're not there yet so the new leader ukrainian leaders has said that normandy for maybe needs to be

expanded maybe america and united kingdom should also be part of it what do you think there are two opinions that this would actually make it even more chaotic and bury the whole thing there's thing that i will pray the new life. the clearly are in dire need of a new political impulse. to get implementation of the means agreements moving bodies for sure now. impulse come from. refer to a moment. before. i thought for me the obvious. what . would you associate. additional important stakeholders to the mediation formant. i'm not sure what i'm sure of. the come to a solution. of

a forward to. the needs of all major stakeholders speech and such a solution including of course the united states of america. but i don't think they should be part of the extending these opt to the normandy for two days i don't have as an idea it's just a proposal that's floating around just as an idea do you think it could help when you know the implications you know the relations between u.k. and russia united states and russia do you think bringing them together at the same table could actually help the crisis or on the contrary. certainly need both the u.s. and u.k. . to tupac. forward however the way forward then we look look like if. the two states should be part of the mediation format the socks i'm not sure even complicate matters but again these are. defined

in every conflict resolution process. mediators are chosen by the sites and they need to feel comfortable to mediate yours you've also pointed out a couple of times that there's not enough. political will in care to inclement they mean and now we have a new leader i didn't originally and. his like a man from the people maybe he doesn't have experience of his predecessor in politics but you know he's widely regarded as someone who would bring upon change in every possible field do you think was him which we can hope that the agreements could move forward well i've been saying he's knocked off political will to implement the means greens full stop and it does implies to all sides.

obviously i do hope after. conclusion of the presidential selection. presidential election process in ukraine. we will get it and we in polls. i think it's very difficult to speculate about the new president's positions. we'll see. but clearly i think there is an opportunity for a new beginning at their ease and all but you want to be for these needed political impulses to move forward to for resolving the crisis so right now conflict is five years old gee it consider any present conflict like that and not going to cut about where it turns mystery you. know it's clearly not a frozen complex i mean there is people dying practically on that on

a daily basis. that there is. barreling between a few hundred and. two thousand and there are two and a half thousand recently. so this is a very hot conflict. also creates a lot of human suffering and so. for me this is far from a frozen conflict so if it were to become a frozen conflicts like the ones that i cited earlier would consider it as a success or failure. you know would you always see. what it is mandated to do by its participating states if your mandate to.

manage a conflict. as has been the case reached the special monitoring mission to ukraine it. fascinating for dr holcomb to our group. we can do so. the same goes for instance for the knock on a cop accompli i think he's been fairly successful in preventing. further escalations in making sure that. local cease fire. will not escalate the war not spin out of control cause or they take a break right now a back we'll continue talking to thomas graham secretary general of the l.s.e. talking about ukraine the balkans and reform and they're going to stay with us.

to force regime change in iran the trunking ministration risk of ending global oil markets also if you want to russians cost for being a citizen of ukraine could help. thomas graham heard the secretary general of the oh i see how this went away about kosovo because. c c also has

a mission there kosovo is considering. shape their security forces to. full fledged army serbia of course thinks is very dangerous it could start a new conflict what do you think. the are of course concerning to. the very on the even. peace and stability in the best and balkans. states. lately. in a quite impressive. i think for instance off the price book remember. those macedonian i think their. behalf manage the international community but also in political leaders. to create. an island of stability i'm very disappointed dr totally stock very neat columns.

dialogue. i think all every progress in terms of course of all day. they need to but they depend. the stock process and there have been a number of factors. brought this process to a standstill my soon my you know you mention your question is very simple do you think a former r.v. in kosovo is a good idea or not clearly at this point in time it's not helpful and the same of obviously it also goes for one hundred percent tire hippo's. the both sides kosovo and serbia are playing with their idea of this land swap but then european union says it's a very bad idea and if that were to happen that would open pandora's box what do you think what more do with what if they could actually help bridge the divide

between pristina and belgrade with your organization support that idea of lands well. i think we're. there is for the time being at this idea has been that this guy the two presidents. and i have been formalized official eyes be can only guess what they've been talking about feel like for them it's more real than for the europeans because i recently spoke to the serbian prime minister and yes you're right there are no concrete agreements on it but they're thinking about it more seriously than one might think. that were to happen would you support that idea look i have to soften off talking beats most presidents over recent months and i do agree i think there were serious proposals being discussed. at the same time i would also argue

that to be half an. entire proposal that both presidents have told us and the. salt is only off of a comprehensive. package and as long as we don't see this comprehensive package i think it's difficult to take a serious position on it well i would do what i would say is if the two. states come to a deal to arrange also agree to. i think they will eventually. we will have to accept it. i want to talk about the general state of things and how they're looking right now so i want to say we have russia's last oct twenty i mean they said we have nato. do you think this is what is going to be from now on and calm response and big military exercises this is our world of today it is the

thoughts the pattering. seen. developing over the last three four years. of course of worrying picture in. the o.e.c.d. takes is. of course one hundred percent normal. military exercises police notified them. notified them also below the foremost threshold that needs to be notified according to the vienna document be careful when it comes to snap exercises again as much transparency as possible. be careful that the closer to the border. these clearly well message. the are giving. the message i think we need to. focus more into the

prevention and incident management you know we half launched this structure start off process. but these are big. states on politi community military matters again for the last two years. promising to forment. more the discuss issues of. military reask. geisha and. transparency. strengthening existing competence and key security building measures in order to. prevent. miscalculations accidents potentially could spin out of control some potentially potential talk about potential accidents while six states are apparently police in concerned the russian threat and they're very happy every time

nato conducts their drills on their territories to solve you think gets on the nerves of the russians it's like a never ending story but since you're going to mission is actually early conflict prevention do you see a serious conflict potential there. you see i think the threat perceptions need to be taken seriously and this is. while most of reasons why we launched this structure. to allow participating states to come together and share strength perceptions. i think it's only by getting a better sense of what's right and. we can gradually rebuild trust and call to do come here all the time and not just part of the western well right you know their reality on the ground here just as much as you know with the reality on the ground there do you feel your take threats should

be taken seriously do you think there is a potential it's absolutely irrelevant to how i feel about it here. you know he's safe there. walt rodgers office actions perceptions by participating states and because at the end perceptions also shape reality so. if a participating state. consistent threat perception i think needs to be taken into account. responses and i think these. need. to. each change and to better understand and i think. readiness to more empathy to try to understand the author if you want to progress and if you

want to come out of this very polarized very and they're going to stick in my mind the operating currently do you like your organization in today's world has enough tools of influence too actually. solve the problems that it is facing because it was created it's a cold war child it was created when america you know u.s.s.r. where there had and yes there was a potential conflict threat that was real and that was a real threat to europe then i mean right now as much as america and russia aren't liking each other their relationship is definitely not a threat to european union or europe as a whole europe is definitely facing other threats i don't know like terrorism populists hacker's climate change immigration you name it but this is nothing compared to the threat that it was facing before. when the cold war was on do you

know maybe your organization needs of fundamental reform the answer will be of course every organisation needs to be constantly reform. needs to respond to challenges. needs to make sure its leader provides. convincing on service to the challenges. off today and indeed we are facing. new challenges. in my address to moscow security conference for instance. that can all rapid technological change artificial intelligence etc this is going to bring lots of which i'll inches in terms of security but the same time i will argue the always see a fantastic toolbox developed over the time since the.

top to the helsinki nine hundred seventy five when it comes to. dating dialogue you always see. forms inclusive platform for dialogue on offer. mediation formats for conflicts so i think it's not a matter of the toolbox are they effective enough those platforms i'll tell you i'm asking because what we've seen lately is for instance i don't know you have the normandy for for ukraine solving the problem you have asked on our group for say rarely have p five plus one for iran deal so this makeshift diplomatic formats right now are more effective than anything that un can do because people stopped long stopped looking at united nations as a platform that decides anything or solves any problems for most of the people i know here running away as you know that nation's right now is like

a pointless platform where people can lash of each other. do you feel like people have trust in your organization as a problems or do you think it's effective enough i would but there's a bidding states. even more frequently instruments tools we offer to them by the end of the day it is up to the political really the commitment of participating states to use. platform to be all for. conflict management tool to offer. i think it will be can do is make sure these tools are smart. they're op to current challenges. you need political resolve if you want to move ahead thank you so much thomas for this interview and

good luck with everything thank you so much thank you thank you were in the always see. oh my god oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh well we could go no we right. now oh. oh oh oh oh. oh oh oh oh oh oh i. know what the race oh oh oh oh oh oh my.

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